Bubble Berry and Pinkie Pie

[Friendship_Cannon 1,676]

Just Bubble Berry and Pinkie Pie snuggeling (no shipping)

After a long evening of talking Pinkie fell asleep lying on Bubbles flank. To wake her up (and maybe as a little prank), Bubbles blows in her ear so Pinkie startles up...

 

after an idea and request from ~Chaotic Discord~

 

hope you enjoy, bro

 

 

critic is very welcome, everypony!

[NavelColt 22,881]

Nicely done ^^ I like the eyes and manes/tails, I think you really did well with those. They look like cotton candy As for a bit of critique, I'd say try out more dynamic poses in the future, so that characters don't appear too linear and stiff. Pinkie's layout looks rather uncomfortable to me, laying out so far from Berry at that particular angle.

 

I give it an 8/10 ^-^ Good job overall, it's cute and I'm very glad you decided to do an art piece for it! Thanks again~

[Battlemuffins 26]

This is really great! I absolutely love the attention to detail you have given this. It seems as if it could be real, while at the same time, I just know it's a drawing of animated ponies. I don't see much Traditional Art that can effectively portray that

[Derpylicious Derpy 38]

It's AWESOME! It makes me wanna cry!

 

Can you make me one with Rainbow Dash and Soarin!

 

Please?!?!

if you can i will WUB you 4 ever!

[Pix3M 607]

Hmm... Lemme see how far I can get with critiquing this.

 

I can look at the shape of the head and level of detail on the manes and tails to guess that you're going for something a bit more realistic than show-style. Kinda hard to tell what might be a mistake or what was intended when we go with an original anatomical style and can sometimes be hard to critique. Sometimes it's hard to tell what's a mistake and what's intentional.

 

It may be worth keeping in mind that real horses have legs that vary quite a bit with the thicknesses of their legs. Their hooves are quite a bit wider than the skinnier parts of their legs. Show-style legs are straighter and have more consistent widths, but they still flare out the thicknesses near the hooves. The hooves you have here are completely straight, which doesn't really follow either realistic or show-style anatomy. I'd probably call this a potential mistake as straight legs are less real than even show-style, which to me goes in the wrong direction for going for something more real.

 

I also believe hoof size should be consistent for every leg. Pinkie's front hooves are visibly smaller than her back hooves. Hoof shape is also slightly inconsistent as they're differently angled at their front tips.

 

Pinkie's back leg is also bent oddly. The joints where they bend are bending in wrong directions. The first joint from the hip is supposed to bend back like our own knees, and the second joint bends forward like our ankles.

 

The snouts here are much larger than show-style. Pinkie's snout seems to me as enlarged pretty much straight-forward. I wonder if her nose would look better if we tried avoiding that large curve on her jaw. It's not something you see in real horses, and it's exaggerated from show-style. Pinkie's snout also looks angled farther down than show-style considering her ears seem to me to make her face to be level.

 

Bubble's snout also resembles a wolf's with its basic shape.

 

I notice there's a lot of fluff in their tails. What throws me off are the lines that start from the start of the tail, which suggests straight hair instead of the chaotic curls the outlines of the tail really suggest.

 

I also have a hunch that Pinkie's flank could have been executed better, but I can't remember what a horse or a show-style pony looks like when they're lying down.

 

Shading is also a bit wishy-washy. It's sort of there, but it doesn't feel convincing. Their manes were also not shaded (did you forget?), and I am not sure what your intended light source direction is. Your shading is hugging your edges with a seemingly uniform manner, and that's not necessarily what shading looks like. The moon for example... its shading never uniformly hugs its edges.

 

Pinkie's open eye is also slightly uncanny as there isn't a light spot to keep it from being so.

 

And a last minute thing I noticed... where are Bubble's back legs?

Edited November 1, 2012 by Pix3M

[Friendship_Cannon 1,676]

Hmm... Lemme see how far I can get with critiquing this.

 

I can look at the shape of the head and level of detail on the manes and tails to guess that you're going for something a bit more realistic than show-style. Kinda hard to tell what might be a mistake or what was intended when we go with an original anatomical style and can sometimes be hard to critique. Sometimes it's hard to tell what's a mistake and what's intentional.

 

It may be worth keeping in mind that real horses have legs that vary quite a bit with the thicknesses of their legs. Their hooves are quite a bit wider than the skinnier parts of their legs. Show-style legs are straighter and have more consistent widths, but they still flare out the thicknesses near the hooves. The hooves you have here are completely straight, which doesn't really follow either realistic or show-style anatomy. I'd probably call this a potential mistake as straight legs are less real than even show-style, which to me goes in the wrong direction for going for something more real.

