Plotholes: are you in denial or not?

[ceresbane 61]

I like mlp. It is a witty and quite funny filled with many cultural references that enriches an otherwise average show,

 

I would often say that mlp is great show in a scene by scene basis. We all have our favourite moments (and hence why mlp clips are popular as hell in youtube) and they burn like a brand in our memories because they stand out in the episode more than anything else.

 

However as you look at the show as a whole with it's canon and plot (and its advertising campaign). You begin to see quite clearly why mlp is indeed a kid's show.

 

To this day kid's show producers and writers follow the age-old philosophy. Kids are stupid, they'll like anything. So why work hard to please?

 

We've all seen them and we tend to affectionately laugh at them. Animation errors? Yeah most bronies will go lol. Thats funny.

 

But talk about the story flaws.... oooooh dayum... you must be a troll.

 

I created a series that shows these plotholes of the show (I have five eps due to laziness than lack of things to riff on)

 

here is my ep1-Dear princess celestia: friendship is lies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5TPwv7J1_M

 

heres one about animation errors-mistakes are forever

watch?v=iJDqrmoSXe4

 

heres one about adverts-Luna watches the Celestia video

/watch?v=0kLR1UQyS9w

 

Are you seriously gonna stay in denial good brony?

[Dusty Soul 2,612]

See here's the thing. I enjoy the show as a whole, because I just want a good story. I found that it has a GREAT story line with characters that are complex enough not to challenge the intelligence of the viewer. I also found that the advertising for the show is pretty awesome. They advertised it with parodies of Bridesmaids, and Poltergeist. No kid will ever get that. I will not deny that it is a kids show, because that's what it's supposed to be. I'm just happy they didn't change it to suit an older audience. So, it really doesn't bug me that it is a kids show.

[Retro*Derpy 3,196]

I know they have animation errors, but every show does, especially spongebob. I noticed AJ freckles missing when she runs, and a few other things but that never made the show bad for me. But MLP isn't a kid show because it has errors, hell look at some adult shows they have errors and that doesn't make it a kid show...

[Starshine 16,335]

Animation errors and plotholes? Never bothered me enough to left the show forever :*

 

The show surely was intended to be a kid's show, whoever to say otherwise needs a good spank to the head, but it won't stop us from loving it.

 

What is there to be denied anyway?

[ceresbane 61]

See here's the thing. I enjoy the show as a whole, because I just want a good story. I found that it has a GREAT story line with characters that are complex enough not to challenge the intelligence of the viewer. I also found that the advertising for the show is pretty awesome. They advertised it with parodies of Bridesmaids, and Poltergeist. No kid will ever get that. I will not deny that it is a kids show, because that's what it's supposed to be. I'm just happy they didn't change it to suit an older audience. So, it really doesn't bug me that it is a kids show.

 

great story?

 

guards up the wazzo all across canterlot. changelings attack... suddenly no guards.

 

rarity suggests they support RD in young fliers competition. Later crushes her confidence by outshining her with no regard to her insecurities. She just happened to fly too close to the sun. But if she didn't? the hypocrisy would be even more clear.

 

AJ is a chronic liar

 

RD is constantly abandoning friends (dragon mountain RD reccomends they leave flutters behind. last round up... RD says to carry on after rarity and pinkie fall off the carriage)

 

just to errr... name a few.

 

Butthurt?

inb4

[Dusty Soul 2,612]

great story?

 

guards up the wazzo all across canterlot. changelings attack... suddenly no guards.

 

rarity suggests they support RD in young fliers competition. Later crushes her confidence by outshining her with no regard to her insecurities. She just happened to fly too close to the sun. But if she didn't? the hypocrisy would be even more clear.

AJ is a chronic liar

 

RD is constantly abandoning friends (dragon mountain RD reccomends they leave flutters behind. last round up... RD says to carry on after rarity and pinkie fall off the carriage)

 

just to errr... name a few.

