Kind Claw

7 hours ago, Jedishy said:

Except that plants can feel pain https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm   
What people mean by extreme are those that try to shame demonize or even attack those with different beliefs. When you have vegans like Vegan Gains out there its easy to see what people are getting at. By cult like they are likely referring to the absolutely awful treatment of people that stop being vegan even for health reasons. IE the way a cult treats those that leave. Is it all vegans? Nope. But one has to see where the ideas can find purchase. 

Plant's do not have a brain or central nervous system so they cannot "feel" pain or perceive damage as painful and even if they did then by default we should all go vegan as it takes way WAY less plants to feed 8 billion humans instead of 70 Billion land animals yearly. People arguing that "plants feeling pain" as an excuse to continue eating creatures that DO feel pain is the most frustrating and idiomatic argument I have ever encountered, it even draws attention from the obvious fact that animals absolutely feel pain and express it in ways we can perceive and identify with.
100% I guarantee that everyone would rather chop a carrot than slit a cows throat even if both of them felt pain and as far as cult behaviour goes no I disagree, few big dumb meanies acting like jerks while being vegan does not mean veganism is a cult, it simply means some jerks are vegan just like some omnivores who ridicule friends and family for being vegan are not cults they too are just being jerks.

Even if it seems unlikely that we wont stop eating meat all together as specie, that doesn't mean that others should not try to reduce and even eliminate their consumption of animal products.
People are not going to stop taking illegal drugs all together but doesn't mean I'm going to start taking crack lol (Example used to illustrate a point, don't do drugs kids)

On 3/1/2019 at 10:55 AM, Kind Claw said:

 

Religious views? Cult views? Extreme views? let's clear things up a bit here on this thread. What is veganism? Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products, particularly in diet, and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals (Wikipedia) Veganism is not religious, cultist or extreme. If anypony thinks that living a life that reduces violence as "extreme" then you need to re-evaluate your thought's on what classifies as extremism. Let's look at two sides of the argument here, one view eats only plants (or things that do not feel pain) is not unhealthy and is less damaging to the environment  the other view literally FORCES animals to live lives of exploitation and then be slaughtered because of taste preferences. Now I'll ask you personally, which view would be considered extreme if you were looking at it objectively? Again one forces animals to die, the other does not. 

On 3/4/2019 at 5:30 AM, Anneal said:

At least from a more nutritional stance, being able to eat dairy products and eggs makes it a lot easier to supplement the nutrients you would have otherwise gotten from meat. A major issue with veganism is vitamin B12 deficiency, and vitamin B12 comes naturally from animal products. This would require vegans to consume either fortified foods, supplements, or GMOs to account for nutritional deficiencies, which are even more apparent and bigger than that of typical vegetarians. 

Also, veganism isn't totally opposed to the use of animals in any kind of food product, but they are generally against unfair and harmful use of animals. Vegans generally will not care if bees were involved in pollinating crops or manure was used as fertilizer, but they do if they believe that chickens are being cooped up in cages to collect their eggs. 

In terms of nutrition vegans who supplement B12 are healthier than omnivores because they don't consume animal products.
Vegans not being opposed to allowing bee's to pollinate fruits and veggies the logical stance is that bee's are not forced to do it they are simply behaving normally.
in regard to manure being used to fertilized crops, recycling waste is good for the environment and for better food production but if some are against the use of animal products in all aspects of farming you can get fertilizers from non animals sources like composted plant material.
Chickens are treated like products (egg laying machines) and are subjected to horrendous conditions like being cooped and killed early when egg production reduces. The egg industry also kill male baby chicks after one day because they are considered a waste products, they are often thrown into a grinder, suffocated with gas or thrown in mass into a bag to suffocate.

I understand the need to keep this forum site free of violence, sexual violence and gore and understand why my videos and links were removed from this discussion.
I will try to share a more light hearted aspect of living a lifestyle that does not directly exploit animals for pleasure. I am however disappointed in human psychology regarding how we are against something (Violence towards animals) yet pay for it to happen without directly seeing it for our own eyes. On hard topics like this we need and deserve transparency in order to make more informed choices that align with our morality.

If Anypony want's to learn about the practices in the animal agricultural industries before commenting on this discussion feel free to message me.

I think learning both sides of the argument for yourself is important instead of thinking how society tells you to think.
The main reason people go vegan is for the animals, if any type of person wanted to go vegan for the animals it would be Bronies since we all love animals (Ponies and non Ponie alike)
Fluttershy would be very upset if you didn't 

Let's say for example you had a bad experience with EVERY vegan you ever met, does that mean you shouldn't go vegan? Of course not. Blaming others and using them as an excuse to do something that is exploitive, damaging and unhealthy is irresponsible. So many people call vegans extreme but It's a fact that vegans cannot "Force" their views onto others but omnivores can and do "Force" animals to die for their views even though it's been proven that the optimal amount of animal consumption for health is zero.
 

How is everypony doing! want the recipe for vegan chocolate protein moose?

Here you all go!

