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Looking at some logical inconsistencies in Steven Universe


Tilgoreth

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Today I found out that the gems in Steven Universe are genderless. Which I'm glad because it addresses some logical inconsistencies in the show. It also creates its own. Before I get in to it I have to say something. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm merely being critical of a logical inconsistency in a tv show.

 

My biggest problems with gems has always been gender. Beings composed of light solely created for conquest have gender. That's illogical. Gender is only relevant to biology. When biology is removed it becomes meaningless. When beings who don't reproduce sexually have gender there is a logical inconsistency. If you create new members of your specis through artificial means gender is meaningless. Keep in mind things like bacteria reproduce asexualy(might not be correct term) and certain worms are asexual. Sometimes one will be male the other will be female. So not even all biological life has gender.

 

As far as I understand the explanation as to why the gems are female is because it's easier for them to interact with humans. That's stupid. The gems have been around long before humans. Long before they even discovered Earth. Why would they explicitly care to compensate one insignificant alien race? Who where so primitive compared to the gems. And why would they choose to make themselves appear as women? Why nit men? Aesthetics? But why. Aesthetics for a genderless race designed solely for conquest is meaningless. The most they would need is a number designation. No identifiable form. No aesthetics.

 

I don't know what Rebecca Sugar or the writers original intention was. Maybe they where always supplied to be female. Then the genderless thing came along later. Or maybe they where genderless from the beginning. I don't know. Regardless of original intention it was executed poorly.

 

Listen personally I think the idea of genderless beings is cool. Because there truly genderless beings. They have no anatomy. Therefore gender becomes irrelevant. I also understand why they have gender. Steven Universe is still a kids show. Having massive featureless blobs wouldn't be very appealing. Even though it might be more realistic.

 

The problem though is how it's portrayed. As far as the main gems are concerned I believe they are all female. Not in that they are biologically female but mentally they feel that way. And having watched the show I do not believe there as been any indication otherwise. This is a problem.

 

See it would be one thing if the gems where female to acomadate Steven. There not. All gems have always been female. We have seen no indication otherwise. And the main characters have never shown any indication that they don't feel like women. Keep in mind the athsteitcs. Sapphire, Lapis, and Rose all have dresses. Why? They wouldn't share the same fashion styles as humans.

 

Genderless now vs created for conquest do not need aesthetics. Aesthetics are a human concept. And widely varied by culture. I suppose the female figure is the one thing they have in common in terms of admiration. The animators applied aesthetics to genderless beings. So the point of them being genderless becomes moot.

 

Finally there's one more aspect I want to talk about. Shipping. I know there are some who hate Steven Universe ships. Because they believe there are no real lesbians sense they are genderless. Fine. I won't dispute that. But the show has still shown that romantic love is still possible for gems. So even if there nit real lesbians they can still fall in love.

 

I like Lapidot. Really only because she's the only one to ship Peridot with. I don't know why Steven Universe fans hate this ship. So if you know please tell me. And I just have to say something about Lapis. Why does she look like a teenage girl? It might just be me. But I think she looks like a teenager. That's a weird aesthetic to apply to an immortal being. But whatever. I'm probably wrong about Lapis.

 

Feel free to discuss with me. :)

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We don't really know if they had a creator or not, but yeah. Still, fiction's full of examples of artificial intelligences developing emotions, so perhaps that happened with the gems too. Maybe we'll find out someday.
It would be interesting. I have seen theories about how that might happen. Relating to why Yellow Diamond wants the Earth destroyed. Though if the gems do have a creator episodes 11 to 15 of season four do open a new possibility of how this will be accomplished. Assuming that's the direction the show wants to go. Which I don't think it is.
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I'm sure that whatever they end up doing it'll be cool ^^. Was nice talking with you :)
Yeah I think the remainder of season four will be pretty cool. But I don't have anything else to add. So yeah it was cool talking to you.

 

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As Hazard Time pointed out, sex and gender are two different things: sex is biological; gender is a social construct. It's a bit grating to see the Steven Universe wiki list the Gems as genderless when they are in fact sexless -- at least by default. They clearly identify with the feminine gender, likely due to using the Diamonds (the Gem matriarchs) as their archetypes. The show has made it clear that the Gems have a strict hierarchy indicative of a developed, if stifled, social system; therefore, however it came about, Gems -- apart from Steven -- consider themselves female, if only an a social sense.

 

Peridot describes Gems as primarily designed for conquest, it's true, but I wonder if she's vastly oversimplifying their overall "purpose". From her perspective at the time, certain Gems were tasked with particular roles without any possibility of change. If we assume the Gems initially developed organically and were not artificially created, then we can at least deduce that they naturally possess a high level of tolerance in exchange for specialization. Although both their survivability and specializations have resulted in the Gems creating an intergalactic empire, it isn't necessarily indicative why Gems may exist in the first place. It would be like studying human development backwards by beginning with modern human society: you might conclude humans developed in order to conquer, reproduce, and exploit resources -- not unlike the Gems. Analyzing their current state can't tell us everything about their origins.