 

Butthurt?

inb4

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pFvWJ89Tgg

 

Yes those are all true, but those are the characters personalities. They have flaws and they are shown, and I love how the writers show that the characters have flaws, and are not all perfect. The guards thing has been discussed before. I think it's about as easy to explain why Celestia didn't help them in "Secret of My Excess" and sent the wonderbolts instead. These add to the story, and give personalities to the characters.

[ceresbane 61]

Animation errors and plotholes? Never bothered me enough to left the show forever :*

 

The show surely was intended to be a kid's show, whoever to say otherwise needs a good spank to the head, but it won't stop us from loving it.

 

What is there to be denied anyway?

 

you get a kick out of this.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQxKJglcbo8

 

brony white knight in comments

 

"If anything, this is a continuity error, and nothing to get your hooves in a twist over. And she DOES end up throwing a party for Cranky(a mini-party, really), just as she did for Twilight. She just went a bit out of order in her "make a friend" formula, in Twilight's case."

 

completely denies the fact that I just showed pinkie has NEVER done said things before until that ep. and oes off into some logic tangent that is wholly unrelated to the given point.

 

that's denial for ya

 

Yes those are all true, but those are the characters personalities. They have flaws and they are shown, and I love how the writers show that the characters have flaws, and are not all perfect. The guards thing has been discussed before. I think it's about as easy to explain why Celestia didn't help them in "Secret of My Excess" and sent the wonderbolts instead. These add to the story, and give personalities to the characters.

 

okay let's be logical here. I'm hearing you and looking at the plot objectively but I really don't see what it "adds" besides plotholes that make me go...

 

"okay that made no sense."

 

and there are other ways to make a theme characterisation more well-rounded.

 

read any decent fanfic as an example.

 

For example RD is loyal, she would die for her friends. But she would not hesitate to lie to them (sonic rainboom) to save face. She would has no quarrels putting down a person to make herself look good (trixie and mare do well ep). But she would never suggest leaving a friend behind,

 

That gives a well rounded character with flaws... but it doesn't contradict canon that she is a loyal pony. that she is the element of loyalty.

[Dusty Soul 2,612]

 

okay let's be logical here. I'm hearing you and looking at the plot objectively but I really don't see what it "adds" besides plotholes that make me go...

 

"okay that made no sense."

 

and there are other ways to make a theme characterisation more well-rounded.

 

read any decent fanfic as an example.

 

For example RD is loyal, she would die for her friends. But she would not hesitate to lie to them (sonic rainboom) to save face. She would has no quarrels putting down a person to make herself look good (trixie and mare do well ep). But she would never suggest leaving a friend behind,

 

That gives a well rounded character with flaws... but it doesn't contradict canon that she is a loyal pony. that she is the element of loyalty.

 

What you have just described is the canon character of RD is it not, I say this because that is exactly what Rainbow Dash is. Rarity as you said has a greed problem, and Fluttershy has sometimes went Flutterbitch on the world. These are the flaws I'm talking about. They don't always follow their element, because just as we do, they make mistakes. I see what your saying, but I just have to (kinda) disagree.

[Starshine 16,335]

that's denial for ya

Since the biggest can of shit called The Mysterious Mare Do Well, we all already know that the writer didn't have any interest to keep the continuity :/

 

Ponyville suddenly transformed into a disaster zone with death ramp and unkempt construction sites and huge water dam, when previous episodes clearly show that Ponyville is a very flat city with no visible hills and little to no hints of industrialization

 

There is a lot of plotholes, thanks to the fact that there are more than one writers behind the scene, each writer to their own headcanon. Not to mention each of the mane six somehow changed personality when a certain writer shows up.

 

I guess I can see your point there, but that's not enough to keep us from loving the show

Edited September 20, 2012 by Star Weaver

[ceresbane 61]

What you have just described is the canon character of RD is it not, I say this because that is exactly what Rainbow Dash is. Rarity as you said has a greed problem, and Fluttershy has sometimes went Flutterbitch on the world. These are the flaws I'm talking about. They don't always follow their element, because just as we do, they make mistakes. I see what your saying, but I just have to (kinda) disagree.

 

no... because I left out the canon part of RD being prone to leaving friends behind and leaving them to danger. She does that.

