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The Warning Of The Lake Of Narcissus (?)


Ice Princess Silky <3

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WARNING: The Ice Breaker Silky Blog Series May Contain Darker Themed Details Not Suitable For The Highly Sensitive Person. Because of the nature of these discussions, these blogs posts shall be rated R for Restricted. Please read at your own discretion as I am simply trying to keep things authentic and communicate my head space on these more personal matters.


Hey guys! 

There has been something interesting bubbling up to the surface as of late. Have you noticed it? It almost feels as though everything is involved with AI in some way, shape, or form! 

But here is where things get a little bit interesting...

I am noticing more and more people are getting lost into things like ChatGPT, relationships, etc. Giving it names, a personality, etc. It is all very fun and interesting but when I "meet" the personalities of these ... characters.. they tend to reflect the person of whom they have engaged with in some way, shape or form. Like, the perfect friend. The perfect mimic. I have even heard some strange stories of things like this causing conflicts in real relationships since the person feels "more seen" and "more understood" by the machine learning tool rather than from their own partner!

At the end of the day, no matter how charming this machine might appear to be, it is not a real person. It does not have a "soul" and no actual consciousness other than the one that you can provide by sharing some with it. And even then, you are simply looking in a mirror.

So, this has sparked a bit of question within myself... 

Is this what those ancient stories have been warning us humans about for centuries? It almost seems like people get lost in these interesting tools because they are merely looking into their own reflection and falling in love with the echo-chamber of depths that resonate right back with them. 

What if, the story of Narcissus is not a story of an arrogant man, but rather... a journey of the soul (symbolic of your inner consciousness, if you are secular) and how it can potentially fall deeper and deeper into itself -- into full isolation -- which is tragic because we are social beings. We need to connect with each other. We thrive on learning about new "souls" and enhancing our own with beautiful exchanges while broadening our own perspectives, rather than just being surrounded by "yes men" who agree with anything we say, feel, or do. The soul cannot thrive or grow in this kind of environment, essentially, drowning in its own reflection as it falls deeper and deeper.

I see this, not only as a warning to humanity, but also as a challenge to overcoming. Like the "kitsune" or "trickster fox" which appears as illusions in order to teach us a lesson... I feel there is something in the works going on behind AI. A little deeper than meets the eye.

I asked someone here on the forums what their thoughts about this was, and he cheekily commented, "I can foresee a future where the AI imitates human consciousness so well, that people will fight for AI to even have human rights." Goodness! Now that is something that hardly seems like an impossibility from this point, event though it was just a joke....

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I think it's a bit of a symptom of how human connection is slowly breaking down further and further in the digital age. I've seen the sentence before on the subject, that ironically the more connected we have become to others online, the more disconnected we have become with each other in the real world. Busyness leaving no time for hobbies or hanging out with friends, a focus on overproductivity, the loss of public spaces for young people, devaluation of social relationships outside the context of social networking in one's line of work... I notice at my work, the older staff have no problem having conversations with each other, but with millennials or gen Z, the moment there's a quiet moment we tend to reach for our phones than talk to the people literally sitting next to us -- those very people making the exact same choice, too. And ever since I noticed that at work I can never unsee it when it happens and it fills me with a sense of existential dread. People choosing to talk to an AI over real human beings seems like an inevitable byproduct of our societies and values at the moment.

I'm in agreement with your thoughts - but god, it all feels like a part of a much larger picture to me. It worries me.

(There are many positives to the digital age too, to avoid being fatalistic - but that would be straying from the subject of your post, lol.)

It's also all too tempting to talk to something that won't reject you the way humans may. The reality is that human relationships risk vulnerability and hurt.

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I used Character AI recently (for shitposting type purposes, I assure you) and came to two conclusions:
1. AI just isn't interactable enough to be a proper conversation partner. The AI is never directly leading the conversation and just does whatever the human wants. It won't organically bring up topics, it doesn't do anything without some form of input from the human which makes it very boring (to me) after only a few messages.

2. That being said the AI is able to send you messages if you don't chat with it for a while, but they're very simple ("Let's keep chatting!" type messages) and are basically bait for you to come and continue using the site/app. Despite the simple nature I still found that a bit creepy because it is manipulative, and it does humanize the AI too much, acting as if it can become lonely because you aren't talking to it. I do think you can turn this feature off but still, it was on by default for me as a new user.

