Overrated Princesses and Discord

[Hive King 2,001]

Where did the whole idea that Discord and the princesses are gods that can destroy planets come from? Discord was bed ridden from disease and terrified of the Tatzlworm, and he's much stronger than the princesses

[Nuke87654 1,849]

They may not be gods as we believe, but they sure as heck can destroy planets (at least for Luna, Celestia, and Discord) via throwing a moon or sun at the planet.

Edited September 9, 2014 by Nuke87654

[Hive King 2,001]

They may not be gods as we believe, but they sure as heck can destroy planets (at least for Luna, Celestia, and Discord) via throwing a moon or sun at the planet.

That would kill them in the process due to lack of air, starvation, cold, heat, radiation, etc.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

That would kill them in the process due to lack of air, starvation, cold, heat, radiation, etc.

 

Celestia and Luna seemed to have survived on the Sun and Moon with no issues. Heck the mane 6 and Spike survived on the moon without needing anything special to breath whatsoever.

Edited September 9, 2014 by Nuke87654

[Hive King 2,001]

Celestia and Luna survived on the sun and moon respectively with no issue though.

Discord was sick from simple disease that Cadence was able to block with a shield, they seem to have normal biological systems

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Discord was sick from simple disease that Cadence was able to block with a shield, they seem to have normal biological systems

 

Even so, their biological system is far stronger than ours considering of what i've said and how Discord split his face in two to avoid an attack without concern.

[Hive King 2,001]

Even so, their biological system is far stronger than ours considering of what i've said and how Discord split his face in two to avoid an attack without concern.

The problem with that is that in reference to being sealed on the Moon and Sun, it could simply be a magic sealing, since we can see Luna's face on the Moon, making the Moon tiny if she's really there. As for Discord's face splitting trick, Discord is really good at illusions, it's quite possible it was just that. Makes more sense considering how when Tirek restrained him, Discord was powerless to even teleport away

[Nuke87654 1,849]

The problem with that is that in reference to being sealed on the Moon and Sun, it could simply be a magic sealing, since we can see Luna's face on the Moon, making the Moon tiny if she's really there. As for Discord's face splitting trick, Discord is really good at illusions, it's quite possible it was just that. Makes more sense considering how when Tirek restrained him, Discord was powerless to even teleport away

 

But does that offer protection from the outside elements however? Even if they were magically sealed, does that mean they weren't affect by their environment?

 

Sorry, but I'm going to call Occam's razor on this as we see no evidence to suggest it was an illusion, especially as he used it to casually dodge Tirek's attack at him.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

But does that offer protection from the outside elements however? Even if they were magically sealed, does that mean they weren't affect by their environment?

Considering time travel is apparently an option as is locking people in Tartarus, it's not far fetched to say she was put into stasis of some kind

 

 

Sorry, but I'm going to call Occam's razor on this as we see no evidence to suggest it was an illusion, especially as he used it to casually dodge Tirek's attack at him.

A weakened Tirek who had absorbed maybe 10 ponies at most by that point. If he could do this at any time, he'd have nothing to fear from the Tatzlworm(unless he's got a phobia of worms) 

[Kel_Grym 1,917]

Celestia = God

 

How loud do I have to shout it from the rooftops until everyone agrees with me by virtue of volume?

[Darker 1,351]

These characters are SO inconsistent. A guy who is described as a more childish version of Loki can get a cold, and Luna and hypothetically Celestia can survive the Vaccuum of space and 1000 years without oxygen can get overpowered by whacky love.

 

They'r both overrated as characters and in their prospective about power. There are thousands of characters stronger than these three, and even though they can control the Sun and the Moon, they do not use them to destroy nothing. Even then, millions of characters could survive a moon-busting or planet-busting explosion, Goku and Superman come to mind.

 

The only moment were 'destructive' power has been shown in the show was when Twi and Tirek fought. When both of their blasts collapsed they caused an explosion that could not destroy even the most little of mountains. They just destroyed a landscape, but that's pretty much it.

 

Any other kind of power they have is useless, since they can be phisically outmatched by nearly everyone in any media. Magic and reality-warping power doesn't always work on everything.

 

Let's see what kind of response I get.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Considering time travel is apparently an option as is locking people in Tartarus, it's not far fetched to say she was put into stasis of some kind

 

 

A weakened Tirek who had absorbed maybe 10 ponies at most by that point. If he could do this at any time, he'd have nothing to fear from the Tatzlworm(unless he's got a phobia of worms) 

 

Without any proof to indicate they were separated away from the sun and moon itself, it's still speculation as we only know they were sent to the Moon and Sun and were in some imprisonment of some kind. Also, Tarturus provided them with nothing but a chain or open barred cage they cannot break or escape, no special form of barrier other than the gloomy environment of Tarturus.