 

but alright, more rounded characterisation and more human personality... a valid point... If this wasn't apparent.

 

She is the ELEMENT, the living incarnation of loyalty and as such chosen by the elements of harmony to harness the magic of that to summon forth the elements to save the day.

 

So if RD is in fact not that loyal. wtf does that have to say about established canon and equestrian mythos? And by extension, the moral message here?

 

You can play the double standard and say it's a kid's show and hence it does have these flaws (naturally) and turn around that it is in fact great that it has these flaws because it has more well-rounded characterisation (a very adult and mature style in characterisation) as it undermines the kids show point from a moral stand point.

 

you are basically suggesting that mlp is so avant-guard as a kid's show because it shows the greyness of morality and how malleable it is in a post-modern world.

 

no! just no! If it's a show about teaching kids morals, a decent kid's show would get it's morals straight. You just can't disagree with that. Not because its subjective, but no its mainly because that is common sense.

 

Since the biggest can of shit called The Mysterious Mare Do Well, we all already know that the writer didn't have any interest to keep the continuity :/

 

 

 

There is a lot of plotholes, thanks to the fact that there are more than one writers behind the scene, each writer to their own headcanon. Not to mention each of the mane six somehow changed personality when a certain writer shows up.

 

I guess I can see your point there, but that's not enough to keep us from loving the show

 

why do I get this reaction? why am I being labelled a hater here?

 

I'm not trying to say "this show sux.. you should hate and feel bad that you like it."

 

What I'm after is that YOU, know EXACTLY why you like the show. If you do, I would get a nice measured response like this. I applaud this. It's amazingly rare to see.

 

I like the show because from a microscale-looking at it scene by scene... it can be hilarious and witty. But from a grand scale either from a season or full series scale to even a single episode scale. It rears it's flawed and ugly head with moral messages that, given a it of thought.... are freakin scary considering kids will be taking these lessons (even the ones not sent to celestia) to heart.

 

Due to Rarity's example. It's suddenly okay to be a hypocrite. I mean... that's fucked up man.

[Dusty Soul 2,612]

no... because I left out the canon part of RD being prone to leaving friends behind and leaving them to danger. She does that.

 

but alright, more rounded characterisation and more human personality... a valid point... If this wasn't apparent.

 

She is the ELEMENT, the living incarnation of loyalty and as such chosen by the elements of harmony to harness the magic of that to summon forth the elements to save the day.

 

So if RD is in fact not that loyal. wtf does that have to say about established canon and equestrian mythos? And by extension, the moral message here?

 

You can play the double standard and say it's a kid's show and hence it does have these flaws (naturally) and turn around that it is in fact great that it has these flaws because it has more well-rounded characterisation (a very adult and mature style in characterisation) as it undermines the kids show point from a moral stand point.

 

you are basically suggesting that mlp is so avant-guard as a kid's show because it shows the greyness of morality and how malleable it is in a post-modern world.

 

no! just no! If it's a show about teaching kids morals, a decent kid's show would get it's morals straight. You just can't disagree with that. Not because its subjective, but no its mainly because that is common sense.

 

 

 

why do I get this reaction? why am I being labelled a hater here?

 

I'm not trying to say "this show sux.. you should hate and feel bad that you like it."

 

What I'm after is that YOU, know EXACTLY why you like the show. If you do, I would get a nice measured response like this. I applaud this. It's amazingly rare to see.

 

I like the show because from a microscale-looking at it scene by scene... it can be hilarious and witty. But from a grand scale either from a season or full series scale to even a single episode scale. It rears it's flawed and ugly head with moral messages that, given a it of thought.... are freakin scary considering kids will be taking these lessons (even the ones not sent to celestia) to heart.

 

Due to Rarity's example. It's suddenly okay to be a hypocrite. I mean... that's fucked up man.

 

Ok I have something to say about the last part that you replied to Star Weaver. Were not calling you hater bro, were just telling you our opinions on the subject at hand. From what you say is a good response, your saying everyone needs to agree with you. That's just not going to work out. People have differing opinions on these subjects, and were just defending our positions doing a debate. Again, were not calling you a hater, were just telling you our opinions on the subject.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,788]

Yes, there are plot holes everywhere, but does this series really need an incredibly complex world and story? I think not.

