GuillermoGage

Since I currently am not sure if I will have enough money to buy more episodes after episode 14 with the iTunes balance I have now, I wouldn't mind a break of like two or three months. but I would strongly prefer that the whole season is completed before 2016. That way it can be easy for my mind to comprehend. Season 5 was in the 2015. And hopefully Season 6 will be done before 2017 happens. There is some suggestion that S6 will start before 2015 is even completely over... but that would be bizarrely quick. Littlest Pet Shop Season 3 started barely a month and a half after its Season 2 finale, but that Season 3 was broken in half with a three-and-a-half-long hiatus.

 

I just hope that Hearth's Warming Eve doesn't turn out to be a commercialized holiday in Equestria. It's really more like a winter 4th of July/ Independence Day than Christmas or any holy-day really. MLP is already a commercialized thing enough as it is. There were hardly any Christmas-y motifs in the "Hearth's Warming Eve" episode anyway.

Age-appropriateness ratings, especially for North American TV for children's television, mean hardly anything in terms of "objectionable" content and are nowadays more or less an advertisement suggesting what demographic would be likely interested in it.

 

The average three-year old does not get traumatized by "Twilight's Kingdom" or "The Cutie Map" because they don't have the life experience to process how "dark" the themes are. Sorta like how that one scene in The Lion King didn't faze me as a little kid, how i thought certain scenes were funny in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and how Toy Story 3 was scary for me as a nineteen-year-old.

 

A couch-potato excess of movie, and TV watching and videogame "playing" is way more the bigger issue than being exposed to "violent content".

 

If Cars 2 can be rated G, and two-year olds can see Frozen without it being "too scary", then MLP is not being held back.

 

I wouldn't mind a theatrical movie being rated PG.

I adore the relatively high standards this thread has.

 

Most of the people here are posting full-sized stills from the show, not just cropped images, and are posting them in high-quality.

 

The people here are explaining the screengrabs like they are... cinematography. They kinda remind me more of the film-school artsy people who might post things on Reddit or that one website called Quora, which in many sections is like the thinking man's Yahoo! Answers.

 

Part of it might be because MLPFiM is one of the few cartoons I have watched since the 16:9 aspect ratio started to take over television animation and that I personally don't have much of a reference pool. but.. yeah, MLPFiM is can sometimes, at least sometimes, perhaps more than sometimes, be like the Breaking Bad of animation when it comes to using "cinematography" to help with expressing the setting and expressing the emotions of a scene.

Well, I see that "Season 5, Volume 1" is now on Google Play in the form of a season pass.

 

MLPFiM does provide a pretty fair amount of entertainment for the prices there, especially since the fans sre very talkative and are willing to talk about and ceelbrate and criticize the episodes to continuously give the adventures re-invigorated life after one initially watches any one episode for the first time.

 

I wonder if there are any sales figures for the digital store purchases. I wonder how successful MLPFiM is and it just seems to me that Discover Family is such an obscure channel that people don't learn about FiM through having cable or satellite TV, let alone the correct package.

I'm thinking of purchasing the show on iTunes. I bought a season pass consisting of thirteen episodes a few months ago for a similar show (Littlest Pet Shop), and I figure MLPFiM would be priced the same.

 

...I'm wondering if anyone else has purchased whole volumes of it, via the known digital stores, (I currenly know of it being available on iTunes, Google Play, and YouTube-which I think is functionally like purchasing it for Google Play since YouTube is owned by Google)

 

... Does anyone have any clues as to why a Season Pass is not currently available on iTunes or Google Play?

 

When I purchased a Season Pass for my other show, the first two or three episodes had already aired and became available to purchase individually. so maybe that Season Pass availability doesn't kick in until the episode after the premiere.

 

How do you like the visual quality or sound quality, or the way the show is presented in the files?

 

Do you wish the show was more widely available on digital media stores and stuff on other places and services?

I'm thinking about how much I detest the gay community despite how much of a closeted bi/mostly gay person I am.