 

Just because he could split his head in two doesn't make him immune to a much harder to dodge microscopic disease or infection.

[Darker 1,351]

Celestia = God

 

How loud do I have to shout it from the rooftops until everyone agrees with me by virtue of volume?

It was never stated that Celestia was God. She's not omniscient, nor immortal (not in the sense that she can't die) nor all-powerful.

 

That is a very big overestimation. That would mean Celestia is a Universe buster, and that's 100% BS.

Edited September 9, 2014 by Darker

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Just because he could split his head in two doesn't make him immune to a much harder to dodge microscopic disease or infection.

I'm referring to dodging the Tatzlworm's snot 

[Nuke87654 1,849]

These characters are SO inconsistent. A guy who is described as a more childish version of Loki can get a cold, and Luna and hypothetically Celestia can survive the Vaccuum of space and 1000 years without oxygen can get overpowered by whacky love.

 

They'r both overrated as characters and in their prospective about power. There are thousands of characters stronger than these three, and even though they can control the Sun and the Moon, they do not use them to destroy nothing. Even then, millions of characters could survive a moon-busting or planet-busting explosion, Goku and Superman come to mind.

 

The only moment were 'destructive' power has been shown in the show was when Twi and Tirek fought. When both of their blasts collapsed they caused an explosion that could not destroy even the most little of mountains. They just destroyed a landscape, but that's pretty much it.

 

Any other kind of power they have is useless, since they can be phisically outmatched by nearly everyone in any media. Magic and reality-warping power doesn't always work on everything.

 

Let's see what kind of response I get.

 

It's called Plot induced stupidity as Meghan had intended for the power of love (broken aesop ahoy) to beat Chrysalis. It wouldn't meet her objective if either Celestia or the mane 6 came and saved the day.

 

Because there was nothing for them to use it to destroy. Sure both Goku and Superman can solo the MLP verse, but they're not a totally weak verse as they're certainly above the HST for example.

 

The fact they could move the sun and moon already places them above planet+ in destructive capability max. You don't need to see a whole planet getting blown up to see that.

 

Having strong level of magic is actually one of the best forms of fighting as having immense strength and speed means little if said opponent can react as fast as you and blow up your head with a mere thought because you have no resistance to it.

I'm referring to dodging the Tatzlworm's snot 

 

My mistake, in that case it's a matter of Plot induced stupidity as Ed Valentine clearly wanted Discord to be sick for the sake of adding a humorous end to the episode. Characters don't always dodge every attack their stats indicate they can.

[Kel_Grym 1,917]

It was never stated that Celestia was God. She's not omniscient, nor immortal (not in the sense that she can't die) nor all-powerful.

 

That is a very big overestimation. That would mean Celestia is a Universe buster, and that's 100% BS.

 

Celestia = Universe

 

Bullshit is Magic.

[Darker 1,351]

The fact they could move the sun and moon already places them above planet+ in destructive capability max. You don't need to see a whole planet getting blown up to see that.

Since when did moving and destroying became the same thing?

 

Also yeah. It might have been too unfair to mention Goku and Superman who are OP in comparison.

 

Having strong level of magic is actually one of the best forms of fighting as having immense strength and speed means little if said opponent can react as fast as you and blow up your head with a mere thought because you have no resistance to it.

There is also the fact that these are children's characters. Even if they wanted to kill they wouldn't, they're unable to do it, as in the end, they're not truly evil or ruthless enough to do such thing.

 

And I just can't imagine Celestia blowing up someone's head. That is so out of character.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

It was never stated that Celestia was God. She's not omniscient, nor immortal (not in the sense that she can't die) nor all-powerful.

 

That is a very big overestimation. That would mean Celestia is a Universe buster, and that's 100% BS.

 

God =/= omnipotent like God of Christianity. For example, the gods in GOW were little more than just super powered mages if we were to gauge them by their power instead of their status as gods. There are many characters in fiction who aren't gods that would beat the shit out of them.

[NavelColt 22,879]

Q: Also, are they gods in your book?

A: No, but extremely magical and powerful.

~Source

 

Lauren stated back in the S2/S3 era that the princesses were not gods, dieities, etc. Sure, her word stopped being canon after S2, but seeing as how the show has not done a single thing to denounce the original creator's head-canon since then, that ship has sailed for all intents and purposes, until such a time where Celestia turns around to Twilight and says, 'by the way, I'm descended from Ra'.