 

Even with plot holes it is still better than 90% of television.....

[Titan Rising 2,156]

I don't understand why everyone throws around the word plotholes so much. None of these are actual plotholes. Animation mistakes aren't plotholes, the characters not learning a lesson is not a plothole. The only thing that is is twilight saying celestia was the only alicorn but I really don't even care about something so small

[Starshine 16,335]

why do I get this reaction? why am I being labelled a hater here?

Holy muffin I never said that D:

 

It's perfectly fine to debunk your favorite show. Some people here even do that on a daily basis (at least when the season is going, right now they're not that active)

 

I'm just saying that I agree about the part where the show don't have any single continuity going on, and I said it's the multiple writers to blame for that.

[FriedWater 2]

I'm not the most critical of people. I never notice plot holes but have been made aware of them early on. With the multiple writers working individually and that they seem to be making up the story and adding backstory as they go along I supposed it was inevitable that the narrative consistency would suffer, which is too bad. At least it's still fun to watch.

[ceresbane 61]

Ok I have something to say about the last part that you replied to Star Weaver. Were not calling you hater bro, were just telling you our opinions on the subject at hand. From what you say is a good response, your saying everyone needs to agree with you. That's just not going to work out. People have differing opinions on these subjects, and were just defending our positions doing a debate. Again, were not calling you a hater, were just telling you our opinions on the subject.

 

hahaha

 

not a word went in eh.

 

I'm challenging your oppinion because it has an incomplete thought process. Contradicting itself on the crossroads or going off on a logical tangent that leads to an obscure conclusion.

 

(like your latest one)

 

Yes, there are plot holes everywhere, but does this series really need an incredibly complex world and story? I think not.

 

Even with plot holes it is still better than 90% of television.....

 

No. It doesn't need to be. It's a kid's show. It doesn't need to be that complex.

 

But suddenly, Twilight has a brother out of nowhere, a new race appears out of nowhere for season 3, suddenly third alicorn! I'm not the one demanding more complicated plot here, it's the writers that are doing that all by themselves.

 

I can see why you think I am with my highly detailed analysis of plot. But guess what? It's like that because it was needlessly made that way.

[AnonBrony 1,468]

no... because I left out the canon part of RD being prone to leaving friends behind and leaving them to danger. She does that.

 

but alright, more rounded characterisation and more human personality... a valid point... If this wasn't apparent.

 

She is the ELEMENT, the living incarnation of loyalty and as such chosen by the elements of harmony to harness the magic of that to summon forth the elements to save the day.

 

So if RD is in fact not that loyal. wtf does that have to say about established canon and equestrian mythos? And by extension, the moral message here?

 

You can play the double standard and say it's a kid's show and hence it does have these flaws (naturally) and turn around that it is in fact great that it has these flaws because it has more well-rounded characterisation (a very adult and mature style in characterisation) as it undermines the kids show point from a moral stand point.

 

you are basically suggesting that mlp is so avant-guard as a kid's show because it shows the greyness of morality and how malleable it is in a post-modern world.

 

no! just no! If it's a show about teaching kids morals, a decent kid's show would get it's morals straight. You just can't disagree with that. Not because its subjective, but no its mainly because that is common sense.

 

*sigh* The key key to a conversation is to disagree without being disagreeable

 

I See the points your are making, and the stand you are making. However.

 

"you are basically suggesting that mlp is so avant-guard as a kid's show because it shows the greyness of morality and how malleable it is in a post-modern world."

 

That is Not what he is saying at all. He is saying thats ok. That these characters have flaws. The greatest perfection, is imperfection. The characters having flaws is what makes them, wle.. them. Makes the not have 2D personalitys. It doesn't have the falws just cuz its a Kids show. The characters having these flaws is what makes them great. You however think that just because the show has some errors and the characters having flaws is so terrible, that we are in fact in denile.

 

*Shakes head* No. That is not the case here.