 

I also believe hoof size should be consistent for every leg. Pinkie's front hooves are visibly smaller than her back hooves. Hoof shape is also slightly inconsistent as they're differently angled at their front tips.

 

Pinkie's back leg is also bent oddly. The joints where they bend are bending in wrong directions. The first joint from the hip is supposed to bend back like our own knees, and the second joint bends forward like our ankles.

 

The snouts here are much larger than show-style. Pinkie's snout seems to me as enlarged pretty much straight-forward. I wonder if her nose would look better if we tried avoiding that large curve on her jaw. It's not something you see in real horses, and it's exaggerated from show-style. Pinkie's snout also looks angled farther down than show-style considering her ears seem to me to make her face to be level.

 

Bubble's snout also resembles a wolf's with its basic shape.

 

I notice there's a lot of fluff in their tails. What throws me off are the lines that start from the start of the tail, which suggests straight hair instead of the chaotic curls the outlines of the tail really suggest.

 

I also have a hunch that Pinkie's flank could have been executed better, but I can't remember what a horse or a show-style pony looks like when they're lying down.

 

Shading is also a bit wishy-washy. It's sort of there, but it doesn't feel convincing. Their manes were also not shaded (did you forget?), and I am not sure what your intended light source direction is. Your shading is hugging your edges with a seemingly uniform manner, and that's not necessarily what shading looks like. The moon for example... its shading never uniformly hugs its edges.

 

Pinkie's open eye is also slightly uncanny as there isn't a light spot to keep it from being so.

 

And a last minute thing I noticed... where are Bubble's back legs?

 

Wow, must have taken you quite a lot of time, and though I don´t agree with most of your points thanks for your critique...

 

The legs might be a bit skinny, that´s right, and the hooves are normally a bit wider. My mistake, and I worked on that.

To Pinkies legs and her position: look closer: first, her front legs are the same size as the back ones they are just folded, and partially covered by her mane.

To the position, there is meant to be a twist, Pinkie is lying on her back, only the part of her body upwards from the hips is turned towards you. For I am slowly trying to get away from the straight-from-the-show-style (and I dont have actual horses in mind doing these drawings) the thing about both ponies snouts are what I would call "freedom of art". About "Bubbles snout resembles a wolf"... I´m sorry, but what the hay?

http://mlpforums.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png

 

And thanks a bunch for your lessons about shading, mighty appreciated (I like the moon example), I normally do my shading (not like others) in the slightest way possible to make it look natural. If you are confused looking for a light source, I got bad news for you and I have to give another hint to "freedom of art"....

 

Bubbles back legs, well, I wonder noone else talked about it, they should be lost in the shading between their both boides, I wasn´t really able to do them in a´satisfying ankle... my bad.

Edited November 3, 2012 by Your Friend

[Pix3M 607]

Wow, must have taken you quite a lot of time, and though I don´t agree with most of your points thanks for your critique...

 

The legs might be a bit skinny, that´s right, and the hooves are normally a bit wider. My mistake, and I worked on that.

To Pinkies legs and her position: look closer: first, her front legs are the same size as the back ones they are just folded, and partially covered by her mane.

I wasn't talking about her leg length, but hoof size.

 

 

To the position, there is meant to be a twist, Pinkie is lying on her back, only the part of her body upwards from the hips is turned towards you.

I'm not sure if we're understanding each other. This was what I meant.

 

 

Source of horse legs pic: http://fav.me/d4y9l50

 

For I am slowly trying to get away from the straight-from-the-show-style (and I dont have actual horses in mind doing these drawings) the thing about both ponies snouts are what I would call "freedom of art".

I prefer to say that it was intentional instead of calling it freedom of art. Really, I could see 'freedom of art' as an excuse to dodge any possible critique possible when convenient.

 

About "Bubbles snout resembles a wolf"... I´m sorry, but what the hay?

This was what I was seeing:

 

 

Source for wolf pic: http://fav.me/d4kjntc

 

 

And thanks a bunch for your lessons about shading, mighty appreciated (I like the moon example), I normally do my shading (not like others) in the slightest way possible to make it look natural. If you are confused looking for a light source, I got bad news for you and I have to give another hint to "freedom of art"....

Bad news indeed. =( If you want it to be more natural, it shouldn't hurt to have your shading show consistent lighting sources.

 

And a fun thought... being able to wrap your head around shading and light sources can really help you tell if a photo was shopped or not.

Edited November 3, 2012 by Pix3M

[Friendship_Cannon 1,676]

Dat argumentation... No offense, dude, but I got the feeling we are just 2 different types of artists. I totally respect how you do it, and I understand your argumentation, but I think I am gonna keep it my way. I get your points but I won´t change them if the people I do it for like it this way and they seem to.