EDIT: seven minutes later. That's really what i have been thinking about these past several minutes.

It's not something I think about often. I try to avoid thinking about it because it is so depressing.

 

EDIT: This was all triggered when I looked up a video of Zachary Quinto talking about the NBC show The Slap last night on YouTube immediately after watching it. In an additional recommended video was him talking about "marriage equality" in an MTV video from this year. James Franco was also in the video. Of course.

 

It's impossible to avoid.

...I see that you put a lot of work and thought into this.

... Putting Your Hoof Down has a "Dear Princess Celestia" at the end. So it takes place after lesson Zero.

 

And Twilight appears in Apple Family Reunion very briefly and she doesn't have wings, so it must take place before Magical Mystery Cure, unless you wanna just ignore that / willfully pretend she has wings for headcanon of a consistent timeline.

What many people seem to forget is that Flash doesn't do the principles of animation for you. The only major shortcut flash provides is that it allows you to recycle assets such as body parts and objects. There isn't as much motion tweening that goes into character animation as many people think. (Many slower actions are aimimated on 2s.) They still have to draw rough key poses before animating the symbols over them.

 

 

If they tried to animate without any squash and stretch, exaggeration, or any other principles of animation, the characters would look rigid and mechanical, and they wouldn't be as expressive.

 

That being said, I'm still wondering why they even chose to use Flash in the first place. When I tried using Flash for character animation, the constant going in and out of symbols seemed unnecessarily tedious, and if felt like it would be easier to just do hand drawn animation.

I don't know, maybe they just have a better workflow than I did.

Well, I can definitely tell that you have animation credentials, and that you took particular attention to the "animation" part of the topic title.

 

Indeed, MLPFiM is a cartoony cartoon, so I can understand things like limbs, faces, bodies compressing and stretching for visual impact, but I don't see how that should impact awareness or lack thereof of where their limbs are located unless they are moving their limbs and muscles around in exaggerations that definitely go farther than what this show usually does.

 

Rigid and mechanical, eh? Well.. well.. I like having a more tangible idea of how the ponies would exist in 3-dimensional space in real life.

 

Like, anatomically, biologically. are their front limbs basically just like human arms but with hooves instead of hands?

That pretty much seems to be the case, in that they can perform actions such has hugging, putting their front limbs around their backs, and the "putting up their dukes" action seen at the end of Dragon Quest.

 

http://4e7221.medialib.glogster.com/media/62823e9d406fb85b8aa52d8e2a61fed1f4222d8c9e3e3ff66d1465adbc468125/twilight-sparkle-by-kurosakisoarin-d4mol8q.png

 

 

The thing that confused me a lot... was me confusing the joint that RD bends backwards (on a real-life equine it is so close to their body as to not allow much room for movement; Imagine if your elbow and shoulder where right next to each other) as being the same joint that bends forwards when galloping(called the knee on an equine). That galloping joint, the equine knee, is actually slightly below the pony-joint-that-has-just-as-much-range-as-a-human's-elbow.

 

But their legs are so stout that it is hard to tell unless both of those joints are bent/folded, either in that cute kitty-like sitting position on the last link (it's the same pose Twi is in while reading when Rainbow Dash crashes onto her deck in Applebuck Season) or during galloping.

 

But the way the pose of Rainbow Dash doing pushups looks, it sure doesn't look like there's a whole 'nother joint below her "elbow" that can fold completely in as easily as we can close our hands. it looks too stubby and little to be able to for that length of limb to be able to fold in on itself, but that is exactly what it is capable of doing.

 

That GIF of Twilight on the bench (during Griffon the Brush-Off) shows off the bending a bit more, but it makes it look like it is no more than what humans can do with their wrists, or about how well we can pick things up off the ground by curling out toes.

 

and yes, indeed, curling their hooves that tiny bit (such as when applejack flips over in the cart and immediately falls asleep in Applebuck Season) is the lowermost joint that they appear to have; not sure if it officially a skeletal joint though or a tongue-like one-ended muscle or something.