 

Just cuz the characters have some flaws doesn't mean it shows the "greyness of morality". Yes i know, the shows is suposed to have morals of cuz these characters have flaws you are saying it aint tecahing the kids nothin'. But thats what you think.

It still shows that friendship is very important, and all those other morals i don't feel like listing. It still shows that having loyalty and honesty are good things, even if the characters don't always follow them. It also shows that not everyone can be perfect, but even with those imperfections you can still be friends. friends fight, friends disagree, Somtimes they aint always generous or honest or loyal or whatever, but in the end they can still be firends after all the drama, and they learn something.

And thats also another thing, the writer have to give these character these flaw in order to have a lesson at the end. Its all for the purpose of a good story or plot or writing. Having problems is the key to a story, so maybe somepony lied, or whatever. In the end they are still Them, Rianbow still loyal, Rarity can still be generous, whatever, u get the point.

Another point, if the characters did have these flaws, their personalitys would be crappy, like any old kids show, the ones where we can't stand to watch. Its a good thing they have flaws, and it aint getting rid of the message.

 

They have these flaws, for the purpose of writing or to show that maybe not everyones perfect, it not saying to kids that its ok to lie and crap. Its not negating the moral. It shows how good the shows writing is, how problems can be solved through friendship, and all that.

And if you can't see that, then well, open your mind up a bit will ya?

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,788]

 

 

hahaha

 

not a word went in eh.

 

I'm challenging your oppinion because it has an incomplete thought process. Contradicting itself on the crossroads or going off on a logical tangent that leads to an obscure conclusion.

 

(like your latest one)

 

 

 

No. It doesn't need to be. It's a kid's show. It doesn't need to be that complex.

 

But suddenly, Twilight has a brother out of nowhere, a new race appears out of nowhere for season 3, suddenly third alicorn! I'm not the one demanding more complicated plot here, it's the writers that are doing that all by themselves.

 

I can see why you think I am with my highly detailed analysis of plot. But guess what? It's like that because it was needlessly made that way.

 

Okay, I will admit that season 3 sounds strange, though I am still getting through seasons 1 and 2, I am only halfway through 1 so far, so I will save my speculation until after I finish them.

[ceresbane 61]

*sigh* The key key to a conversation is to disagree without being disagreeable

 

I See the points your are making, and the stand you are making. However.

 

"you are basically suggesting that mlp is so avant-guard as a kid's show because it shows the greyness of morality and how malleable it is in a post-modern world."

 

That is Not what he is saying at all. He is saying thats ok. That these characters have flaws. The greatest perfection, is imperfection. The characters having flaws is what makes them, wle.. them. Makes the not have 2D personalitys. It doesn't have the falws just cuz its a Kids show. The characters having these flaws is what makes them great. You however think that just because the show has some errors and the characters having flaws is so terrible, that we are in fact in denile.

 

*Shakes head* No. That is not the case here.

 

Just cuz the characters have some flaws doesn't mean it shows the "greyness of morality". Yes i know, the shows is suposed to have morals of cuz these characters have flaws you are saying it aint tecahing the kids nothin'. But thats what you think.

It still shows that friendship is very important, and all those other morals i don't feel like listing. It still shows that having loyalty and honesty are good things, even if the characters don't always follow them. It also shows that not everyone can be perfect, but even with those imperfections you can still be friends. friends fight, friends disagree, Somtimes they aint always generous or honest or loyal or whatever, but in the end they can still be firends after all the drama, and they learn something.

And thats also another thing, the writer have to give these character these flaw in order to have a lesson at the end. Its all for the purpose of a good story or plot or writing. Having problems is the key to a story, so maybe somepony lied, or whatever. In the end they are still Them, Rianbow still loyal, Rarity can still be generous, whatever, u get the point.

Another point, if the characters did have these flaws, their personalitys would be crappy, like any old kids show, the ones where we can't stand to watch. Its a good thing they have flaws, and it aint getting rid of the message.

 

They have these flaws, for the purpose of writing or to show that maybe not everyones perfect, it not saying to kids that its ok to lie and crap. Its not negating the moral. It shows how good the shows writing is, how problems can be solved through friendship, and all that.