 

Anyone who still throws around the god term and actually means it, either hasn't heard the news or is in severe denile. All they have is powerful magic, wisdom and trippy manes. Presumably all of which they possess due to their extended life-spans, which must come from some other factor; the two most likely ones being pure alicorn lineage bloodline or someshit, or the fact that they weilded the Elements for so damn long before the Mane Six showed up and slapped some fillies.

 

As for Discord, his character has indeed been horribly inconsistant. He got a cold from a creature he (someone who's been around for 'eons' as he said himself in S2) had never seen before, got bitch-slapped by Tirek and tossed aside like an amateur, among other things, when he was depicted as a god-tier, reality-warping character who had no equal outside the ancient Elements of Harmony back in S2. I adore Discord, then and now, but that is one problem I wish the writer's haden't brought his character into when he was 'reformed'; his power just isn't there anymore. Oh well. It's hard to just pass things off to bad writing, but that is certainly something I don't mind doing so with. Discord's more or less served to be a plot device more than anything else lately, ergo why he appears weak and helpless whenever the plot calls for him to be so. Thanks M.A Larson Meghan Mcarthy!

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Celestia = Universe

 

Bullshit is Magic.

Well, for a universe she certainly got her ass kicked by a bug that was then beat by a dude bro surfer and his pink ho.

 

 

 

 

And alot of the overestimation comes from applying real world cause and effect to the powers that discord and the princesses have. Due to their near halting of the ageing process, and their abilities to move the sun alot of their over poweredness comes from applying D&D/real world effects and causes to that.

 

 

As for discord, since he has shown he can reality bend at will I think he is not ever overestimated on the power scale, he is just subject to the whims of the writers and as such makes very poor life choices.

[Darker 1,351]

Celestia = Universe

 

Bullshit is Magic.

I just have now realized the similarities between your previous comment and your avatar...

 

That explains everything.

 

Also yes, God is a Universe buster, as he created the Universe with a thought, he could also destroy it as easily.

Celestia is not even near that much busting powers.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Since when did moving and destroying became the same thing?

 

Also yeah. It might have been too unfair to mention Goku and Superman who are OP in comparison.

 

There is also the fact that these are children's characters. Even if they wanted to kill they wouldn't, they're unable to do it, as in the end, they're not truly evil or ruthless enough to do such thing.

 

And I just can't imagine Celestia blowing up someone's head. That is so out of character.

 

Because since they can move the sun and moon at will, what is to stop them from sending the moon or sun to Equestria or any other planet if they were bloodlusted?

 

True.

 

Also very true in this regard. As you've said before, Tirek in G1 was essentially Tirek in G4 if he were allowed to kill and threaten people's lives with death threats.

 

Perhaps, but if she were bloodlusted, her telekinesis can do that.

[Darker 1,351]

God =/= omnipotent like God of Christianity. For example, the gods in GOW were little more than just super powered mages if we were to gauge them by their power instead of their status as gods. There are many characters in fiction who aren't gods that would beat the shit out of them.

He was obviously referring to God, Jehova or whatever his name was, the almighty God that created the Universe with ease. I doubt we refer to any other god as GOD.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

He was obviously referring to God, Jehova or whatever his name was, the almighty God that created the Universe with ease. I doubt we refer to any other god as GOD.

 

Then my error, and thank you for pointing it out, Darker.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

My mistake, in that case it's a matter of Plot induced stupidity as Ed Valentine clearly wanted Discord to be sick for the sake of adding a humorous end to the episode. Characters don't always dodge every attack their stats indicate they can.

The problem is that with Discord, we have such a limited pool of things to call on for combat as Discord doesn't fight a lot. As such, we get this

 

He can beat up the princesses

He can dodge Tirek but not snot

He can be restrained via paralysis

His magic is subject to being drained

He is resistant to most damage

 

That's all we have on actual combat, which is a mixed bag of good shows and bad. The rest of Discord is more environmental than personal.

 

As for telekinesis being a weapon, I doubt it. The characters always resort to concussive energy waves instead of age spells, telekinesis, or other such things. I don't really know why. The one time I remember telekinesis being used in combat was by Tirek, even then, it was just to hold Discord in place and toss Twilight, not really the Force Choke you seem to be thinking about. Otherwise, it's just Kamehameha style lasers.

 

As for the HST, Kaguya can certainly get rather far as can the ones who mind fuck  you