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17 hours ago, Toon4Thought said:

I sure hope Equestria Girls does get a grand finale that addresses this as others suggested, because I think there's just so many things in EqG that deserve finality, this being one of them.

I even have an idea in mind that I'm probably going to turn into a fanfic. You can thank @cmarston1for originally thinking up the basics of it.

  One thing about the series ending is that the fan fic can take off.  When Star Trek went off the air the fan fic became so good and numerous that the best of it was collected and published in book form.  I can see the same thing happening with MLP.

I think we should remember that we've seen very little of the human world that hold Canterlot High.  It's a planet after all, and magic may exist in various corners of it.  In Friendship Games we saw that Twilight didn't discount the idea of magic being behind everything going on, nor did Cinch.  Neither of them -especially the human Twilight who is a scientist- that magic does not exist.  The difference may be that Equestrian Magic is like an invasive species of plant, one without the natural checks and balances that exist for native magic.  Equestria has magic all over the place and it's not chaotic (Discord aside), but it's taken for granted like any natural resource.

As for putting kids in danger... I would have loved for magical danger to replace the physical danger I went through in high school.  Give me a monster plant from another dimension anytime rather than the monsters who roamed the halls where I went to school.

Sunset I think.  She's the most intriguing, being born in another world and another body and her brush with the darkest part of herself.  Human Twilight comes close to that as well, but she was still born human.

On 10/11/2018 at 8:44 PM, Toon4Thought said:

That's a pretty good way of looking at it, actually. Personally, I would prefer they more regularly have 11 or 22-minute stories, since the majority of the season 1 shorts felt like they weren't able to be fleshed out enough to be anything substantial (Overpowered and Last Day of School are two good examples). Yeah, there are specials, but it feels like going from one extreme to another. Forgotten Friendship used the run-time near perfectly, but Rollercoaster of Friendship was basically a 22-minute plot with random shorts thrown in, which really showed in that special's pacing.

However, the way you praise the short format does make me look at them more positively. Maybe they should have just as many 11-minute stories as shorts, with them essentially alternating between the two, along with the occasional special?

The slice of life stuff tends to be what drags me into EqG as well, since it allows them to really show how different the Mane Six's lives would be as humans. Though I do want Sunset's ties to Equestria to be explored more in the future; I still argue it's not too late to do a story with her possibly becoming homesick. Surely she ends up like that at some point with how vastly different her new life is compared to her old one.

  I'd like to see some focus on her early days and how she adjusted to life as a human.  Flashbacks would be good.

2 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said:

They've done pretty well so far. I think the girls' relative immaturity gives them wiggle room to reconstruct those characters in ways which are familiar but subtly different, and the different context of their lives can provide room for morals which don't fit the mane six's lives anymore. Though I'd prefer just a handful of one-off 22-minute specials to a full series; the current short format is working just fine for me. 

  In a way they are faced with the Star Trek problem.  DS9 could not be Next Generation, Voyager could not be DS9 or Next Generation.

One problem is how do you do an Equestria Girls' series without copying a lot of the stuff that's already been done in MLP?  The characters are basically the same, albeit in different bodies.  There are of course differences between Equestria and Earth and the characters ages and circumstances, but how do you take that and make it original?  The human Twilight can not be put into the same situations as the pony Twilight, (I don't think King Sombra, T-reck or any of the villains could show up at CHS without someone in the government noticing),  They could move everyone into college but again it wouldn't be quite the same.  If it is going to succeed Equestria Girls has to be it's own show.

6 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Huh, it’s been on Hasbro’s official YouTube channel for months now. Guess you’ve got more choices now.

 Not with the bandwidth I can afford plus my old computer.  Youtube can come out broken up a lot.

6 hours ago, Dabmanz said:

I have not seen this yet from what I searched one of the writers said it takes place just before the Mlp movie?

  I think so, I'm hoping they'll get the movie.

Which means I can watch it again.  Had to downshift the cable last year and haven't been able to watch MLP since.  

Midnight Sparkle's main drive was curiosity, not power.  That makes her more intriguing to me.  She didn't want to conquer Equestria, she just wanted to learn about magic.  Who knows where that would have gone.

