flutterJackdash 218 September 24, 2022 Share September 24, 2022 1 - - - - - 0.00% 0.000000000000000% 2 16 16 16 16 16 100.00% 100.000000000000000% 3 47 31 15 (1) (17) 65.96% -34.042553191489400% 4 105 58 27 12 13 55.24% -10.719351570415400% 5 204 99 41 14 2 48.53% -6.708683473389360% 6 363 159 60 19 5 43.80% -4.727758872143900% 7 602 239 80 20 1 39.70% -4.100656214821120% 8 945 343 104 24 4 36.30% -3.404700381444560% 9 1,418 473 130 26 2 33.36% -2.939455675703920% 10 2,049 631 158 28 2 30.80% -2.561330615711950% 11 2,870 821 190 32 4 28.61% -2.189238227876940% 12 3,914 1,044 223 33 1 26.67% -1.932791960958520% 13 5,218 1,304 260 37 4 24.99% -1.683062031453170% 14 6,819 1,601 297 37 - 23.48% -1.511901873167840% 15 8,759 1,940 339 42 5 22.15% -1.329868805589960% 16 11,080 2,321 381 42 - 20.95% -1.200993676231110% 17 13,828 2,748 427 46 4 19.87% -1.074931416296550% 18 17,050 3,222 474 47 1 18.90% -0.975361309494019% 19 20,795 3,745 523 49 2 18.01% -0.888223892078727% 20 25,116 4,321 576 53 4 17.20% -0.804964172778341% 21 30,066 4,950 629 53 - 16.46% -0.740392954261573% 22 35,702 5,636 686 57 4 15.79% -0.677549221414306% 23 42,082 6,380 744 58 1 15.16% -0.625354079077098% 24 49,267 7,185 805 61 3 14.58% -0.577077898400416% 25 57,318 8,051 866 61 - 14.05% -0.537600083903672% 26 66,300 8,982 931 65 4 13.55% -0.498687089680988% 27 76,280 9,980 998 67 2 13.08% -0.464134280229780% 28 87,326 11,046 1,066 68 1 12.65% -0.434223286253041% 29 99,509 12,183 1,137 71 3 12.24% -0.406040057525267% 30 112,902 13,393 1,210 73 2 11.86% -0.380613466778131% 31 127,578 14,676 1,283 73 - 11.50% -0.358949452489622% 32 143,615 16,037 1,361 78 5 11.17% -0.336889904825488% 33 161,090 17,475 1,438 77 (1) 10.85% -0.318687681422961% 34 180,085 18,995 1,520 82 5 10.55% -0.300176308994374% 35 200,681 20,596 1,601 81 (1) 10.26% -0.284742573590399% 36 222,963 22,282 1,686 85 4 9.99% -0.269467920305205% 37 247,016 24,053 1,771 85 - 9.74% -0.256160464072772% 38 272,929 25,913 1,860 89 4 9.49% -0.243015281462634% 39 300,792 27,863 1,950 90 1 9.26% -0.231198846719979% 40 330,696 29,904 2,041 91 1 9.04% -0.220465579549864% 41 362,735 32,039 2,135 94 3 8.83% -0.210127354013363% 42 397,004 34,269 2,230 95 1 8.63% -0.200715900865454% 43 433,601 36,597 2,328 98 3 8.44% -0.191654890960331% 44 472,625 39,024 2,427 99 1 8.26% -0.183384798471674% 45 514,177 41,552 2,528 101 2 8.08% -0.175599418746299% 46 558,360 44,183 2,631 103 2 7.91% -0.168268644711313% 47 605,278 46,918 2,735 104 1 7.75% -0.161515714769669% 48 655,038 49,760 2,842 107 3 7.60% -0.154973633890658% 49 707,748 52,710 2,950 108 1 7.45% -0.148939768725870% 50 763,517 55,769 3,059 109 1 7.30% -0.143341029569838% 51 822,458 58,941 3,172 113 4 7.17% -0.137780079791280% 52 884,684 62,226 3,285 113 - 7.03% -0.132747065528353% 53 950,311 65,627 3,401 116 3 6.91% -0.127853400208215% 54 1,019,455 69,144 3,517 116 - 6.78% -0.123397023550373% 55 1,092,236 72,781 3,637 120 4 6.66% -0.118960838451759% 56 1,168,774 76,538 3,757 120 - 6.55% -0.114915236728311% 57 1,249,191 80,417 3,879 122 2 6.44% -0.111045041950153% 58 1,333,611 84,420 4,003 124 2 6.33% -0.107344627412047% 59 1,422,160 88,549 4,129 126 2 6.23% -0.103807773291689% 60 1,514,965 92,805 4,256 127 1 6.13% -0.100489870028770% 61 1,612,156 97,191 4,386 130 3 6.03% -0.097249150334477% 62 - - - - 0.00% 0.000000000000000% So, I'm trying to establish a