 

In short, to claim it's illogical for the Gems to have social constructs like gender assumes a great deal about them when our information remains limited. It's even unclear if they've made contact with other intelligent beings (apart from humans) in the universe. As for why they appear so aesthetically human, it's worth keeping in mind that humanity may have derived much of its aesthetics (i.e., clothing and architecture) from contact with Gems, not the other way around. We tend to load the deck by using terms like "humanoid" to describe their appearance, despite the fact the Gems were presumably humanoid prior to coming to Earth.

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As Hazard Time pointed out, sex and gender are two different things: sex is biological; gender is a social construct. It's a bit grating to see the Steven Universe wiki list the Gems as genderless when they are in fact sexless -- at least by default. They clearly identify with the feminine gender, likely due to using the Diamonds (the Gem matriarchs) as their archetypes. The show has made it clear that the Gems have a strict hierarchy indicative of a developed, if stifled, social system; therefore, however it came about, Gems -- apart from Steven -- consider themselves female, if only an a social sense.

 

Peridot describes Gems as primarily designed for conquest, it's true, but I wonder if she's vastly oversimplifying their overall "purpose". From her perspective at the time, certain Gems were tasked with particular roles without any possibility of change. If we assume the Gems initially developed organically and were not artificially created, then we can at least deduce that they naturally possess a high level of tolerance in exchange for specialization. Although both their survivability and specializations have resulted in the Gems creating an intergalactic empire, it isn't necessarily indicative why Gems may exist in the first place. It would be like studying human development backwards by beginning with modern human society: you might conclude humans developed in order to conquer, reproduce, and exploit resources -- not unlike the Gems. Analyzing their current state can't tell us everything about their origins.

 

In short, to claim it's illogical for the Gems to have social constructs like gender assumes a great deal about them when our information remains limited. It's even unclear if they've made contact with other intelligent beings (apart from humans) in the universe. As for why they appear so aesthetically human, it's worth keeping in mind that humanity may have derived much of its aesthetics (i.e., clothing and architecture) from contact with Gems, not the other way around. We tend to load the deck by using terms like "humanoid" to describe their appearance, despite the fact the Gems were presumably humanoid prior to coming to Earth.

Yes but sex and gender correlate. Gender is only relevant when a species sexually reproduces. When a species reproduced through artificial means it becomes meaningless. I can understand from a writing perspective why the gems are this way. Rebecca Sugar wanted to use the gems as a means to portray lesbian relationships. And possibly transgender people if that's how you interpret Stevonnie. But from a logical perspective it makes no sense.

 

You said we don't understand the gems origins. That at one point they could have been organic. That they are such and advanced species they where able to shed their physical bodies in favor of one's composed of light. Making them virtually immortal. Assuming they had organic origins they could have also reproduced a sexually. There would be no definitive way to say they reproduced sexually.

 

But even if they reproduced sexually it doesn't necessarily mean male and female. They could have a third gender. But no matter which way you conceive they reproduced while they where still organic, it doesn't account for why they are all made to be female now. If they had organic origins and reproduced sexually then why aren't there male gems? Or even if they where asexual. That would make even less sense as to why they where female.

 

I don't like the idea of the gems being the ones who shaped humanities future. They use it to say "oh their wasn't a god! It was just these aliens that we used to worship!" That's so stupid and such a lazy answer. Besides if people did worship gems as gods then why wouldn't SU culture resemble that more? Wouldn't most of the world be a matriarchy? Wouldn't they live in a very class based society? They don't though. And as far as we know this is still a world where christianity exists. My point is that it's illogical to say we got aesthetics from these beings.

 

Then I suppose there's the even worse explanation. Human beings are either future gems or we created them in the future. Which is a paradox. It's like in Interstellar. Future humans created the worm hole. If they didn't then humanity would have died. But humanity had to of survivors in the first place in order to create the worm hole. But how did humanity survive in the first place without the wormhole? It's a paradox. It's be so disappointing if Steven Universe was just a paradox. It's so lazy and just raises more questions.

 

Then again there's always another alternative. Inorganic beings created inorganic beings. That's stupid. Because where did the inorganic beings that created these new inorganic beings come from? Who created the original inorganic beings? As far as science fiction is concerned saying god did it is lazy. It's a cop out. Besides why would a god create both a set of organic and inorganic sentient beings? Besides that it could what purpose would it serve?

 

Well that's it for now.

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