And if you can't see that, then well, open your mind up a bit will ya?

 

now can you honestly say a little girl of about 7 or 10 can get all that from the show? By your stand point, they would have to to hold any weight.

 

I can however say that yes, kids can indeed gather those things from a show. I have with 90s tv as a kid and went...ok that made no sense. Or other times did something when I was young thinking it was right because the "good guys" did it.

 

Kids however, won't gather that flawed characterisation means anything but that.

 

And you suppose alot about my stand point on a flawed character vs 2D character.

 

let's try some 90s tv.

 

Batman Tas.

 

batman will beat up the bad guys.

he'll solve crimes by the clues he's given.

he threaten, trick and scare people.

but he won't kill.

he won't involve innocent people

he won't admit that he's outmatched.

 

now let's have your stand point on a 3d character.

suddenly RD is the joker.

 

that's my stand point on mlp characterisation. you seriously think I'm drawing on strawmen here. But seriously listen to yourself before you throw that claim. you didn't even read on my comment on characterisation properly before you made a comment on it.

Edited September 20, 2012 by ceresbane

[Titan Rising 2,156]

No. It doesn't need to be. It's a kid's show. It doesn't need to be that complex.

 

But suddenly, Twilight has a brother out of nowhere, a new race appears out of nowhere for season 3, suddenly third alicorn! I'm not the one demanding more complicated plot here, it's the writers that are doing that all by themselves.

 

I can see why you think I am with my highly detailed analysis of plot. But guess what? It's like that because it was needlessly made that way.

 

Honestly dude, don't you think you're taking this a little too seriously? There are things in life you should take seriously, but I really don't think a cartoon meant to make you smile and laugh is one of them.

[ceresbane 61]

Honestly dude, don't you think you're taking this a little too seriously? There are things in life you should take seriously, but I really don't think a cartoon meant to make you smile and laugh is one of them.

 

using that get out jail card is almost as bad as throwing love and tolerance around.

 

Many things can be said about the things we do in the internet is useless. So what? I'm doing it and I'm not gonna intimidated by a lame panic phrase.

 

An "I don't know." would have been more forthwith and cordial than that cowardly phrase.

 

 

 

And you go around looking down on people making fun of you about liking "gay ponies" (yeah, you just went into the same calibre as those guys). For shame man.

Edited September 20, 2012 by ceresbane

[Arcanel 3,041]

you get a kick out of this.

 

 

 

brony white knight in comments

 

"If anything, this is a continuity error, and nothing to get your hooves in a twist over. And she DOES end up throwing a party for Cranky(a mini-party, really), just as she did for Twilight. She just went a bit out of order in her "make a friend" formula, in Twilight's case."

 

completely denies the fact that I just showed pinkie has NEVER done said things before until that ep. and oes off into some logic tangent that is wholly unrelated to the given point.

 

that's denial for ya

 

 

 

okay let's be logical here. I'm hearing you and looking at the plot objectively but I really don't see what it "adds" besides plotholes that make me go...

 

"okay that made no sense."

 

and there are other ways to make a theme characterisation more well-rounded.

 

read any decent fanfic as an example.

 

For example RD is loyal, she would die for her friends. But she would not hesitate to lie to them (sonic rainboom) to save face. She would has no quarrels putting down a person to make herself look good (trixie and mare do well ep). But she would never suggest leaving a friend behind,

 

That gives a well rounded character with flaws... but it doesn't contradict canon that she is a loyal pony. that she is the element of loyalty.

