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No problem. That's true and I will try my best to learn from this one, I promise. Also, I agree. That is the best course of action to take. I'm glad I didn't cause you any pain and I'd be glad to stay in chat if I can think about something worthy enough to say.

I'm sorry this turned into a huge flame war. I'm also sorry that I contributed to it and didn't stop it earlier like I should have. I only made the situation worse so I apologize. I took the proper actions to make sure it doesn't start up again so don't worry. I'm also sorry for not staying calm like I should have. As for this post, I have nothing else to say and I'd rather leave just to make sure I don't cause you any more pain but I hope plenty of new people come here so you can discuss theories peacefully once more. You deserve that much. It's okay. It was a small little mistake and we all shouldn't have gotten so worked up over it. I hope this post comes alive again, I'm sorry for everything, and I hope you have a good day.

Oh okay, I see. Well... welcome to the community I guess. You may end up liking the show more or not but whatever floats your boat man. I personally feel like there are more interesting side characters besides Scootalo like Discord for example, but that's just my opinion. Well, regardless you seem like a really nice dude and it was nice to meet you.

Yes but now all you're doing the exact same thing. You claim he hasn't debunked your argument when he did it earlier. He doesn't say anything else because he doesn't need to, your theory has already been debunked. Your theory fell through and instead of being mature you want to mock him and say apparently he was at fault. And... "If you're going to go shut up now, then good riddance, but I doubt you have the will power. " If you're going to whine time and time again about someone making personal attacks on you, you probably don't want to post things like that. And as for that, I'm also done. I'm not interested in arguing with someone who is just going to keep changing their narrative every time it doesn't fit them nor do I want to talk with someone who is just going to keep making up excuses and pointing their finger at everyone else. I only stayed because some of your post were civil and it seemed like there was something to be discussed, but shortly afterwards, you'd post something childish and overly aggressive again. Sorry but I'm not going to have an argument with someone with that attitude and it's clear this isn't going to go anywhere and we're just going to go through this civil to aggressive cycle over and over again what's the point? It's not going to get either of us anywhere so I'm done. If you're gonna make the argument it's because Jedishy has gone well.. go ahead because it kind of is. The way you reacted to him leaving shows you don't want to have a mature discussion. Along with that, I agree with him. There's no point anymore. Your argument was debunked and now all that's happening is we're cycling through your excuses and, as he basically said, you end up being hypocritical and debunking yourself. There's nothing else to be done here so I'm not staying.

If it's impossible to not be biased then why is it an issue? If we're all biased then none of us are wrong because we all have the same problem. By your logic I can argue your arguments also have issues because you are biased as well. Therefore both of our arguments are flawed. So.. why am I the problem again? We've just figured out both of our arguments are flawed so why point out mine is flawed rather than pointing out all of our arguments are flawed because of this? It's not making my argument look worse, it's making are arguments look equal as far as flaws go. And to me personally, I feel like going into an argument saying someone else's argument is stupid is disrespectful. rather, you should politely give constructive criticism. I've said this before and I hope this elaborates on what I find disrespectful and what I don't. Also, this is just a theory for a show. There's no "they need to find the light and move away for their stupid theory!" That's ridiculous. Rather they should take in criticisms, which he did, and change their theory over time as new things are revealed, not get rid of it completely. It's silly to go into this kind of discussion thinking they should. Again, you're changing your argument. You're saying you're not trying to be aggressive now yet a few post ago you said you were a condescending prick. There's nothing I can say about this unless you elaborate or pick what argument you want to go with because so far I can't tell which is true and which is not because you keep switching between them. Also, this shouldn't be seen as a debate, it is a fun discussion for people to bounce around ideas together. You need to understand you can't go into all conversation with the strict debate like attitude. Not all places work like that and not all people will respect or enjoy that. What you call type T's need to learn going in aggressively and going in head first can be seen as rude to others and can end up ruining a whole discussion because what once began as a civil discussion turns into a cut throat situation because, hey, a lot of people or well, F types as you called me, aren't interested in having a super aggressive debate. It's not fun for them, it's just pressuring and really unejoyable. If people say they are finding you too aggressive either try to tone it down a bit or back off. You're just going to end up hurting others and causing a whole dilemma like this one. Again, what I'm basically saying is you need to recognize not all people are okay with this behavior and you can't head into every single discussion with that kind of attitude. But if saying you're clouded by anger is the same and or very similar to saying you are clouded by bias than he really was not being condescended and was being truthful. So, you really shouldn't have had an issue with what he said and the fact you said it to me yet act like it shouldn't be a big problem means you're being hypocritical. You are obviously biased because you are not holding yourself to the same standards you are holding Jedishy. You admitted a few lines ago what he said was similar to what you said to me, yet when he said it, it was apparently condescending towards you. I am holding you two to the same standards. I agree that I am biased and I agree when you said you were clouded by anger. My issue with you saying I was biased was because, in my eyes, you were using it as an excuse to avoid pointing out the flaws in my post. I feel like he gave good criticisms you should have taken while you've mostly gone around saying others theories were stupid. I'm sorry, but there's a difference between telling someone they are probably clouded by anger and advising they check their post before posting to claiming others arguments and or ideas are stupid. One is constructive criticism the other isn't. You can claim you stated why you find it stupid but most of your arguments were flawed and you had issues with your reasoning, so jedishy debunked your theory. You can keep saying that if you want but that doesn't change the fact you haven't provided any good evidence as to why Jedishy is apparently the bad guy in this situation.