I'm going to try make another MLP V Meme will show it once it's done

The article is titled "Sorry Vegans" How about a "Thank you Vegans" I noticed this article brings up the past in terms of human evolution as what I see as no more than an excuse to continue detrimental behaviour patterns. Now I won't argue that eating animal products influenced our evolution but using the past as an example to do something in the present is a slippery slope, after all murder and enslavement was perfectly fine in the past. Is it true we ate meat in the past it wasn't until recently that thanks to the industrial revolution that abundance was created and thanks to science we now know what plants to eat and how to fortify our foods to get not only enough to survive but also thrive. One could argue that eating a plant based diet is the next step not only in the evolution as a species but in becoming a more sustainable and healthy society.

I'm off to bed now but will read your reply tomorrow morning as well as the articles you shared thanks for the info btw

3 minutes ago, Jedishy said:

That is where I take issue because I can find data well everywhere to the contrary such as here. Humans are omnivores made to be opportunistic eaters. That means we can eat anything. Though in modern times we have tended towards a meat-heavy diet. As its one of the easier ways to get calories. Outside of heavy grain intake that is. As someone on a diet, I can tell you that beans or meats such as fish or chicken are my best way to avoid a grain-heavy diet which due to a family history of diabetes I have been instructed to move away from. 

Extra sources for proof of humans being omnivores:  

Listed as part of the ape family of Omnivore

Article on how meat might be vital to our evolution

Second article on omnivores and our evolution  

That's interesting you mention diabetes, I have found studies on how eating animal products promotes diabetes in particular how animal fats bind to cells effectively blocking the cells ability to absorb insulin. here is a video by Dr Neil Bernard to explain made by the reputable Ted Talks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktQzM2IA-qU

8 minutes ago, Jedishy said:

I welcome your input. Fact is that I am not vegan or even vegetarian as my first post stated. But I do recognize morally we should seek to minimize harm and well vegans and vegetarians have some experience in that arena and its likely greater than my own. So I figure this is as good a place as any to learn a thing or two. 

I'm glad you are here to learn a thing or two I hope that I can teach a little from my own experience and what I have learned from some pretty impressive ponies.

I'd like to mention how we humans are actually biomechanically similar to Equines!!!   Such similarities are how our jaws move side to side and back teeth are flat, perfect for grinding up vegetation we also lack the predatory teeth to kill prey when compared to bears, lions and wolves we have canines but they are too small.

one site in particular suggests we are frugivores meaning we are designed to eat only fruit, now don't get me wrong that sounds legit when you think about it but there is no way I'm giving up vegetables, nuts, grains, seeds, lentils, fungi ect. here is a comparison image from the site Veganbiologist.com 

Hey Everypony!

It's good to see you all having such a civil discussion once I am finished with my workout I'd be happy to join you

Are you in Australia? If so the place is called Lord Of The Fries the have franchises in Adelaide and Melbourne.
If you are from somewhere else then that's okay just google search for a vegan restaurant and give them a call asking if they do fish burgers

Just now, Dabmanz said:

Not from places like hungry jacks but I have had mock meats from supermarkets.

There is a place in Australia that serves some the most accurate vegan fish and chicken burgers ever! since you are a pescatarian you'd probably be impressed when you try a vegan fried fish burger

5 minutes ago, Dabmanz said:

Btw it was world Vegan day on november first and I got the two for one hungry jacks Vegan burger. I really like that Burger.

They are pretty good I think the only improvement would be making an actual fake meat instead of a vege patty have you tried fake meat patty's before? 

I would say the alcohol might have been the culprit this time 

I have not been sick in over 4 year and somehow got slightly sick while hanging out with some Bronies playing drinking games.

Hi Everypony!
 

With season 8's final airing worldwide and coming to a close, let's all discuss what we hope to come from season 9 episode 1.

No doubt the team of ponies making the episodes have been planning something in the works they certainly do listen to feedback and the Brony community, so lets have a little chat about what we hope to come from the next and potentially final season of My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.

Personally for me I hope there will be some answers to questions long asked by the fandom and the reveal of a new villain (Who's name will not be spoiled as seen from EQD)
 

So...What do you hope and or expect to come of Season 9 Episode 1?

I found two vegan bronies a while ago am now friends with one of them 

On ‎10‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 8:36 PM, Dabmanz said:

I have been doing fine thank you how was the convention?

On ‎10‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 10:01 PM, Dabmanz said:

The New Vegan Cheeseburger at Hungry Jacks is awesome.

The convention was an amazing and unforgettable experience! I made so many friends!! and now things are really looking up 

That vegan cheese burger is pretty good the mayo is spot on and for fast food it's pretty healthy 

I got into a civil argument about veganism on canterlotavenue it was in regards to a member (who will be nameless) posting a meme mocking the physical strength of vegans.
What is the strongest land animal? the Elephant in fact the strongest animal in relation to their size is the Hercules Beetle both are herbivorous the stigma that Vegans are weak because they don't eat animals is false not only in terms of physical strength but also mental strength.

Anyway it is true I was arguing in relation to a meme but felt the need to defend a way of life that through science has proven it Is a more sustainable, ethical and healthy lifestyle.

I mean come on! Vegans are weak? What do think? 

On ‎9‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 7:36 PM, Dabmanz said:

Hi Just dropping in this is Dabmanz... oh wait I wrote that.  In any case how you all doing?

Hi Dabmanz sorry I haven't gotten the change to check my lounge it's been a busy time with work and volunteering for a mlp convention in Adelaide.
how have you been?