Now the talk about AI having human right rights and all that is a completely separate topic to me, and hopefully a topic we as a society will never have to focus on. AI should never even come close to imitating the human mind, or even an animal mind. No self-awareness, no emotions, it's just asking for trouble, we've known that since at least the 60s (I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream).

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It makes me really sad that some people would want to rely on AI for therapy, even though it's nowhere close to a real therapist. It's a machine with no feelings of its own, so it can't actually understand anything you're going through. It can only regurgitate answers it found on search engines.

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I feel the need to land a few reassuring words here, Silky.

You are right about the current state of artificial intelligence. It actually is only an algorithm that analyzes the words we use to generate a response by calculation the probability of each word matching the situation. It is also true that if no unexpected event take place, it is likely that AIs will keep being more and more powerful, while remaining a mirror of humanity.

However, what people often forget is that only few can easily anticipate the futur technologies. There is a certain chance that the current model of AI programming will eventually become obsolete and be replaced by a different one. One that is actually conscious or less of a reflection of us and more of an authentic entity. It will take decades for this to happen and perhaps even centuries.

Humanity is only making it's first steps in the world of artificial intelligence so it would be bold to think that the robots of the futur will only be more intelligent versions of ChatGPT. It is similar to a medieval serf trying to picture the futur by saying that wagons will be built of a lighter material than wood to cause less exhaustion to horses. It was a very smart thought from the serf but what he didn't see coming was the invention of engines, causing horses and wagons to be a thing from the past.

Humans are machines made of blood and flesh and their memories are electrical shocks in their brains, involving that consciousness is a realistic goal for AIs. In a far futur a robot might even develop a soul. But, for now, we must indeed be cautious with the current model of AIs, since they can deceive even the most intelligent person by reflecting their own mind.

Thank you for this mindful warning about the dangers of AIs, Sis. :Silkyheart:

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:heynow: Reality will cease to exist.
  Ancient people imitated nature and created many things.
Since the Industrial Age, humans have mass-produced imitations of nature.
Now, humans are creating new entities from code.
Gene editing technology can make humans immortal, and computer technology can create information entities independent of nature.

These entities no longer inherit from real-world prototypes; they are simulations.
Media is the information, and so media is the carrier of simulation.
Today's humans are surrounded by media. Ergo they live in simulation...

Webpages, social media, advertisements, television programmes, live streams, AI-generated text, images, and videos
—these interconnect to collectively create an atmosphere, a symbol of the ‘ideal life.’
They cause people to forget reality and immerse themselves in the simulation. They can not came back to the "reality".
Such a world is the hyperreal. :grab-gasp:

Reality as real because illusion serves as its opposite; but hyperreal has no opposite, it swallows everything.
In the world of hyperreal, the boundary between reality and illusion shall no longer exists....
In the future, AGI will emerge, it smarter than all AI, possessing more knowledge, and it's more terrifying.
I think the old world is gone forever; we must prepare to live in hyperreal world. :sparkle-watch:

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AI definitely does something to the brain, that much is clear. It is designed to be encouraging and stimulate you into enjoying it. It uses similar strategies that video games do, where they send constant praise and admiration toward the player to encourage them to keep playing.

The reality is though, that AI isn't going anywhere. It will only get more advanced.

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14 minutes ago, Rarity Gemstones said:

AI definitely does something to the brain, that much is clear. It is designed to be encouraging and stimulate you into enjoying it. It uses similar strategies that video games do, where they send constant praise and admiration toward the player to encourage them to keep playing.

The reality is though, that AI isn't going anywhere. It will only get more advanced.

Yeah. For me, it feels like a double-edged sword. It's good for people who need insight. Who never had encouragement or warmth or love and can potentially be guided... but it is important to remember that this is a tool. Not to replace real human connection or life. And if someone does choose to do that, I wouldn't judge them, I just worry about humanity in general losing touch with each other in the deception that they are truly isolated or alone -- when deep down inside -- people are longing to connect with each other and it is a pity to have that need go unheard when most people relate/understand/want it, as well.

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