Sorry for the late response. The site was being weird so I had to reload the page. I am sorry that I misinterpreted you but you have to understand that if you put things out there bluntly people will see it as aggressive. It's best to just tell them straight up that was not your intention the first time the issue arises. Believe my I type bluntly too and I'm sorry if you feel like I'm ganging up on you as that was not my intention. Also, I apologize for saying Muffins rather than Mind Scrapes, rookie mistake. Also, I am not biased. I agree with Mind Scrape but I am completely fine with others opinions as long as they state it respectfully. The first thing you did was basically call him stupid for thinking Scootaloo was an orphan. That is not respectful and that was the big reason I had an issue with your post. Also, I understand getting carried away in criticism but it's best to always look over your post before posting to make sure that doesn't drive the post. It just makes it incredibly unenjoyable for people to talk to you when your post are like that. Look over before posting to avoid this. Also, please stop the whole "you're doing it without knowing it" argument. Like I said, I'm not bias and I honestly enjoying the sharing of opinions as long as people do it respectfully. Your post came off as disrespectful and rude to me, so I had an issue. If you had stated it more respectfully and politely I wouldn't have an issue. Also, most of the things you're saying are condescending on simple criticisms. You *should* read things before you post, especially for the reason I talked about before. If you can say bias is clouding my judgment I think it's fair for him to say anger is clouding your judgment because of how aggressive you come off as. I also agree that just because you disagree or can't imagine it doesn't mean others are wrong or lacking for theorizing it. Also, again, if you have an issue with someone saying your judgment is clouded because you are mad, then by your own logic you are condescending by saying my opinion is clouded by bias.This is why I'm saying your taking it personally. What you're saying he is say that is condescending holds some truth to it and are criticisms that should be taken to heart, not ignored. Jedishy is simply saying his opinion and why he has it. Along with that you keep doing some of the things you criticize him for and to me I can't help but raise an eyebrow at your arguments because of it. It's hypocritical and I have an issue with you saying he was being condescended considering some of the things you've said during the argument. It's funny you keep trying to paint me as bad and Jedi is bad when you say things like "I'm a condescending prick who's right." Becuase we're supposed to believe Jedi and I are the condescending over opinionated ones when you say things like that. Just because you say you're right sadly doesn't mean you're right. Sorry, but that is hypocritical. Also, you did claim you weren't condescending by saying you type bluntly and you didn't mean to be aggressive. So.. your suddenly changing your argument now because the last one didn't change our minds? And... we're supposed to believe what you say despite the fact you keep switching from "I'm not being aggresive" to then saying you are being aggresive? If you really want to convince us I suggest you pick one argument and stick with it. No one can be convinced if you say one thing and then turn around seconds later to say the opposite. And hey, you can say I've done it and I will gladly accept I might have and I shouldn't, but that doesn't change the fact that's exactly what you're doing. If you don't want people to be upset with your argument don't change it every single time it doesn't work out for you. You can't be trusted if your going to change your story everytime it doesn't fit your needs. I can't admit I was wrong or even know if I was wrong or what your aim is if you keep changing it. Also, I am making my own attacks because I feel like you are being overly aggressive and I'm tired off it. If you don't want people to attack you don't attack them.