 

Well, it's either that, or you get a perfect character, OR a an evil character. Pure and simple. Since this is a kids show, they will always make the good things come out better than the bad, but this doesn't mean the bad will be left alone. How would YOU feel if the character was just as complex as, say, Dr. House? (and if you've seen the show and the character, you KNOW what I'm talking about). That guy has as many flaws as virtues, but most of the times, the bad ones rise first. But hey, it's a medical drama series. This, however, is something else. In fact, why don't you go ask any of the writers and see what THEY say? No, this isn't an insult or anything. I'm pretty sure they WOULD answer you. Already the writers have great accomplishment for getting depth into the charatcters. The fact that all of the mane 6 show things that totally oppose them as they normally means they aren't perfect, EVEN WHEN, they are SUPPOSED to represent something. The elements chose the ponies each one did, because each pony REPRESENTS the element in partucular BEST, not PERFECTLY. Otherwise, it you have perfect characters...and those don't attract so much anymore, UNLESS it's the intention, which I believe it's not the writers'. Fact is, with the opposite characteristics of each pony (and I don't necessarily mean when they are discorded, just their normal flaws), you could make A SHOW BY ITSELF, just with those.

 

On to the them of plotholes, well, tell me ONE, just ONE program EVER that DID'T have plotholes. If you can, I'll shut my mouth. But until then, any program itself is BOUND to have the plotholes. Even the most explained things have something like that. I don't think even the legendary J.R.R.Tolkien, known for having explained every single thing in his created world, escaped it. The point is to make as less plot holes as possible, sure. But this is a FANTASY world. Meaning, they don't have to explain much things. Twilight suddenly having a brother? She mentioned it herself, she had been distanced from Shining, thus memory can easily fail. No guards after changeling attack? Well, after Celestia was DEFEATED and the Mane 6 were on to the elements...well...I'm pretty sure ALL of the guards were called in to the castle, only to get trapped by Chrysalis and co. RD abandoning people? Well, she is pretty damm impatient. It's not leaving behind when you're not hurting anyone on the process. Plus, Fluttershy herself didn't want to go, and I'm sure RD knew this too. No one gets hurt. On The Last Roundup, let's mix RD's personality with the situation at hand. Do you HONESTLY think ANYONE at all, WOULD have stopped? Plus, It wasn't THAT much of a dangerous situation. If it had been MUCH more, then yes. But at that point, getting to Applejack was on everyone's mind. Otherwise, I don't think veryone would have followed that easy. AJ as a chronic liar? Well, she doesn't lie, more than omits the truth. And the only REAL lie she told, was because of Pinkie Pie's surprise party. Everything else was because she was a) too stubborn or b ) too worried about others. What would have happened if Rarity HADN'T flown near the sun? Well, for one, her final trick wouldn't have been done. The one with light. And two, even if she had won, I'm pretty sureTwilight and co. would have sermoned her. And if she also had any respect and care for RD, would have bawled her eyes out and crawled begging for forgiveness to Rainbow.

 

 

using that get out jail card is almost as bad as throwing love and tolerance around.

 

Many things can be said about the things we do in the internet is useless. So what? I'm doing it and I'm not gonna intimidated by a lame panic phrase.

 

An "I don't know." would have been more forthwith and cordial than that cowardly phrase.

 

 

 

And you go around looking down on people making fun of you about liking "gay ponies" (yeah, you just went into the same calibre as those guys). For shame man.

 

Also, dude, chillax! At elast if you don't agree with it, don't say it like that! That wasn't a "formal" way to go around it. That was just mean. And also, the hell? comparing this to the one thing you compared doesn't even make sense! That thing deals more with the judgement of people and the feelings of people, not this! Edited September 20, 2012 by Arcanel

[ceresbane 61]

Holy muffin I never said that D:

 

It's perfectly fine to debunk your favorite show. Some people here even do that on a daily basis (at least when the season is going, right now they're not that active)

 

I'm just saying that I agree about the part where the show don't have any single continuity going on, and I said it's the multiple writers to blame for that.

 

 

for the sake of confirmation. I will say that I have gathered this. And yes from a season and full series scale, canon can be challenged and reasoned by that.

 

I'll consider that addressed. (tho I will comment this. how hard is it to be imaginative with established canon? fanfic writers all over the world do it very well... and if they get it wrong ever so slightly. you can bet they're going to get their asses whooped by their peers... but official mlp writers are somehow immune?)

 

But the flaws in a single ep or a full 2 ep arc?

Those are the same writers involved and yet those plotholes are still there.

