MLP vs. DBZ

[Zhortac 1,475]

Anyone that's not above Celestia or Luna gets immediately and brutally nuked. After the origninal DB, planet destroying powers are just another Tuesday, and most ponies aren't strong enough to avoid getting blown to pieces.

For alicorns, it's reversed; anyone above Celestia and Luna can't even be damaged by DBZ characters not named bills+. They comfortably destroy their competition.

Planet destroying powers in dragonball are not consistant. Besides, theres characters who never blew a planet up, that would tank and wipe the floor with dbz.

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I'll say it again; any of the princesses can pwn any of the sayins

 

I seriously doubt the Princesses would be a match for any sayian warrior. A high tier sayian can easily blow up the entire world, and not to mention their great speed.

[Hive King 2,001]

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Not really. Celestia and Luna can win comfortably in most cases...but only if their opponent is IC and stands around running their mouth. MLP characters can only win via hax, otherwise, even Raditz can tear Luna in half with no trouble. You're severely overrating them, based on the fallacy that the script writers of MLP actually think of real world physics when it comes to moving the Sun and Moon. Cadence is viewed as comparable to the other alicorns, yet she's so weak, she can't even break through crystal 

[Fractured 2,684]

Planet destroying powers in dragonball are not consistant. Besides, theres characters who never blew a planet up, that would tank and wipe the floor with dbz.

Hardly matters. Anyone stronger than Goku at the end of DB would still crush anyone who's not an alicorn.

 

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Not really. Celestia and Luna can win comfortably in most cases...but only if their opponent is IC and stands around running their mouth. MLP characters can only win via hax, otherwise, even Raditz can tear Luna in half with no trouble. You're severely overrating them, based on the fallacy that the script writers of MLP actually think of real world physics when it comes to moving the Sun and Moon. Cadence is viewed as comparable to the other alicorns, yet she's so weak, she can't even break through crystal 

Cadence is actually more comparable to Shining armor from what we've seen, and much farther below the sisters. She loses in the Freeza fight.

And both Celestia and Luna have the ability to raise the sun. I see no issue with that. It's also been shown the moon is roughly the same size as ours, and stated that the sun is the same size as ours. I see no problem with that either. The amount of energy needed to perform that comes out to Solar System level, above DBZ characters and equal to BOG characters, and i'm fine with that. I'm not overrating characters, simply acknowledging the abilities they have. 

[Hive King 2,001]

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If the Sun was the same size, then moving it around would destroy Equestria, unless you want to argue that Equestria is some super planet bigger than the Sun. Also, even Raditz is a moon buster, he owns Cadence. 

 

And Cell said he had enough chi to blow away the solar system, so even with that scaling, they aren't hitting SSJ2 Kid Gohan level.

 

And no, you are overrating them heavily. Their moving the Sun trick is heavily inconsistent with later feats, worse among them being Twilight, with the power of all three, being unable to make a mountain busting blast. 

[Zhortac 1,475]

I seriously doubt the Princesses would be a match for any sayian warrior. A high tier sayian can easily blow up the entire world, and not to mention their great speed.

You ignored my reason. None of the sayins but Mirai Trunks, shown any rational combat thought early on...and they can't tank magic. Also, planet busting is moot, because they'd die too.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac,

Don't forget about Kid Gohan. Kid Gohan doesn't screw around 

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Also, planet busting is moot, because they'd die too.

 

No they wouldn't. Frieza had the sayins destroy planets all the time and they had no problem with it.

 

 

 

None of the sayins but Mirai Trunks, shown any rational combat thought early on

 

The sayians are a warrior race, fighting is part of who they are. Their speed and strength would be more than enough to annihilate the princesses.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@1CJB,

Anime bullshit, that never happened 

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Anime bullshit, that never happened

 

I'm pretty sure the sayins destroyed planets all the time, whether they showed that in the manga or not. Frieza made them conquer planets for him, and the worthless ones were destroyed.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@1CJB,

No. Saiyans can't survive in space, Freeza himself said so. Saiyans wiped out all life on it, but never destroyed it 

[user1342342 143]

 

 

No. Saiyans can't survive in space, Freeza himself said so. Saiyans wiped out all life on it, but never destroyed it

 

Granted that is true, and debating filler is pointless so moving on from that.

 

Point is, they have the sheer power to destroy worlds, and their speed in incredible. I just don't see how the princesses could stop them.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@1CJB,

Their ego. Most saiyans love to tank attacks to show off. Tanking magic doesn't work 

[Fractured 2,684]

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If the Sun was the same size, then moving it around would destroy Equestria, unless you want to argue that Equestria is some super planet bigger than the Sun. Also, even Raditz is a moon buster, he owns Cadence. 