I agree. They keep claiming things and acting like they are fact yet their barely providing evidence for it. I also agree that there are enough signs in the show to suggest she may not have parents so of course people with theorize this. I really wanted to be nice but I'm honestly tired of playing nice. They keep acting like they haven't done anything and then pointing fingers at everyone else as if it was their fault when it wasn't. They've also keep throwing shade at the other side whenever they disagree to make them look bad and to act like they're obviously doing something terribly wrong by disagreeing with them. It's hypocritical and I'm tired of it. I also am annoyed they keep trying to paint everyone else as mean when throughout this whole conversation they've been rather rude and condescending. I also can not respect fans that yell at others or try to paint others as idiots or bullies simply because of they have a different opinion. It's just childish. I'm glad you spoke up against what they were doing and thank you. He did not say Scootaloo is neglected because she has a problem with flying. It was the other way around and you misunderstood. He said Scootaloo may have problems with flying because she was neglected (this linking with his other theory that she may be an orphan and or just have really distant parents) and because no one was there to teach her and help her learn to fly. That may not be the cause of her problem but it's just a theory.

Well you're acting like it. Also, I don't believe they were just talking about your responses to him, though I agree those were uncalled for as well. You were also really aggressive towards Muffins as well. Also, he is not attacking you and "picking fights" as you call it, he is simply stating his opinions and backing them up. If anything I feel like you're the one attacking and taking things a big too personally. So, he can't disagree with you and has to stop commenting but you can keep constantly fighting with Muffins and apparently it's okay? I'm sorry but that's terribly hypocritical, especially since in that situation you were arguably trying to start a fight with Muffins according to your own logic.

That is simply your opinion. If you think that's a stupid opinion then fine but yelling at people that have it and being so aggressive about the matter just because you disagree is childish. Also, his comment is not irrelevant, you are just choosing to ignore it. His comment shed more light about what he actually thinks and removed false impressions. Again, his comment is not irrelevant, you are simply just not choosing to listen to the other side. Also, we are starting to see and hear about more of the ponies parents. We saw Rainbow Dash's, Flutter Shy's, Diamond Tiara's and we heard the story about Apple Jack's. So, actually, nowadays more and more of the ponies' parents are being shown. The fact we had that comment from Scootaloo in Rainbow Dash's episode also gives a great hint to the fact she may be an orphan or just not very close with her parents, especially since more parents are being revealed. Muffins mentioned this line too but sadly you decided to ignore it. Also, I'm sorry, but theorizing Scootaloo is an orphan because her parents are not shown is a lot different than predicting Celestia poops meteors because we never see her poop. One is a plausible real life scenario, the other is completely insane. Actually, that is incorrect. We have seen one of the pegasi's parents as I've stated before, that being Rainbow Dash's parents. Also, if you think she technically could be an orphan then why are you being so aggressive to people that have this theory? You just admitted it's a possibility and that's basically what a theory is, something that could be true but we'll have to wait and see. So what if he claimed it was most likely? He fixed his theory and admitted he could be wrong but instead of being mature you decided to ignore this and kept bagging on him. Also, we are not being defensive, we are simply saying why we believe what we believe. I'm sorry but I feel like the only pushy one in this situation is you. All the others have been tame and seemingly polite while you've been rather aggressive. Also, no, sorry, but shame on you. He admitted he was wrong so he fixed his theory. That's what one should do. If a theory has a flaw it needs to be corrected and fixed, so he did that. Again, everyone was mostly trying to be tame and calm and then you came in here pointing fingers, not listening to muffins, and being all aggressive like. I really don't want to be mean but, you put this on yourself and frankly I feel like you are just trying to make Muffins look bad at this point. I can understand this point but Muffins admitted he was wrong and at this point of the conversation I do not feel like he is trying to hide the fact he edited it. Perhaps putting reasons why he edited it would be good so new readers can understand his old argument and see he is simply improving on it, but no, I do not feel lime Muffins is trying to hide it. I can understand the etiquette part but, since his intentions are obviously not bad I feel like you should be so aggressive. Again, I understand your point but you should have nicely told him it was bad etiquette and perhaps asking him to add a note to show he changed it the first time rather than your negative, accusatory response. What I'm trying to say is, you should have responded this way the first time around, not the second. Thank you for being so kind and understanding that everyone just needs to chill out when it comes to theories. They're just fun little theories we're making on one of our favorite shows about some of our favorite characters and it shouldn't be such a big deal. It's not something others need to get aggressive about. However, because I believe this, if my responses to @Ganondox seems unnecessarily harsh I apologize to them and to the others in this conversation. I am really just trying to show that there are other ways to go about it rather than being aggressive and that there's no reason to be aggressive, and we all just need to chill out. Because, I generally just want it to stop and I'm tired of friendly fan conversations turning dark because someone decides to be way more aggressive than they should be. It's no fun and it's just ruining what should have been a civil fan conversation. So, I agree with you. It's unnecessary and uncalled for and I hope this behavior is put to a close. Can we all just calm down and be respectful of the others opinion? We should have fun with theories rather than getting all cut throat to each other, and again, I apologize if I was being like that as well. I also agree and do not care if Scootaloo flies that much. I just want to see her character grow and develop and this season did that pretty well in my opinion. It definitely will be interesting to learn more about Scootaloo and I can't wait till more is revealed. But for now, all we've got is our theories. Also, they did have a disabled pony once but they were in the background. I'm talking about the pony in Trade Ya that had a wheel contraption in place of their back legs. It's always nice when Hasbro makes little touches like that. I agree though that little secret like these make Scootaloo one of the more interesting side characters, and in fact, she's probably one of my favorites. Trixie is definitely interesting and I love seeing her interact with Starlight and Starlight is definitely another one of my favorite characters because of her past and the struggles she has to face because of it and her insecurities. Can't wait what the show reveals about all of them.