Out there I know, but I had to downsize my cable system a while back and lost MLP, but gained Disney (and saved enough money for food, very important in my calculations, also I hope that Netflix will pick up the season that I am missing), and I've been enjoying the Ducktales reboot (David Tenent and Catherine Tate have a lot of fun with the voices).  I wondered how Sunset ,who herself comes from a world where ponies and other animals have intelligence, would view a show like Ducktales or any of the other animals-as-human-like, especially as the friendship between Webby and Lena very much showcases the friendship is magic dynamic.  You could have pulled Lena's actions in the finale from an episode of MLP.  

I thought it was nice at the end when Spike hops on Twilight's back and Twilight pointed out that she doesn't have to carry him anymore.  That is a good way of saying that their relationship will be changing as he grows older.

Bearing in mind that we still don't know where Spike actually came from and what type of dragon he is I think this worked.  I thought Twilight's reaction a bit off, but from her point of view Spike was a fire hazard and there are lot of books around.  I can easily see how Spike or Twilight wouldn't have heard of this from Ember or Smolder as puberty is more often mocked in society then take seriously and it's never really discussed openly.  That would go double for a society like the dragons.  I get the feeling that the male dragons are kicked out, but are allowed back in once the molting passed.  Sort of like a walkabout test of maturity.

What nearly everyone thinks of me: He's a bit odd, but harmless.

On 3/16/2018 at 4:27 PM, Denim&Venom said:

Probably because Sunset Shimmer has told them how much of a horror show Equestria truly is. 

The vast majority of monsters, demons and deities from the mythos of the human world are very real in Equestria. 

Dragons, Changelings, Sirens, Manticores, Chimeras, Plant Monsters, Centaur, Hydras, Giant Eels, The Cerberus, and literal Tarturus, the pit of lost souls where the gods of death reside. Not to mention things they can't even imagine, like crocodiles made of rock, wolves made of wood, bears made of stars, ponies made of darkness, and whatever the buck Discord is.

Not to mention all the magic and curses that exist. There's a real possibility that you can be turned to stone, sent to the orbiting moon, banished out of reality, have your memories and emotions cursed, get possessed by books, amulets, and sentient darkness or imprisoned in literal hell. 

Plus there's no wi-fi. 

So why would any of them want to risk their lives and sanity to visit the love child world of Tolkien and Lovecraft again? 

  Sounds like a good spot for a vacation to me   I'd take battling demons over wrestling with a 1040 form any day.

Spike can talk and now has human level of intelligence, or is at least as smart as Spike the dragon who'd able to read and right.  There's a lot to explore here even in the limited setting of the show's format.  For instance if he got lost would he ask someone for directions or be too scared too.  The students at CHS don't seem to find much strange about a talking dog (but as Spike said a talking dog is not really crazy if you go on everything else that is going on),  but I can imagine many others would.  His relationship with Twilight...  Now that he can talk does he take on the role that Spike the dragon does?  That of an assistant/housekeeper/confidant or something else.  When you come right down to it Spike isn't a full dog anymore, but he's not human either.  How long before the essential parts of a dogs life -sleeping, chasing squirrels...- become boring too him?  Will he immerse himself in tv?  The internet?  Books?

I've got no way to see it right now, but if I start watching season 8 would I miss too much or spoil to much from the movie?

It could also explain why Sunset Shimmer had no trouble slipping into the CHS world.  Maybe the place she's living is owned by the Shimmers.  

In the ancient days when I was watching Saturday morning cartoons one of the staples of shows was of kids getting lost in other worlds and trying to find their way back home.  From the Hanna Barbara's Shazan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazzan , The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Adventures_of_Huckleberry_Finn and Josie and the Pussycats in outer Space http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068088/ all the way up to the Dungeons and Dragons http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085011/ , the theme of each show was getting home somehow.  It would be interesting to have a show featuring the human Sunset wandering around Equestria trying to find a way back to Earth.  It'd have to be far from the known lands of Equestria and she'd have had to stumble through an unknown portal since going through the one we all know would have put her into Celestia's castle.  This could also explain where her parents are, not knowing that she's in another world they could be searching the world of CHS to find her.

