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The Political Nature of Discussion


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You know how the joke goes: it's interesting how "politics" sounds as if it's a combination of "poly", meaning many, and "ticks", meaning blood-sucking creatures.

As of the S8 premiere, discussions about ponies have been curbing more toward the political side. I'm not overly surprised by this, as cartoon analytics often tie in the media they consume with the real world - as well they should, as cartoons and other media don't exist within a vacuum. The cautionary tale is not so much in the fact that real world events and politics are being related to the media we consume, but rather that the oversaturation of it is blinding us to what the episodes, and indeed the spirit of the show, are actually primarily about.

This would not be the first time that this issue will come up, and it will certainly not be the last, either. I think the problem in this lies in the assumption that events within a cartoon or any other media are actually, 100%, 1-to-1 parallels of these events and they're intended to be. The problem is that making them like this would make the media not age well, as it will comment on events that may eventually blow over as time proceeds onward, which is why I think reducing it to that can be problematic in the sense that it misses the overall message being conveyed. I am, of course, the first person who will tell you that no interpretation is wrong when it comes to media, and it's why I didn't like Fame & Misfortune, because it attempted to spread the idea there's a wrong feeling to garner about it. Rather, I'm attempting to say that authorial intent is rarely these 1-to-1 parallels as no smart writer would do that; it would date the work unless it's outright about it being that particular parallel (such as older works that specifically talk about an issue). I also find another problem is that these comparisons are, well, to be frank, they're not well thought-out, and I think that's because people oversimplify why something is good or bad, rather than actually considering why they feel that way. In other words, they listen to the authority figures that have told them this over their life, but never stopped and considered why those authority figures said that to them.

I'm not suggesting that such ideas should not be discussed, but I think some of the prevalence of these discussions can be attributed to not thinking enough into what makes a similarity, a similarity. Just because it reminds you of something, doesn't mean it's actually like that something in practice. And some of you who have thought already into what I'm saying know what I'm talking about, but for those who don't, the examples I provide you are: racism & imperialism, especially in the case of the latter.

I don't think, and would never agree with, the idea that the S8 premiere was intended to parallel any particular real world situation. Certainly, it's inspired by real world events, but it's not specifically criticizing anything (except perhaps how the school functions, which arguably parodies real school boards, but even then it's not targeting any specific school board). I also don't think the Cutie Map has any particular implication toward this, either. And I think, given some of the arguments I've seen, people are bringing in their own personal issues with the world into the episode and suggesting that the episode is saying that much. A noteworthy example, though the individual will not be named, is something regarding "white unicorns", despite Chancellor Neighsay never displaying any bias toward a particular faction of pony, nor would any bias toward colors of all things make any sense within the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic universe. And this is what I mean. As I said, there is no wrong way to interpret a work, but I do think there is a simplified way of viewing it and there's a nuanced way of viewing it, and many people seem to be taking the simplified way without considering nuance.

And that is why it's getting so heated and controversial. They're looking at an episode and suggesting it's making a statement that it may not actually be making. You could say it's an unintended side effect of the episode, which I would certainly agree in the case of other episodes, but when examining the actual context, the authorial intent rings clear as day that a political jab is probably not what they were trying to make with the premiere.

Even without that, the focus on this particular aspect of the episodes without even seeing the full season, without giving Chancellor Neighsay a chance to get the development he clearly is going to (given that he's coming back), and the discussion seems inundated with the same talking points. I've noticed that a lot of the topics about these premieres are similar. Of course, be the change you want to see, I'm aware, and making more topics of my own would probably aid to remedy the situation, but I figured it was worth making a journal entry discussing it and pointing out that it's a trend I noticed. And evidently, I wasn't the only one to have noticed it, as I've seen other journal entries and status updates of people growing frustrated with it. I'm not frustrated that politics are being related to ponies, and in fact I believe it to be inevitable. But I do think there's a possibility such discussion is not nuanced enough, and it's also not contained enough.

Those are just my thoughts, though. Feel free to let me know what you think.

