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Time travel response.


Brony Number 42

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Here is a companion piece to @PawelS ‘s blog on time paradoxes

 

He mentions the idea of a consistent time loop. This is the idea that if you go back in time and perform an action, that action was “destined to happen,” and therefore isn’t a paradox. The opposite of this is, of course, a paradox. The classic example being that you kill your grandfather before you are born, so how can you be born to go back in time to kill your grandfather?

                              One solution to this paradox is to say that when you go back in time you are jumping to an alternate universe. You can kill your grandfather, and you can stay in that time period and watch it play out. You will be a stranger that nobody knows because you came out of nowhere. But this, in itself, is not a logical paradox. Or you can go back to your “own time” and you will see that you were never born and the world went on as you would expect. You check the newspaper archives and find that your would-be-grandfather was killed by some stranger who just showed up out of nowhere and then disappeared. Again, in your “own time” you will be a stranger that nobody knows. This also presents no logical paradox.

               Here is where I have a problem with how these paradoxes are presented. Most people will say that it is ok to go back in time as long as you don’t do anything that would create a paradox. But technically everything you do creates a paradox. Merely displacing air molecules changes history and creates a paradox. History “recorded” that space-time location R(x1,t1) contained air molecules. Then you go back in time and stand in that spot, now location R(x1,t1) contains you! No matter what you do, things are not as they were, and history plays out differently. I believe that this implies that the only solution is the one mentioned above. If you go back to your own time then you are in an alternate timeline, even if it appears to be very similar to where you left.

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As I wrote in my article, there are many theories on this subject. The one that you end up in a different timeline is viable, and also one of the most popular ones.

And when you mention the air molecules, this is a valid point too. In order for the time loop to be consistent, there shouldn't be air molecules there in the first place, it should be you. If you know that you weren't there, or that fact has any effect on the present state of the universe, then trying to go back in time and appear in that place makes the time loop inconsistent, and shouldn't be possible (or should lead you to a different timeline, as you suggested).

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The classic example being that you kill your grandfather before you are born

This won't work, you need to kill him before he has a child who is one of your parents.

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It could also be that some changes made by the time traveler are below the "noise level" and do not really impact anything.

Also, for it to be a paradox, the change has to be something that would affect the traveler. For example, if I go to the past and kill a famous person, the news of his murder would be in newspapers and I should have known about it before I went to the past. If he was alive in my original timeline, that's a change that affects me (I know information that was valid, but is no longer valid because I changed the past).

On the other hand, if I go to the past, stay in the middle of nowhere for a while and come back, the past would now have a little bit less oxygen and a little bit more carbon dioxide, but the change would be below "noise level" and, while it may affect the "present" in some small way, it would not affect me or my knowledge (unless I had the exact composition of air measured down to the molecule).

The same probably applies to going to the future - if I go to the future and bring back lottery numbers, it would probably be a paradox, because I could have read an article in the future about the lottery and it could mention someone else winning it (but now I'm going to at least share the jackpot with him). On the other hand, if I bring back stock price charts, I probably could invest some money and get good returns without actually affecting the prices that much (if I buy $20k of Apple shares, it would not really move the price, especially if I brought back the cart that shows a price increase because of some event - new phone announcement etc).

At least that's pretty much how fiction operates, there is no way to know how "real" time travel to the past would work. 

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