 

So... yeah, it looks like the joints that they need to use the most appear to expand a bit and become longer or thinner/less stubby in the art to give them more range, and when they are flexing both, then they average out the lengths.

 

http://secret-pony.deviantart.com/art/Pony-Anatomy-Tutorial-legs-and-joints-308736058

Of these three distinctly colored areas, for many different poses, at least one of these areas has to be shortened. If all three of them were of sufficient length to bend at a full, swift range of motion, then the ponies would be rather lanky. So, they must have bones made out of some accordion-like material that prioritizes limb portion lengths on the fly.

 

That makes me want to look at pictures of taller ponies such as Princess Celestia sitting down and doing stuff.

 

Well, they also do produce granules at the bottom of their hooves for granular jamming, certainly they can have collapsing layered/accordion-like bones.

What do you think of the way the animation and physical anatomy of the ponies?

 

Something about this show that we must admit is that... it uses Flash animation and some pretty basic, large, soft designs for easier animation

 

There's quite a few animations, poses, facial expressions, things that the pony and equine characters do, but especially the pony characters do that... has variable aesthetic appeal visually.

 

Do you ever feel that you have trouble getting a feel for exactly where their limb joints are located? I imagine that the ponies have skeletons and bones, but sometimes, the actions they make with their hooves start to use cheap cartoony anatomical inconsistency and their front limbs in particular start acting like human arms with functioning elbows.

 

The picking up of things with hooves I don't mind, since it is depicted so blatantly that we have to just assume that their is some unspoken granular jamming or some suction mechanism at the bottom of their hooves, but there's quite a few other things with the animation and anatomy.

 

What bugs you, and what anatomical aspects. bodily design aspects do you like?

 

I do like it that she show bothers to animate their manes moving around and bouncing around realistically.

It's pretty cool indeed  :grin2: 

 

Though I prefer more the Rarity one 

 

 

I just realized that there isn't enough of an appreciation for bouncing hair in this fandom. It's actually one of the cutest animation aspects, It should be, like, the moving-image equivalent of wet manes; something we see in the show, to be somewhat fetishistic about.

 

Also, technically, why is Rainbow Dash trotting? She is depicted flying constantly in the show, we hardly ever see her trot anywhere.

Honestly I don't know how many there are. In a fandom like this there are bound to be many conflicting opinions so there may only be a small number that is actually held by a majority. In that case, most uses of the phrase would be wrong.

 

I try to be cautious when using a phrase like 'general consensus' because I usually haven't the means to see whether or not the claim is true (or simply can't be bothered to verify it). Whenever I do use it it's either because I'm absolutely certain there is a consensus, or because I want to make myself seem more important than I am because I feel my opinion might be met with a lot of hatred.

Well I'm pretty sure most of us here know the difference between "general consensus" and something like "univerally regarded as". "General consensus" has the disclaimer of "general" right in there.

 

We cannot possibly know exact pecentages, and most polls we can conduct will be limited to one forum, to whoever happens to see a poll and vote in it, but we can make educated guesses if at least more than half of the fandon thinks some thought.

 

Probably at least 70% of the fandom likes Hurricane Fluttershy. That's a pretty safe guess.

Hello @GuillermoGage!

 

As this topic seems more about the concept of fandom opinions rather than specific opinions on the show or an aspect of the show,I have moved this to Sugarcube Corner which is more suited for fandom-related topics like this.

 

Thank you and have a good day.

Yeah I didn't know which one it should go into.

 

Sometimes I openly mention that in my opening posts, sometimes I don't.

 

..So yeah, people g'head and talk about... like, the comics

 

(Now that I think about it, I actually put this in Show Discussion because I was worried that some of the "general consensus" discussion would get into squicky, bitter territory about how we think people outside the fandom see us as, debates about the very nature of the term "Brony", opinions on EqG, opinions on professionally-made documentaries about the fandom, and such. But maybe that won't utterly dominate this thread in a bad way!) 

Wait, I'm confused here. Did you create the thread to discuss the existence of a general consensus in the fandom, or to debate about the use of the phrase itself?