 

And Cell said he had enough chi to blow away the solar system, so even with that scaling, they aren't hitting SSJ2 Kid Gohan level.

 

And no, you are overrating them heavily. Their moving the Sun trick is heavily inconsistent with later feats, worse among them being Twilight, with the power of all three, being unable to make a mountain busting blast. 

Roshi blew up the moon, but  it didn't do anything to the earth; no tidal waves, no asteroid strikes, no repercussions whatsoever. Shouting loud enough to rip a hole in space time should have wasted everything in a galaxy's radius, but it didn't even scuff up the grass. Time Travel should techincally destroy the earth, but it's still there for Trunks to come back to. Can we just agree that sometimes, logic takes a backseat to an interesting story? There's just too many fictions that go with that ideology to start marking them off as unreliable.

I'm in agreement with Raditz owning Cadence. From what we've seen, she doesn't even make it to EOS DB.

We have no way to prove Cell's statement, since he only managed to blow up Kai's planet at maximum power. No one else has displayed that kind of power in DBZ,even those above Cell, so it's probably hyperbole.

Rainbow Dash is already above mountain level. Twilight destroyed one just by teleporting in Twilight's kingdom. It seems magical blasts just have piss poor collateral damage, which make perfects sense in the context of the show. DBZ can have fun with highly destructive blasts because the writers have thousands of ways of making it so that the damage to the planet is negligible after the fight; like going back in time, or just plain wishing that shit never happened. FIM doesn't have that option, so cutting back on the 'splosions is a much better option. It wouldn't be very fun if the next five seasons were about Twilight Sparkle mourning the friends and family she killed when she nuked the planet.

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Their ego. Most saiyans love to tank attacks to show off. Tanking magic doesn't work

 

I think the princesses would be overpowered. If Chrysalis can do it, so can the sayians.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Roshi blew up the moon, but  it didn't do anything to the earth; no tidal waves, no asteroid strikes, no repercussions whatsoever.

Blowing up the moon actually wouldn't do all that much, especially with how quickly it was restored. But I get the point.

 

We have no way to prove Cell's statement, since he only managed to blow up Kai's planet at maximum power. No one else has displayed that kind of power in DBZ,even those above Cell, so it's probably hyperbole

Why stop there? Why not say that Whis's statement is a hyperbole? Or Omega Shenron's galaxy rot claim is a hyberbole? Cell's self destruction only blowing up Kai's planet means very little since the more powerful Majin Vegeta did even less damage with his self destruction to Earth, despite saying he could blow up the planet back in the Saiyan Saga. Self destructs just don't have the power radius to planet bust.

 

 

Rainbow Dash is already above mountain level

She was unable to stop herself from nearly dying in flash flood

 

 

Twilight destroyed one just by teleporting in Twilight's kingdom.

She split it open, she didn't bust it

 

At the very best, Celestia is Cell level, but that's really pushing it, considering that if Cell says he can destroy the Solar System, there are probably sun tiers far earlier. In fact, if you power scale with the Moon being a base line for planet busting, here are the power levels needed

 

I think the princesses would be overpowered. If Chrysalis can do it, so can the sayians.

Chrysalis used magic as well

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Chrysalis used magic as well

 

They shot beams of raw power at each other, and Celestia was overpowered. Now pit her against someone who has the sheer power to annihilate everything.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@1CJB,

Turns then into an orange while they blab 

[Fractured 2,684]

Blowing up the moon actually wouldn't do all that much, especially with how quickly it was restored. But I get the point.

 

Why stop there? Why not say that Whis's statement is a hyperbole? Or Omega Shenron's galaxy rot claim is a hyberbole? Cell's self destruction only blowing up Kai's planet means very little since the more powerful Majin Vegeta did even less damage with his self destruction to Earth, despite saying he could blow up the planet back in the Saiyan Saga. Self destructs just don't have the power radius to planet bust.

 

 

She was unable to stop herself from nearly dying in flash flood

 

 

She split it open, she didn't bust it

 

At the very best, Celestia is Cell level, but that's really pushing it, considering that if Cell says he can destroy the Solar System, there are probably sun tiers far earlier. In fact, if you power scale with the Moon being a base line for planet busting, here are the power levels needed

Didn't Bills toss a sun at Goku, and destroyed several planets just by bouncing off of them? Whiss stopped him with chopsticks, I highly doubt his claims are hyperbole.

Omega Shenron's may in, fact, be hyperbole, but i'm not too aware of the original circumstances since I didn't pay close attention to GT.

Goku can't breathe in space...I fail to see what RD nearly drowning has to do with anything.