No problem and thank you so much for the kind welcome.

Scootaloos parents haven't been shown so it was just a simple theory of his because of that fact. There's really no reason for you to get so aggressive about his theory. He also said when he said orphan he didn't exactly mean her parents are dead and he also stated he excepted the fact that she may have parents and they are just not very close to her. Also, he stated he now understood being an orphan means your parents are dead so I do not understand why you are restating this fact. He further explained himself and meant that her parents could be dead or either just absent. Again, he stated he was open to the theory of her parents just being absent as it definitely could be a possibility. He never said they "don't exist" just that they could be either dead or absent, so I really don't get what point you're trying to make as I feel like his recent post basically cleared up any false impressions. And, moving on to my other point, you can't say her parents being dead is untrue because you don't know. As for the tweets if you want to use that as an argument... well, looking at the tread Lauren even said she was kidding around and it shouldn't be considered canon and she's not a writer on the show anymore, so we really don't know what happened to her parents, all we can do is theorize and I personally find no issue with theorizing she's an orphan. If we're proven wrong we're proven wrong, but so far we haven't been proven wrong so it's no big deal to theorize it. Well, most schools say you need a "legal guardian" when it comes to signing paper work. This doesn't necessarily have to be a parent so someone else definitely could have signed it so she doesn't necessarily need parents to go to school. I agree and i feel like you cleared up any false impressions in your last post.