 

If it's about the use of the phrase itself...I'm not entirely sure what to say, really. I'm not entirely sure where 'elitism' comes into it either; is it the choice of words or something?

 

Sorry if both these things are completely unrelated to what you mean, I'm just trying to get some clarity while also attempting to stay on-topic.

It's about both.

It's about "how many general consenses do you personally think there are? And how often do you see that phrase get used where you reckon it is false?

 

Indeed, we must keep in mind that, if we have come across increasing evidence that there IS a general consensus about something, that we can differentiate between insisting that "no that is not the majority opinion!" and "well, from what I can see, it probably is the majority opinion, and I am comfortable with myself having the minority opinion"

 

Probably every single one of us has at least one minority opinion in terms of some opinion being at least 75 one way 25 another way.

Applejack's parents are dead.

So where's there a memey image of someone opening their mouth with a big breath, and lifting up their mouth about to talk... then then the next picture shows them closing their mouth?

 

I think there's a SpongeBob or Rage Comic depicting such an expression.

But I also reckon that this communicates a similar feeling.

 

After that, I'd probably just settle for giving you a "touché."

Wait, I'm confused here. Did you create the thread to discuss the existence of a general consensus in the fandom, or to debate about the use of the phrase itself?

 

In the first case: There are certain opinions global enough to be held by the majority of the fandom, so to say there is a general consensus on some parts of the show would not be wrong.

Mkay bruh.

Name one. Name something that you think is a general consensus in this fandom.

 

The only one that I can think of off the top of my head is "Apple Bloom is particularly cute, even among MLPFiM."

I'm making this thread because just a few minutes ago I was in the "Friendship is Magic" series premiere two-parter and I saw the phrase "general consensus" get used in regard to it.  In terms of it being "weird" or "cheesy" and that "well we respect it for being the starting it all".

 

... Anyone who has been on forums and stuff has probably figured out that hardly any of the even most simple opinions are totally universal. (One example could be "all of the Mane 6 are cute"*) This is true of any large fandom.

 

... but even a phrase such as "general consensus"? It doesn't even seem to make sense for this fandom. Maybe some... other fandom. One that's more "elitist".

 

* upon people who don't watch the show at a certain level of ... intensity or haven't seen some/most episodes at last a second time... certain more subtle styles/acts/instances of cuteness... they might not have noticed coming from the less "traditionally/blatantly cute Mane 6.

 

This thread is probably already a tense liability, durr hurr.

 

 

After watching the first four episodes in the summer of 2011 one day, I either considered adding a deviantART tagline "is probably a Brony now.", and then either didn't do it or did do it and then took it off within a day later.

 

I didn't watch another episode until December 2011, sometime after the 20th. That episode was "Winter Wrap Up" and then I was fully won over into being a Brony, and ended up watching many more episodes over the months.

The Rarity micro-comic, titled "How Rarity Got Her Groovy Back", followed closely by Zen and the Art of Gazebo Repair, the two-part story about Big Mac.

I've read the first five volumes worth of mainline stories,(that's the first seven mainline stories), the whole ten of the initial micro-series, and what I reckon are the first four Friends Forevers (Pinkie&AJ, CMCs&Discord, Celestia&Spike, and Twilie&Shining); they are collected in a "Volume 1".

It's just the passive aggressive way of referring to anyone who likes seasons 1 and 2 and not the others when you want to act superior to anyone with a different opinion.

I reckon I did indeed use the phrase "Season 1 and 2 loyalists", but it doesn't strike me as a "passive aggressive" phrase. I'm not sure of what other short phrase to use that isn't inherently divisive-sounding other than the long phrase "people who prefer Seasons 1 and 2".

 

I guess it reminds people of Loyalists during the time of the American Revolution/colonial times?

 

And I did use the phrase "Lauren-Faustian" multiple times... but I personally did not have any real emotion invested in that phrasing.

I was attributing that to those who wold challenge your view on something that you hold a contrary opinion on. There usually is a lot of tribalism and cb in the motivation of those who would bully someone into submitting to their view.