On 3/23/2018 at 12:44 PM, Hierok said:

Maybe we see that human almost every episode. 

Pinki has a special relationship with reality

I was thinking about this after Forgotten Friendship.  We've now at had at least 5 beings from Equestria go through the portal and at least 4 of them have stayed.  If anyone from the human world used a similar type of portal or the same portal would we even know about them?  Maybe a student from CHS wandered through the portal, or fell through during Friendship Games and just decided to stay and blend into the background, much as Sunset Shimmer decided to stay in the world of CHS.  Euqestria could have a transformed human wandering around and no one would know.

The main problem with EG is that they've taken the characters and limited them.  In Equestria these characters have taken on major foes, Discord, Changlings, T-Rec... none of which can have the equivalent in the CHS world.  In Equestria the cast can go anywhere in that world, in the world of CHS they don't have that freedom (except for Sunset the others all have parents) so you are stuck with high school stories.  That can work, but only on a limited basis.  I'm amazed that no parent showed up after the first two demon transformations and the Dazzlings attack.  A battle like the one she had with T-rec would take out a few city blocks at least and that wouldn't be so easy to ignore.   Equestria is a land of open adventure, the world of CHS is high school.  

  By the way, I miss WITCH.

I wonder what the Dazzling's called it.

I think that the inhabitants of that world -like us- would just call it Earth.  After all except for a very few it's the only world they know.  For myself I've been calling it the CHS world.

On 2/25/2018 at 12:50 AM, Dark Qiviut said:

I think you'll need to go further back than merely 300 years. Clover lived at least a millennium ago. Technology for humanity back then was extremely primitive.

 

  Yea, but we don't really know about how the portal matches up temporally with the CHS world.  It was noted that the Dazzlings were sent through the portal ages ago, but they were still teenagers when Rainbow Rocks occurred.  

12 hours ago, iceestarz said:

Seriously the only issue I had with the special was how Wallflower completely singled out Sunset. I tried really hard to understand her point of view because I’ve been there in her shoes. I’ve had to up and move schools in the middle of high school so I didn’t ever really fit in anywhere for a long time or have friends.

but still, she takes all her issues out on one person who literally walked through hell and back to earn everyone’s love and respect. Sunset Shimmer worked to get where she was with everyone in the school. For Wallflower to completely take all her frustrations out on one person is ridiculous. Sunset wasn’t the only one forgetting she existed. She was this close to completely ruining someone else’s life when in reality it wasn’t just on Sunset Shimmer alone. 

Wallflower is someone who I would have seriously blasted into oblivion never to be seen again. I cannot stand someone who singles out another person who has made an effort to get to where they are. I think the real issue is that she herself didn’t have it in her to fight for what she wanted socially so instead she took it out on someone who had that strength.

that entire scene in the yearbook lab made me want to wring her neck. The second she started to get into it with Sunset really irked me.

  It's easier to hate one person than an entire school.  The more you can focus, the easier it is for negative feelings to grown.  If Twilight had been at CHS instead of Sunset then I think Twilight would have been the target.  I think anyone who was popular would have been the focus of Wallflower's anger.

  I don't think we've focused on it yet, but I think it's pretty good that Wallflower was able to decipher Clover the Clever's writings on the stone.  I can't imagine why'd he'd leave instructions with the thing, thats really a bad move on his(?) part. 

On 2/23/2018 at 3:40 PM, AlbaTross said:

Overall, I think this special is great.  I like its themes, and I was invested in the story throughout.  Having a significant portion take place back in Equestria with Sunset reconciling with Celestia blew my mind even more than that time she met Starlight.  I actually hadn't considered that the reason why Wallflower was forgotten is because she meddled with people's memories of her, but after considering that I find that interesting too.  Oh, and clearly the greatest ponies in Equestrian history aren't as bright when it comes to deciding how to dispose of magic artifacts or deal with threats.  Using the human world as Equestria's dumping ground is a terrible idea yet it has happened more than once.  Overall, great special.

 

  I don't think we can really hold it against Clover leaving the stone in what at the time probably was a very empty place.  CHS is located in a surburban setting, go back two or three hundred years and most suburbs and the cities they are now attached to weren't there.  It was most likely an empty forrest save for a few native Americans.