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Funny. You want people to be thinking in a nuanced fashion and consider a wider range of possibilities? People are more often than not intellectually lazy ideologues who want nothing more than praise from their in-group authority figures or to advance their own position within said in-group. Nuanced thinking is simply asking too much of people. I'm only expecting to see the West -- particularly the USA -- become ever-more divided as time goes on. I'm rather excited about these divisions coming to a head down the line and I'm hoping it'll be violent. They've had their chance to stop and reflect on what is going on but at every turn, they choose to continue the division. They'll get exactly what they deserve.

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5 hours ago, Querch said:

Nuanced thinking is simply asking too much of people. I'm only expecting to see the West -- particularly the USA -- become ever-more divided as time goes on. I'm rather excited about these divisions coming to a head down the line and I'm hoping it'll be violent. They've had their chance to stop and reflect on what is going on but at every turn, they choose to continue the division. They'll get exactly what they deserve.

Well isn't that disgusting, elitist and misanthropic? :dry:

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36 minutes ago, ShadOBabe said:

Well isn't that disgusting, elitist and misanthropic? :dry:

But no less true :icwudt:

Come, my dear, surely you've been paying attention to the nature of political discourse as of late. The disease hasn't spared this little community either -- it's the reason why the Debate Pit has earned its infamy. More and more, politics brings out the worst in us. In all my years looking over political discussion, I always find this common thread: political factions that are diametrically opposed to one another in ideology hate each other and I've only seen this get worse. Whether it's conservatives vs liberals, communists vs fascists, etc. These opposing factions want nothing more than to put their opponents down at any and all costs. A game is all it is anymore.

This is something you'll eventually open up your eyes to. Question is, how will you cope when you can ignore it no longer?

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If anything the S8 premiere has not divided the fandom. The fandom CHOSE to make its topics the reason for their divisiveness, despite MLP clearly promoting and advocating for the exact opposite.

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9 hours ago, Querch said:

Funny. You want people to be thinking in a nuanced fashion and consider a wider range of possibilities? People are more often than not intellectually lazy ideologues who want nothing more than praise from their in-group authority figures or to advance their own position within said in-group. Nuanced thinking is simply asking too much of people. I'm only expecting to see the West -- particularly the USA -- become ever-more divided as time goes on. I'm rather excited about these divisions coming to a head down the line and I'm hoping it'll be violent. They've had their chance to stop and reflect on what is going on but at every turn, they choose to continue the division. They'll get exactly what they deserve.

Perhaps there are a lot of people acting this way, but I see no sense in not attempting to encourage discussion regardless. If there's a possibility of getting people to think, it's worth the effort. The idea that the world is beyond saving or changing in any way... I think that complacency can contribute to the problem, not the solution.

Plus, if there's anything about me it's that I prefer to look at a situation in a thoughtful, understanding, and positive way as opposed to throwing in the towel. I've done the latter in a lot of personal pursuits, and it never wound up in a way that aided me in the end.

2 hours ago, Shabb3r said:

If anything the S8 premiere has not divided the fandom. The fandom CHOSE to make its topics the reason for their divisiveness, despite MLP clearly promoting and advocating for the exact opposite.

Yeah, I don't think it's divided the fandom, either. I believe I said this in the journal entry itself, but this isn't the first time that they've had discussions like this.

MLP: FiM definitely (generally speaking, anyway) spreads messages of togetherness and companionship, but I find often those messages are skewed by the fandom in a certain way. In some cases I understand it (Fame & Misfortune did have some awful implications, and its very premise has that kind of mean-spirited vibe to it), but there are times when it utterly baffles me that an episode is taken that way.

I'm not about to suggest politics has no influence over the way episodes are written, but I do think sometimes people overestimate how much influence that is.

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41 minutes ago, Wolfhog said:

Perhaps there are a lot of people acting this way, but I see no sense in not attempting to encourage discussion regardless. If there's a possibility of getting people to think, it's worth the effort. The idea that the world is beyond saving or changing in any way... I think that complacency can contribute to the problem, not the solution.

Then you would do well to seclude yourself into quiet niches such as this, picking out just the tiniest minority of people who can be bothered to think things through.

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