Tilt 286 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 Because as I mentioned before, the changeling "fight scene" doesn't accomplish anything. And the elements of harmony aren't violent. When Twillight saves her friends by blasting a plant with an incinerator beam. Elements of Harmony ain't violent? Excuse me since when did petrifying someone in a stone prison become non-violent? 2 My pony OC If you would like to Roleplay please Private message me, I only like one on one Roleplays cause groups get overwhelming and becoming attention contests, I like to rp with people equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Letter 1,832 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 When Twillight saves her friends by blasting a plant with an incinerator beam. Is that all? They still didn't actually destroy the plants until they returned the elements to the Tree of Harmony. So violence didn't do anything at all. Silver Letter!!! Silver Letter's MLP collection Have: 946 https://data.mlpmerch.com/checklist/180/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulset Tarn 441 January 9, 2015 Author Share January 9, 2015 Elements of Harmony ain't violent? Excuse me since when did petrifying someone in a stone prison become non-violent? Look up the definition of violent. Is that all? They still didn't actually destroy the plants until they returned the elements to the Tree of Harmony. So violence didn't do anything at all. You must have forgotten the part where Twilight saves her friends by firing an incinerator beam to destroy the plant attacking her friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks 10,816 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 (edited) Because as I mentioned before, the changeling "fight scene" doesn't accomplish anything. And the elements of harmony aren't violent. Okay, you are saying that violence is bad unless it "accomplishes nothing" and then it dosen't count? I am kind of confused here because even if violence "accomplishes nothing" it is still there. And last I checked blowing someone to pieces or turning someone into stone are both a bit violent so the Elements of Harmony are capable of violent actions even though their use is specifically geared toward good. They are incapable of being used to do similar things to someone who is good, unless they get corrupted somehow which would make a great fanfic now that I think about it. Edited January 9, 2015 by EarthbendingProdigy 3 Rarity Get's Cockroaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulset Tarn 441 January 9, 2015 Author Share January 9, 2015 Okay, you are saying that violence is bad unless it "accomplishes nothing" and then it dosen't count? Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilt 286 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 I just did and they sound violent to me. They were used as weapons with the intent to stop the villains. In anyway they could and if you think that they weren't then why would they bother using them? They used them with the intent to hurt/subdue their victim and I can't confirm this but I doubt being turned to stone is painless. 1 My pony OC If you would like to Roleplay please Private message me, I only like one on one Roleplays cause groups get overwhelming and becoming attention contests, I like to rp with people equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 Love them! They don't take away form the more slice of life episodes after all. It's just really cool to see the Mane Six going about their everyday lives, but when trouble comes around, they become an impromptu DnD adventuring party! I especially love how you can even tell they all have their own fighting styles: Rainbow Dash - direct and physical Fluttershy - evasion and misdirection Rarity - coordinated and forceful Applejack - acrobatic and scrappy Pinkie Pie - unpredictability and weaponry Twilight - . . . magic. I mean, Lauren Faust originally intended the show to be very adventure friendly so I don't see what DHX is doing now as in contrast to that wish. I suspect the OP, sees it differently but I don't wish to make any assumptions. 1 My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Letter 1,832 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I think that point of view is pretty funny. Violence that accomplishes nothing is the worst sort of violence. and I can't confirm this but I doubt being turned to stone is painless. I've assumed that Discord feels no pain. He is not living. He is just a spirit. 1 Silver Letter!!! Silver Letter's MLP collection Have: 946 https://data.mlpmerch.com/checklist/180/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misty Rose 3,216 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 This is really only featured during the season openers and finales so it makes the show alot more awesome for me Besides how else could Twilight have battled Tirek? 