Love and Forgiveness (Warning: contains Naruto spoilers)

[Titan Rising 2,156]

So reading Naruto many weeks ago a chapter came out and got me thinking a bit.

 

 

 

 

These two are brothers. Sasuke (the one on the left) is out to destroy their home and kill everyone in their village, and Itachi (on the right) says even if he does that he will love him forever, no matter what, though it is against his wishes.

 

This got me thinking - at what point would you be unable to love or forgive someone on the street for an action they committed? At what point would you be unable to love or forgive someone you had loved with all your heart for something they have done? And do you think there is a difference? Or does an act of violence warrant punishment and resentment no matter who the perpetrator is?

Edited September 6, 2012 by Hollowshield

[Driz 1,552]

I think forgiveness is something that should be applied as often as possible, especially between family and friends. I've never experienced such a hard-to-forgive situation before, and I don't know how far someone needs to go for me to hold a grudge.

 

I personally think it's easier to forgive a stranger though, simply because little you know about him/her, so you can't really expect much. You can get hurt much worse when you get disappointed by a best friend or a family member - someone you thought you could trust - and it should be indeed very hard to forgive. But again, the act of forgiveness and giving a second chance is something that proves how strong your spirit are, and how much you care for those around you.

[Titan Rising 2,156]

That is an interesting point drizzlestar although I think for forgiving a stranger theres also not so much incentive to forgive them as there is for a friend. You probably don't care about some stranger on the street, but when you're betrayed by a friend or a family member I think a part of you still wants to be there friend, if that makes sense

[PonyEcho 1,610]

i think forgiveness is a very hard thing to do and people who say that its easy are the ones who have not experience great pain inflicted by an other both physical or mental.

 

when i came out as a homosexual (which i was at the time) both myself and my boyfriend were assaulted by a group of people i had a brick smashed in my face which was the worst i suffered and my boyfriend was hospitalized. now when i got out of the hospital i didn't do anything because i knew the police would do there job and arrest them, i wasn't exactly going to forgive them.

however when they went on trial for GBH only one of the 5 men responsible was jailed for 2 years, needless to say i was pissed, but i didn't do anything (unlike my other family members sadly)

and that was all what happened first i'm not gonna talk about the verbal assaults i got and the one time i snapped and attacked a guy (who did deserved it .)

 

also forgiving a stranger means that they did nothing that involved you (other wise they wouldn't be strangers), meaning you have no right to forgive the person for the action they inflicted on others. its like when you open up a newspaper and see a article about a honor killing were a women murdered the man who raped her all you can rely do is pass you own opinion and judgement you cant exactly say i forgive the stranger for what she did. (now i feel i'm getting of topic)

 

 

any way i'll just say this Forgiveness is a gift given to the ones who deserve it and not everyone should be entitled to it and we have no right to judge, who forgives who.

 

 

EDIT:

i also feel the need to give some Naruto knowledge,the motivation for that was because of what Itachi did (slaughtered his entire family apart from Sasuke ) and his motivations behind that there was also Saskue isn't being told the whole truth and is being manipulated

also the quote "you don't have to forgive me" is mainly due to the knowledge that Itachi doesn't forgive himself so why should anyone else. but this is all naruto rambling so ill just make one final point for anyone who is completely up to date with naruto.

 

I TOTALLY CALLED IT!!! *does little dance*

Edited September 6, 2012 by PonyEcho

[Titan Rising 2,156]

@@PonyEcho

 

With respect to this topic stranger is just mean to mean anyone who you aren't very familiar with.

 

Also I disagree that "you have no right to forgive the person for the action they inflicted on others". To say that is to say that you can not pass any judgement on their actions at all, it's almost saying something like: "I am not able to condemn or forgive you because I didn't know the child you killed very well". Your forgiveness wouldn't really be significant to anyone but it is sort of meaningful to yourself i think.

 

And thanks for the additional context behind the scene, I was going to write it out but I didn't really feel like it was necessary for the thread, the main thing I wanted to get behind was the fact Itachi would love him forever even if Sasuke went against everything he stood for

Edited September 6, 2012 by Hollowshield

[PonyEcho 1,610]

@@PonyEcho

 

With respect to this topic stranger is just mean to mean anyone who you aren't very familiar with.

 

Also I disagree that "you have no right to forgive the person for the action they inflicted on others". To say that is to say that you can not pass any judgement on their actions at all, it's almost saying something like: "I am not able to condemn or forgive you because I didn't know the child you killed very well". Your forgiveness wouldn't really be significant to anyone but it is sort of meaningful to yourself i think.

 

what i ment by

"you have no right to forgive the person for the action they inflicted on others" along with the example is that you cant rely forgive because you are in now way involved, all you can do is have a long think about it and give you own judgement and your own opinion. along it the knowledge that the justice system will pass judgment.

 

also my example still counts because i didn't know the guys who attacked my until after so can you rely say that part of what i said be disregarded

also i kind see were this is all going so this will be my last post here... with respect .

Edited September 6, 2012 by PonyEcho

[Finesthour 7,287]

Hmm... honestly, I think I may no longer love someone that was close to me if they slept with someone while they were with me.

I am the kind of guy who can be forgiving, but that is just utter disregard for another persons heart and trust.

 

And for a random person on the street... when did I love them in the first place?