Twilight did, in fact, blow up a mountain...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZ4suij8oM

And power levels are trash as a unit of measurement. How can we figure out what a power level of one million means if we still don't know what a power level of one means? I could say power levels are measured in kittens, and my guess would be just as right as anybody else's.

Edited August 22, 2014 by Shimmer5000

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Didn't Bills toss a sun at Goku, and destroyed several planets just by bouncing off of them? Whiss stopped him with chopsticks, I highly doubt his claims are hyperbole.

They were hardly planets, more like asteroids. And Beers just tossed a ki attack, nothing special

 

 

Goku can't breathe in space...I fail to see what RD nearly drowning has to do with anything.

She was unable to free herself from the suction of the water

 

 

nd power levels are trash as a unit of measurement. How can we figure out what a power level of one million means if we still don't know what a power level of one means? I could say power levels are measured in kittens, and my guess would be just as right as anybody else's.

No, I meant that we can judge which DBZ character can do which. The last stated power level was Freeza's Second Form being over one million. Depending on how big your gaps get, it is very easy to have even Semi-Perfect Cell be a sun buster

 

 

Twilight did, in fact, blow up a mountain..

It was a large boulder, which is impressive, but not good enough 

[Fractured 2,684]

They were hardly planets, more like asteroids. And Beers just tossed a ki attack, nothing special

 

 

She was unable to free herself from the suction of the water

 

 

No, I meant that we can judge which DBZ character can do which. The last stated power level was Freeza's Second Form being over one million. Depending on how big your gaps get, it is very easy to have even Semi-Perfect Cell be a sun buster

 

 

It was a large boulder, which is impressive, but not good enough 

One thing Bills has over Cell is time. Bills has been wrecking things for millenia, so he's a fairly good estimator of his own potential. Cell has had no time to test that new limit since he was destroyed rather quickly after attaining his power. It's like how you're more likely to take the word of a race car driver that he can drive a vehicle over that of a fifteen year old you just met, even though you don't know either of them or what they've done personally. Panhandling a star buster or two(Goku and Gotenks) while not even trying helps,too.

If you think Rainbow Dash is weaker than surface tension...I don't know what to say to you. The Sonic Rainboom is still strong enough to blow away cloud formations miles away from the source.

Still bunk. If we knew what power levels were a unit of, we could talk, but we don't know the difference between one and two, or if they're even linear. A power level a one billion simply means someone is stronger than someone with a power level of one; anything beyond that is speculation.

Do they make boulders that big? Seriously though, simply comparing it to the mountains in the background, you're right.However, Twilight raised the sun and moon with little effort. Even going by blast measurements. Tirek, her equal, should've wasted half of ponyville with a blast of a similar size, and only destroyed the tree. Simply lends more evidence to collateral not being equal to power output in magical blasts. It seems to be a common thing; Marvel and DC are kings of it. Despite having planet busters throw down on the Earth's surface for decades, barely more than a city is ever really destroyed in their fights. No one's arguing arguing Thor isn't a planet buster, even though his fights typically end...planet bustless.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

One thing Bills has over Cell is time. Bills has been wrecking things for millenia, so he's a fairly good estimator of his own potential. Cell has had no time to test that new limit since he was destroyed rather quickly after attaining his power. It's like how you're more likely to take the word of a race car driver that he can drive a vehicle over that of a fifteen year old you just met, even though you don't know either of them or what they've done personally. Panhandling a star buster or two(Goku and Gotenks) while not even trying helps,too.

Even Super Boohan could do that to Goku and Gotenks. The point is, nothing contradicts Cell's statement

 

 

If you think Rainbow Dash is weaker than surface tension...I don't know what to say to you. The Sonic Rainboom is still strong enough to blow away cloud formations miles away from the source.

Then she's fool for being unable to break out of water

 

 

Still bunk. If we knew what power levels were a unit of, we could talk, but we don't know the difference between one and two, or if they're even linear. A power level a one billion simply means someone is stronger than someone with a power level of one; anything beyond that is speculation.

I know that, I meant that whomever is a Sun buster, is equal to or greater to Celestia

 

 

Do they make boulders that big? Seriously though, simply comparing it to the mountains in the background, you're right.However, Twilight raised the sun and moon with little effort. Even going by blast measurements. Tirek, her equal, should've wasted half of ponyville with a blast of a similar size, and only destroyed the tree. Simply lends more evidence to collateral not being equal to power output in magical blasts. It seems to be a common thing; Marvel and DC are kings of it. Despite having planet busters throw down on the Earth's surface for decades, barely more than a city is ever really destroyed in their fights. No one's arguing arguing Thor isn't a planet buster, even though his fights typically end...planet bustless.