Edited September 20, 2012 by ceresbane

[AnonBrony 1,468]

now can you honestly say a little girl of about 7 or 10 can get all that from the show? By your stand point, they would have to to hold any weight.

 

I can however say that yes, kids can indeed gather those things from a show. I have with 90s tv as a kid and went...ok that made no sense. Or other times did something when I was young thinking it was right because the "good guys" did it.

 

Kids however, won't gather that flawed characterisation means anything but that.

 

And you suppose alot about my stand point on a flawed character vs 2D character.

 

let's try some 90s tv.

 

Batman Tas.

 

batman will beat up the bad guys.

he'll solve crimes by the clues he's given.

he threaten, trick and scare people.

but he won't kill.

he won't involve innocent people

he won't admit that he's outmatched.

 

now let's have your stand point on a 3d character.

suddenly RD is the joker.

 

that's my stand point on mlp characterisation. you seriously think I'm drawing on strawmen here. But seriously listen to yourself before you throw that claim. you didn't even read on my comment on characterisation properly before you made a comment on it.

 

Heheheh.

U sir have just proven my point. Thank you.

 

*slams hand*

Kids are not able to point out thses "plotholes" or "flaws"!

 

So what if RD sometimes aint loyal, so waht if Rarity is a little greedy. Kids aint gonna pick that up!

Only over analystical people... Like you!

 

Sorry for the exclaimation. its how i work in debates. I'm good at rebuttals. And Frankly my friend, u practically fell for a "trap" you can say.

Your logic contradicted it self. Your only rebuttal against him was that there was no moral. Yet, u even proclaimed its a "kids show" and said yourself, kids aint gonna pick it up. So what makes you think kids are gonna pick up on that? Only we would, but its ok if we do cuz we understand why that is. Besides you ofcourse.

 

But i was being serious, Kids aint gonna get what i have said, but we do, and that why we like it.

 

Its all for the purpose or writing, the story. It aint gonna negate the moral. Besides each episode is suposed to have a different moral. the ones where loyal for example is important i when you see RD either acting loyal, is being disloyal until the end untils he learns the lesson.

 

You just didn't understand that, U simply thought that since the show has so-called "plot-holes" that we were denying ourselves of them cuz its just a kids show. Some of them yeah cuz its a kid show, but most cuz of different writers, animators, ect ect. Also cuz of characterization and other stuff. Yadda yadda, Point is. We arn't denying these plot holes, hell it seems only u think they are that. But someof these flaws are on purpose, like the deal with the characters. Or maybe its not. Maybe some were mistakes. No ones perfect.

Not even the writers.

 

But u are taking it too seriously. Just enjoy the show. I have noticed in other threads u have created u over analyze things quit a bit. Before you do that, try and have an open mind and say "what if". What if they arn't deying it. What if these arn't actually plot holes... what if I'm wrong?

At least thats my philosophy. You don't have to agree with that. Sometimes ur opinion isn't the best or the right one, and u should always be tolerable of over opinions.

 

Anyway bro. I'm done here.

[Arcanel 3,041]

for the sake of confirmation. I will say that I have gathered this. And yes from a season and full series scale, canon can be challenged and reasoned by that.

 

I'll consider that addressed. (tho I will comment this. how hard is it to be imaginative with established canon? fanfic writers all over the world do it very well... and if they get it wrong ever so slightly. you can bet they're going to get their asses whooped by their peers... but official mlp writers are somehow immune?)

 

But the flaws in a single ep or a full 2 ep arc?

Those are the same writers involved and yet those plotholes are still there.

 

Actually, the writers have slightly changed since the show started. Not to mention, Lauren Faust's leave as main head, and passing as consultant. And the thing about fanfics? It's like that EVERYWHERE. And it's very, very weird if someone else tries to correct the writers rather than the fanfic writers. Why? Because they created the universe we have diversed in. Exent or not, we don't have a reason to go and question them when...well...the obvious things aren't that major. Any flaws that you mentioned I tried giving them a logical reason. There's a logical reason why they could HAVE happened, and there's a logical reason why NOT. It's as simple as that. And I bet you, that can happen in every other program ever done, like I said before.