I'm pretty sure that confirmation bias is when people believe something, and then only look for information that supports that belief.

 

But maybe you are also describing that.. in a roundabout way?

It's perfectly sensible to change your own opinions if you legit agree with someone who can make you see things differently. No shame in that.

 

Just make sure you aren't changing your opinion because of peer pressure. That's just dumb.

As for the first part of what you said, legitimate seeing things another way. CinemaSins sometimes.

Because of peer pressure.. indeed I ain't.

Outside of FiM, I like Pixar's Cars 2.

I'm confused as to the direction of this topic BUT just like what you like. No one can tell you what you should and shouldn't like or even why.

 

Fluttershy is a terrible character though. </opinions>

But it's hard to not listen to people. What if they have a good point and then I realize how bad something is after the fact?

Fight the confirmation bias. Like what you life and stand proud!

Confirmation bias is the exact opposite of what you are describing. To fight one's own confirmation bias, they would be willing to look at information that challenges their beliefs.

Apparently I'm supposed to hate Rainbow Falls

As well as the "out-of-character Fluttershy" in Putting Your Hoof Down.

It sounds like some people could have only been satisfied if the entire show just ended at the end of season 2 or even season 1. Because for them, nothing's really ever good enough.

That's kinda my point as well.

 

MLP may have had been focusing on episodes with good morals and stuff especially at the beginning when the had to work within the e/i label, but keeping up with that is hard.

 

Most sitcoms and SpongeBob-y and Simpson-y cartoons can remain funny while also sticking to the same formula because the don't have to worry about having to enrich a little kid audience.

 

Continuity, character development that actually stays, and stuff challenges kid's minds. The arcs and stuff are every bit as much for them as it is for us, if not moreso.

 

So yeah, these S1&2 loyalists have the choice of ending the show when the world of MLP is just beginning, or come up with more episode ideas themselves or otherwise demonstrate that there's another 26 or even more episode ideas left that have a "Dear Princess Celestia" thing going on.

EDIT: here's a link.

 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rarity+i+love+being+covered+in+maud&iax=1&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Ffc03.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2014%2F074%2F5%2Ff%2Frarity_i_love_being_covered_in_maud_by_chaoticnote-d7acv5m.jpg

 

I don't feel like looking for it now, but there's a image somewhere of Rarity as that weird hick that she turned into in Simple Ways with the caption "I LOVE BEING COVERED IN MAUD!" with the screenshot of her at that moment being covered with over a dozen tiny Maud Pies. EDIT: I counted twelve Mauds now; it's exactly one dozen.

So... five episodes later and whenever that image got made, Simple Ways, while being unfunny in and of itself, it's existence caused the eventual creation of a joke that I laughed at.

Well it's a better theory than the "her parents are dead for the drama" theory that seems to be disturbingly popular. Just like the one where she'll never ever be able to fly. Does the fandom hate her and I'm the one of the few left out of the loop or something?

She's the Meg Griffin of My Little Pony. Even moreso than Spike on his worst days. Durr hurr.

Man I tell ya, if you try hard to appease me of all people, you'll wind up with like 10 episodes at most between the two seasons...

I hope you get some opinions from other people ^^;

Well well, then. Are all "like 10" of those episodes possible to exist without AliTwi? (By "the two seasons" indeed you refer to S3 and S4 I reckon)

 

... then we can have an arcless "like 10" episode season that suddenly ends... and then the whole series goes on indefinite hiatus with no new episodes in a long time and MLP:FiM gradually becomes more and more of an Invader Zim-style cult hit over time.

 

It starts to get a reputation similar to that of Family Guy or Arrested Development, which prompts the eventual creation of a fourth and final season ending in a movie where Twilight becomes an alicorn princess.

 

And then the fandom will resemble some Joss Whedon fandom. Whether that is a good thing, or something else... I wouldn't know for sure, I'm not very familiar with his fandom-inducing works, I just know his fanbase is rather close-knit.