I don't believe Thor ever outright tried to nuke the planet. The problem with a lot of planet busters is that they lack the AOE to destroy it without core busting, ala Freeza. Freeza can destroy a whole planet if the matter was clumped up, but otherwise, the area is too big to cover.

 

As for Twilight, this excuse doesn't hold up because even after blasting Tirek head on, all it did was bury his lower half in rock, which is rather unimpressive considering the speed a blast would have to be going and the force behind it should be if she was truly a sun buster like you claim 

[Fractured 2,684]

Even Super Boohan could do that to Goku and Gotenks. The point is, nothing contradicts Cell's statement

 

 

Then she's fool for being unable to break out of water

 

 

I know that, I meant that whomever is a Sun buster, is equal to or greater to Celestia

 

 

I don't believe Thor ever outright tried to nuke the planet. The problem with a lot of planet busters is that they lack the AOE to destroy it without core busting, ala Freeza. Freeza can destroy a whole planet if the matter was clumped up, but otherwise, the area is too big to cover.

 

As for Twilight, this excuse doesn't hold up because even after blasting Tirek head on, all it did was bury his lower half in rock, which is rather unimpressive considering the speed a blast would have to be going and the force behind it should be if she was truly a sun buster like you claim 

Except the fact that his word is sketchy at best?

Strike 1) DBZ villains are extremely proud, they say a lot of stuff they can't back up. Bills didn't state he could destroy the solar system as a boast, but as a matter of fact. Vegeta, who knows Bills, didn't dispute the claim, and neither did Whiss, and they've both seen what he can do.

Strike 2) Cell never had the chance to prove his abilities, either at the current time or in the past. Bills does this as a job; he's essentially DBZ's Galactus. He would thusly know way more about his potential than Cell would about his. It's the difference between saying "I think I can lift a car" and saying" I can lift a car because I make a living heavy objects". One sounds way more believable.

Strike 3) Inconsistency. Buu's powers, at their strongest, were only star level. Buu, the psychotic monster. If one of his strongest attacks ouputs at that much, there's no way Cell is a Solar System buster.

 

Not a fool; realistic. people tend to panic when they're drowning...

 

Luna and Celestia are actually Solar System level, mostly due to pulling the sun and moon through the sky.

 

Twilight and Tirek are of equal durability and destructive power. When a being with planet level strength hits another being with planet level strength, they don't tend to go very far. Superman vs Doomsday is a good example; their punches clearly hurt, but they're not sent flying all over the planet with the force of a planet exploding. Same situation, really.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Strike 1) DBZ villains are extremely proud, they say a lot of stuff they can't back up. Bills didn't state he could destroy the solar system as a boast, but as a matter of fact. Vegeta, who knows Bills, didn't dispute the claim, and neither did Whiss, and they've both seen what he can do.

Cell had very little reason to boast at that point. He had won, he was in control, there was no need for him to exagerrate

 

 

Strike 2) Cell never had the chance to prove his abilities, either at the current time or in the past. Bills does this as a job; he's essentially DBZ's Galactus. He would thusly know way more about his potential than Cell would about his. It's the difference between saying "I think I can lift a car" and saying" I can lift a car because I make a living heavy objects". One sounds way more believable

So because he does it more, that automatically means that his word is better? By that logic, Freeza is stronger than Dabra, Freeza destroyed more planets

 

 

Strike 3) Inconsistency. Buu's powers, at their strongest, were only star level. Buu, the psychotic monster. If one of his strongest attacks ouputs at that much, there's no way Cell is a Solar System buster.

When was Boo ever said to be only star level? This was never said and Boo himself never said anything into the realms of his power other than he was going to nuke the Earth, but that was more so to flush them out

 

 

Not a fool; realistic. people tend to panic when they're drowning...

Regardless, Timberwolves scare her. Beware the twig monsters

 

 

Luna and Celestia are actually Solar System level, mostly due to pulling the sun and moon through the sky

That doesn't mean Solar System level, even in your bloated model, it only means star level. BTW, Celestia and Luna are seen flying to help stop the ice berg in Equestria Games. Why is this important?

a. They can't overpower the spell of a random unicorn guard

b. They can't melt a small iceberg

 

 

Twilight and Tirek are of equal durability and destructive power. When a being with planet level strength hits another being with planet level strength, they don't tend to go very far. Superman vs Doomsday is a good example; their punches clearly hurt, but they're not sent flying all over the planet with the force of a planet exploding. Same situation, really

Superman can fly and stop himself in mid-air, which explains his lack of flying around. And Doomsday has still punched him through the planet on many an ocassion

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Twilight Sparkle beats all of them THE END.