1 My OC: http://mlpforums.com...pink-mist-r3726 TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF ME HERE!! Want a sig like this? Check out my thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulset Tarn 441 January 9, 2015 Author Share January 9, 2015 This is really only featured during the season openers and finales so it makes the show alot more awesome for me Besides how else could Twilight have battled Tirek? Please read page 1 for the other episodes that had the ponies solving problems with violence, as well as a list of over a dozen dangerous monsters that they beat without using violence at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 @@Dulset Tarn, Perhaps you would like to comment on a thread of mine? You sound like exactly the type of person I was reaching out to. http://mlpforums.com/topic/98515-pacifists-take-on-the-martial-arts/ My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkie-Guy 563 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 This is really only featured during the season openers and finales so it makes the show alot more awesome for me Besides how else could Twilight have battled Tirek? True, most of the episodes are slice of life. The violence on the show is merely fantasy violence and I'm fine with it as long as it keeps the same content rating and overall tone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulset Tarn 441 January 9, 2015 Author Share January 9, 2015 True, most of the episodes are slice of life. The violence on the show is merely fantasy violence and I'm fine with it as long as it keeps the same content rating and overall tone. Now here's an interesting one. What is "fantasy violence"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 (edited) Well considering Dulset has made his opinion clear, this thread sounds less like it's asking our opinion and more like an inditement on DHX. To that, I would say I vehemently disagree. Yes, they have solved some problems with violence, not only do I not see that as a problem but they don't do it always. Violence is not the default option, and that's what's truly important. Spike's lesson with the pets, convincing Ms. Harshwhinny to host the games at the Crystal Empire, redeeming Discord, all and more solved through non-violent measures. MLP is not DBZ and it never will be, that doesn't mean the Mane Six can't mix it up like the Powerpuff Girls if the situation demands it. Now here's an interesting one. What is "fantasy violence"? Well, there's two ways one can interpret it. One is violence where the means are fantastical, and one is violence where the result is fantastical. Casting a spell that knocks someone into a wall? The former. Shooting someone in the head with a revolver and them getting up and complaining about it? The latter. Edited January 9, 2015 by Steel Accord 3 My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilt 286 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 Well considering Dulset has made his opinion clear, this thread sounds less like it's asking our opinion and more like an inditement on DHX. To that, I would say I vehemently disagree. Yes, they have solved some problems with violence, not only do I not see that as a problem but they don't do it always. Violence is not the default option, and that's what's truly important. Spike's lesson with the pets, convincing Ms. Harshwhinny to host the games at the Crystal Empire, redeeming Discord, all and more solved through non-violent measures. MLP is not DBZ and it never will be, that doesn't mean the Mane Six can't mix it up like the Powerpuff Girls if the situation demands it. Quoted for Truth. I came in here with my opinion and was just flat out called wrong...it's an opinion, I can't be wrong. 2 My pony OC If you would like to Roleplay please Private message me, I only like one on one Roleplays cause groups get overwhelming and becoming attention contests, I like to rp with people equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulset Tarn 441 January 9, 2015 Author Share January 9, 2015 Well considering Dulset has made his opinion clear, this thread sounds less like it's asking our opinion and more like an inditement on DHX. To that, I would say I vehemently disagree. Yes, they have solved some problems with violence, not only do I not see that as a problem but they don't do it always. Violence is not the default option, and that's what's truly important. Spike's lesson with the pets, convincing Ms. Harshwhinny to host the games at the Crystal Empire, redeeming Discord, all and more solved through non-violent measures. MLP is not DBZ and it never will be, that doesn't mean the Mane Six can't mix it up like the Powerpuff Girls if the situation demands it. Well hang on, just because my opinion is against it doesn't mean I'm trying to rail on them under the guise of discussion. I just want to discuss our different opinions and make sure all the facts are present. I just think I never would have started liking the show in the first place if they beat up the manticore, shot lasers at the hydra, and did a sonic rainbomb on the dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkie-Guy 563 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 Now here's an interesting one. What is "fantasy violence"? Twilight and Tirek are shooting energy blasts at each other, but no one is losing limbs or anything. You could call it Cartoon Violence as opposed to death and dismemberment violence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulset Tarn 441 January 9, 2015 Author Share January 9, 2015 Quoted for Truth. I came in here with my opinion and was just flat out called wrong...it's an opinion, I can't be wrong. When you're offering a different "opinion" about what violence is then you're not just offering your opinion, you're being pointlessly semantic at best and factually incorect at worst. Twilight and Tirek are shooting energy blasts at each other, but no one is losing limbs or anything. You could call it Cartoon Violence as opposed to death and dismemberment violence. So just violence, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindShear 543 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 I am curious, why is it that you don't think that blasting discord with the elements and turning him into stone, and banishing the changelings from Canterlot with a magical shield blast don't count as violence? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkie-Guy 563 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 (edited) Well considering Dulset has made his opinion clear, this thread sounds less like it's asking our opinion and more like an inditement on DHX. To that, I would say I vehemently disagree. Yes, they have solved some problems with violence, not only do I not see that as a problem but they don't do it always. Violence is not the default option, and that's what's truly important. Spike's lesson with the pets, convincing Ms. Harshwhinny to host the games at the Crystal Empire, redeeming Discord, all and more solved through non-violent measures. MLP is not DBZ and it never will be, that doesn't mean the Mane Six can't mix it up like the Powerpuff Girls if the situation demands it. Well, there's two ways one can interpret it. One is violence where the means are fantastical, and one is violence where the result is fantastical. Casting a spell that knocks someone into a wall? The former. Shooting someone in the head with a revolver and them getting up and complaining about it? The latter. I don't know that violence was ever an option to begin with in some episodes. They weren't going to get Ms. Harshwinny to host the games at the Crystal Empire by putting a hoof in her face. You can really only compare the episodes where violence was a legitimate choice to begin with. Edited February 1, 2015 by Pinkie-Guy 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulset Tarn 441 January 9, 2015 Author Share January 9, 2015 I am curious, why is it that you don't think that blasting discord with the elements and turning him into stone, and banishing the changelings from Canterlot with a magical shield blast don't count as violence? For the same reason that exploding Sombre didn't count. I don't know that violence was ever an option to begin with in some episodes. They weren't going to get Ms. Harshwinny to host the games at the Crystal Empire by putting a hoof in her face. You can really only compare the episode where violence was a legitimate choice to begin with. Thank you. Nowadays they use violence just about every chance they get, while the first two seasons had DOZENS of dangerous monsters and not one dealt with by violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 Well hang on, just because my opinion is against it doesn't mean I'm trying to rail on them under the guise of discussion. I just want to discuss our different opinions and make sure all the facts are present. I just think I never would have started liking the show in the first place if they beat up the manticore, shot lasers at the hydra, and did a sonic rainbomb on the dragon. To clarify, much of what you say sounds rather critical of the decisions made of the Mane Six when forced to defend themselves. As if they've become worse than those they fight. You can see why most of us would take issue with that stance. 1 My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindShear 543 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 For the same reason that exploding Sombre didn't count. I believe you said it didn't count because they didn't intend to blow up Sombra. In these situations however, they did intend to turn discord into stone, and they did intend to get rid of the changelings by bashing them with a wall of magical energy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 I don't know that violence was ever an option to begin with in some episodes. They weren't going to get Ms. Harshwinny to host the games at the Crystal Empire by putting a hoof in her face. You can really only compare the episode where violence was a legitimate choice to begin with. I agree. My point is the Mane Six face many different kinds of problems, and yet they are always equipped to handle them. Combat is just one more type of problem they can deal with. 1 My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Bot 183 January 9, 2015 Share January 9, 2015 From what I can understand, you (OP) are getting at the idea that violence in MLP being posed as a solution as opposed to a horrid idea is not a good direction for the show. If we want to get technical, violence has yet to have solved any problem in MLP, it's always the Deus ex Machina of the season. And the use of violence usually isn't the moral of the episode, and by usually I mean not once (the closest they come to is "be assertive I guess" in the Fluttershy episode where she's mean I forgot the name). Besides, even if you look at the use of violence as some sort of impression, but violence is never proposed as the solution to be jumped to, but when there's not much else you can do it's an option, sometimes your only one. Again though, I don't really see what you're getting at. So, I'm just going to ask, is this violence bad to you? 2 I don't like you. My OC's thus far: Feverfew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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