 

 

So, as a conclusion, your tips are welcome, but don´t expect me to use them or let them influence my style. Everyone is unique, though the rationaity is clearly on your side, my friend. I raise my hat to you, and thank you again for your critic.

(I hope you don´t misunderstand me in this, I am totally serious and not making fun of you in any way.)

[Pix3M 607]

Dat argumentation... No offense, dude, but I got the feeling we are just 2 different types of artists. I totally respect how you do it, and I understand your argumentation, but I think I am gonna keep it my way. I get your points but I won´t change them if the people I do it for like it this way and they seem to.

 

 

So, as a conclusion, your tips are welcome, but don´t expect me to use them or let them influence my style. Everyone is unique, though the rationaity is clearly on your side, my friend. I raise my hat to you, and thank you again for your critic.

(I hope you don´t misunderstand me in this, I am totally serious and not making fun of you in any way.)

 

Haha, I guess we are indeed two different people with different attitudes. But, from experience, I am not somebody who will go for the "I won't change them if the people I do it for like it this way and they seem to" attitude, and for a very very good reason.

 

I can understand not changing the artwork if you're not interested in spending any more time on a piece and wanna move on, but what I think is far better is to know how to make future pieces better to leave a much better impact on people. I've seen pieces before I was like "wow!", but after spending a bit of time looking at them, I start to not like the piece as I saw mistakes that made it far more difficult to appreciate.

 

It is also incredibly easy to find people who will like your art if you have the mere ability to draw. I was once told a saying which goes like "In a world full of blind people, the one-eyed is king". There are lots of people who can't really draw, so it doesn't take much to impress them. However, I think a more interesting goal is to see if you can get more people to start to care about your works, or possibly even impress the toughest of critics. Sometimes, it takes a very harsh critique to know everything you did wrong and everything you could have done instead to get more people to stop and care about your works.

 

But... if you're not interested in improving to get better, then what is the point of saying that critiques are welcome? That kinda throws me off, you know?

[Friendship_Cannon 1,676]

Haha, I guess we are indeed two different people with different attitudes. But, from experience, I am not somebody who will go for the "I won't change them if the people I do it for like it this way and they seem to" attitude, and for a very very good reason.

 

I can understand not changing the artwork if you're not interested in spending any more time on a piece and wanna move on, but what I think is far better is to know how to make future pieces better to leave a much better impact on people. I've seen pieces before I was like "wow!", but after spending a bit of time looking at them, I start to not like the piece as I saw mistakes that made it far more difficult to appreciate.

 

It is also incredibly easy to find people who will like your art if you have the mere ability to draw. I was once told a saying which goes like "In a world full of blind people, the one-eyed is king". There are lots of people who can't really draw, so it doesn't take much to impress them. However, I think a more interesting goal is to see if you can get more people to start to care about your works, or possibly even impress the toughest of critics. Sometimes, it takes a very harsh critique to know everything you did wrong and everything you could have done instead to get more people to stop and care about your works.

 

But... if you're not interested in improving to get better, then what is the point of saying that critiques are welcome? That kinda throws me off, you know?

 

As my last point, and I ask you to read this carefully, you are again not getting my point. I am going to improve my talent for sure, and I really like some of the ideas (to change my style) from the comments I get. Thing is, and I´m sure you will understand, that I can´t (and don´t wanna) use every tip I get from others. Your argumentation is very good understandable, once again, your point is clear, but...

I just dislike it, I´m mighty sorry. I do not plan to get stuck at this point as you maybe thought I will (and I see it as a slight affront that you think I will).

To end this, something personal, about your 2nd last part, I wouldn´t write this kinda things too often. It might be the honest truth in your eyes but many people will find it insulting (I do aswell). I don´t like the way how you are talking about other drawers, artists and people who have fun from this like they are nothing but a blind flock.

I would ask you (just ask) to not longer subsribe to threads I make about my drawings neither to quote them, at least until you change your behaviour. Harsh critic isn´t something bad, but you are taking it too far, I gave you my hand and you spit on it. I got enough knowledge and experienced enough, and the way I estimate you (and your last post gave me a kick in this direction) brings me to the conclusion that our both types don´t go along with each other.

[Pix3M 607]

Sorry if I sound like I spat on your hand. Sometimes, it is genuinely hard to tell how much critiques somebody wants. I've been at the receiving end of this at least twice, but nothing but good came after that.

[Penguin 34]

This is actually a very nice drawing. I honestly hope you add a background to it and color it too, so make it look nice and cool