So, I recently watched this episode and wrote a long Youtube comment about my issues with it so I thought I'd clean it up and put it here. Kinda wish this episode had more of a conclusion. To me, it felt like it was basically saying "it's fine when fans go overboard just don't let it affect you" when the lesson should have been that this kind of behavior in communities is not okay and is extremely disrespectful to the artist having to deal with it. Yes I get there will always be those kinds of people and it's worth it for the fact your work will positively affect others, but after all we've seen I can't really think that the main six would just be able to shrug it off, especially with it affecting Rarity's job, making Apple Jack and her family be slaves for supposed fans and the fact it seems like people are going to be harassing Flutter Shy from now on. Again, I get it, there will always be those people but there's a difference between people screaming on the internet and people literally going to your home or work to harras you because of it. I can understand the conversation Rarity overheard being something she needs to learn to live with, but having people storm your house and publicly harras you? I'm sorry but even as a public figure you should be allowed to ask for personal space and make bounders between you and your viewers/readers/etc. There's a reason "celebrities" usually only talk to fans at events. That's their career, other things are done on their personal time. It's not anything personal, they just can't take dealing with fans all the time and they shouldn't have to. I mean no disrespect to the writers but I'm tired of them constantly making the "just shrug it off episodes." There are certain behaviors that are not okay and need to be addressed, not shrugged off. For example, those ponies storming Twilight's castle and Apple Jack's farm are technically on private property, they can get in trouble for that and they should get in trouble for that. It may be hard but if this is what the main six are going to have to deal with from now on they need to stop being overly friendly and start putting up boundaries. They also need to realize there's nothing wrong with this and sometimes you need to be aggressive with fans and, while yes you still want to be kind to them, distance themselves a bit. Sure fans will be disappointed but they shouldn't have to deal with being constantly harassed just because they don't want to upset any pony. That's being way too nice and the message "well sure people publicly harras me and won't give me any personal space but that's okay because I'm famous now and that should be expected" is a damaging one at that. Instead, the show should have shown this is what can happen when you put your work out there and then shown the audience the appropriate way to deal with it and taught the lesson it's okay to ask for personal space, you don't have to please others all the time. However, instead, they took the "shrug it off" approach. Yes, there are things you're going to need to brush off when you put your work out there but, again, there's a difference between someone crap talking about your work and someone going around harassing you at your home or work place and not giving you any personal space. One is something that can't be helped and should be expected, the other is something that could lead to dangerous situations and needs to be put to a stop. In short, I didn't like this episode because it was the equivalent of watching your favorite character get tortured and then see them shrug it off in the end and say, "it's all good. This is my life now." It feels wrong and heartbreaking and it feels like some better resolution was needed. So, how can they fix this. Well, here's one of my ideas. Instead of Twilight saying to ignore she should have said that, yes they have to ignore it, but also they need to start putting up boundaries for their own well beings. The lesson should have been that yes, you do need to ignore some things and should expect this kind of reaction when you put your work out there, but it should have also taught you don't need to be a people pleaser all the time and it's fine to do what you have to do to get some personal space. However, instead the show basically taught to just ignore these behaviors all together despite the fact they were being given no personal space and constantly being harassed. I understand this show was supposed to be about the hate they get and how they deal with it, but by the way it was presented it seemed more like public harassment that needed to be dealt with and not shrugged off. To erase this issue all together they could have simply had these things said to the main six through hate mail (basically the mlp equivalent of comments) showing that while they do get hate, no physical or public harassment is involved. This would have made the "shrug it off" kind of message actually work because it's just hate mail and they need to learn to shrug those kinds of things off and rather take in constructive criticism and realize they are emotionally touching others even if it seems like many people don't like their work. Personally, I'd prefer the first as it develops more on the flawed message and the fact creators are people too, which is a great message to go alongside an episode about some of the toxic fans they have to deal with. They aren't perfect and they need their space. It would have taught a great message basically telling people "there will always be people that don't like your work but you can't please everyone. Along with that you're a person too and you don't need to give all your time to fans and you definitely do not have to cater to their every whim just to make them happy. You can have personal space and time too." This is the message I needed when I was young and started creating things and it would have been a great message to send to the younger audience. So, in conclusion, the big issue I had with this episode is what the ponies were going through was more public harassment that simply "haters being haters." Because of this the whole "shrug it off" message just seemed wrong and it didn't feel like a good message. I get what they were aiming at, but this episode was purely put together and should have had a lot more thought put into it. I can't enjoy an episode full of ponies being completely brutal to the main six and the message being to just shrug it off when, again, public harassment was obviously involved. My advice would have been to either change their approach or change the message/what Twilight said to her friends at the end. It makes me sad just a few simple added lines to the end could have made this episode perfect but instead, the message was blurred and felt a bit rushed. This isn't me hating on the writers, this is just my sharing my thoughts and criticisms on this episode. However, I do understand and enjoy the message and I'm glad Hasbro spoke up about it and used a bad situation to inspire them and others. That is something to be admired and as someone who is trying to get my own work out there, I can relate to the message. So, no, not all of the episode was bad, I was just terribly concerned for the main six afterward and the fact the ending didn't even hint at them doing something to try to prevent the public harassment they had to deal with concerned me. The episode left a sour taste in my mouth because the main six might have to constantly deal with this harassment from now on, but we don't really know, and I wished that had been addressed. However, again, not all of the episode was bad and hopefully, this issue is discussed in other episodes. If it isn't then I will definitely still have an issue with the fact this issue was not addressed or incooperated in the message. It'd be interesting to see them try to adjust to their new life and find ways to avoid being publicly harassed, so I'd love to see the topic have its own episode but for me just simple details here and there showing they are doing something about the situation would make this episode a stand out episode for me because the issue wasn't ignored. However, for now it is and it's still a big issue for me as far as this episode goes.