pattern for this level table (Final Fantasy III DS) so that I can more easily fill out the remainder of the table, but I'm having trouble picking up any patterns within any of the differentiations I've calculated. So far I've found nothing consistent, so I'm having to do this the old fashioned way which is slow and tedious. I wonder if anyone else can spot a pattern? I've also uploaded the table as a PNG file for less strenuous on the eyes viewing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,564 September 24, 2022 Share September 24, 2022 I can't see any pattern because I don't know what to look for. I don't know the Final Fantasy games. But I do see the DS in there, which means you can use Nintendo DS emulators to debug the game, read through memory, even step through or remove ARM assembly code. Anything to help you find the actual questions you are looking for. In the long term, it is a win to use the tools to disassemble as much of the game as possible, especially in the areas you are most interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brony Number 42 10,069 September 24, 2022 Share September 24, 2022 Why do you need the pattern? Why does that help? This is my new signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flutterJackdash 218 September 24, 2022 Author Share September 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Splashee said: I can't see any pattern because I don't know what to look for. I don't know the Final Fantasy games. But I do see the DS in there, which means you can use Nintendo DS emulators to debug the game, read through memory, even step through or remove ARM assembly code. Anything to help you find the actual questions you are looking for. In the long term, it is a win to use the tools to disassemble as much of the game as possible, especially in the areas you are most interested in. I'm attempting to spot the pattern for the learning curve which tells me how the amount of experience increases from one level to the next. This particular copy of Final Fantasy 3 DS was acquired on Steam for PC, but all of what you said still aplies. 5 minutes ago, Patriotic Brony 42 said: Why do you need the pattern? Why does that help? It helps to fill out the table the rest of the way without having to spend hours gaining individual levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,564 September 24, 2022 Share September 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, flutterJackdash said: the learning curve Is the learning curve the same for everyone playing? Sadly, I can't see a pattern. But I know that if the game has a pattern, you can and will find it! When I had to discover how a secret grading system was made, for a game that was played by very smart people, and almost impossible for myself to even reach, I had to dive into the game's code. It didn't take long to find the real answers, and it was, interesting, to see that a lot of what people saw was true, even when they didn't have proof. So it is possible to figure a lot of things out from looking at patterns. Especially when you know the game. I would still suggest diving into the game's mechanics. It is sometimes a slow start, to find the right places, but it saves a lot of time in the end. The emulator "NO$GBA 2.7 Debug Free" has the ability to "NOP" out function calls, or return from functions early "BX LR" in the code debugger's "change instruction". If you simply did something wrong, you can just reload the game and try again. The memory viewer is all there, and break points and watch points can help you to home in on what is actually happening. Nothing stands in your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brony Number 42 10,069 September 24, 2022 Share September 24, 2022 I tried pasting that into excel, but you have leading spaces. I tried to trim them out but they are not standard ASCII code 32 spaces, so the Trim function didn't remove them. Could your repost the data without leading spaces? This is my new signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flutterJackdash 218 September 24, 2022 Author Share September 24, 2022 (edited) Absolutely 1 - - - - - 0.00% 0.000000000000000% 2 16 16 16 16 16 100.00% 100.000000000000000% 3 47 31 15 (1) (17) 65.96% -34.042553191489400% 4 105 58 27 12 13 55.24% -10.719351570415400% 5 204 99 41 14 2 48.53% -6.708683473389360% 6 363 159 60 19 5 43.80% -4.727758872143900% 7 602 239 80 20 1 39.70% -4.100656214821120% 8 945 343 104 24 4 36.30% -3.404700381444560% 9 1,418 473 130 26 2 33.36% -2.939455675703920% 10 2,049 631 158 28 2 30.80% -2.561330615711950% 11 2,870 821 190 32 4 28.61% -2.189238227876940% 12 3,914 1,044 223 33 1 26.67% -1.932791960958520% 13 5,218 1,304 260 37 4 24.99% -1.683062031453170% 14 6,819 1,601 297 37 - 23.48% -1.511901873167840% 15 8,759 1,940 339 42 5 22.15% -1.329868805589960% 16 11,080 2,321 381 42 - 20.95% -1.200993676231110% 17 13,828 2,748 427 46 4 19.87% -1.074931416296550% 18 17,050 3,222 474 47 1 18.90% -0.975361309494019% 19 20,795 3,745 523 49 2 18.01% -0.888223892078727% 20 25,116 4,321 576 53 4 17.20% -0.804964172778341% 21 30,066 4,950 629 53 - 16.46% -0.740392954261573% 22 35,702 5,636 686 57 4 15.79% -0.677549221414306% 23 42,082 6,380 744 58 1 15.16% -0.625354079077098% 24 49,267 7,185 805 61 3 14.58% -0.577077898400416% 25 57,318 8,051 866 61 - 14.05% -0.537600083903672% 26 66,300 8,982 931 65 4 13.55% -0.498687089680988% 27 76,280 9,980 998 67 2 13.08% -0.464134280229780% 28 87,326 11,046 1,066 68 1 12.65% -0.434223286253041% 29 99,509 12,183 1,137 71 3 12.24% -0.406040057525267% 30 112,902 13,393 1,210 73 2 11.86% -0.380613466778131% 31 127,578 14,676 1,283 73 - 11.50% -0.358949452489622% 32 143,615 16,037 1,361 78 5 11.17% -0.336889904825488% 33 161,090 17,475 1,438 77 (1) 10.85% -0.318687681422961% 34 180,085 18,995 1,520 82 5 10.55% -0.300176308994374% 35 200,681 20,596 1,601 81 (1) 10.26% -0.284742573590399% 36 222,963 22,282 1,686 85 4 9.99% -0.269467920305205% 37 247,016 24,053 1,771 85 - 9.74% -0.256160464072772% 38 272,929 25,913 1,860 89 4 9.49% -0.243015281462634% 39 300,792 27,863 1,950 90 1 9.26% -0.231198846719979% 40 330,696 29,904 2,041 91 1 9.04% -0.220465579549864% 41 362,735 32,039 2,135 94 3 8.83% -0.210127354013363% 42 397,004 34,269 2,230 95 1 8.63% -0.200715900865454% 43 433,601 36,597 2,328 98 3 8.44% -0.191654890960331% 44 472,625 39,024 2,427 99 1 8.26% -0.183384798471674% 45 514,177 41,552 2,528 101 2 8.08% -0.175599418746299% 46 558,360 44,183 2,631 103 2 7.91% -0.168268644711313% 47 605,278 46,918 2,735 104 1 7.75% -0.161515714769669% 48 655,038 49,760 2,842 107 3 7.60% -0.154973633890658% 49 707,748 52,710 2,950 108 1 7.45% -0.148939768725870% 50 763,517 55,769 3,059 109 1 7.30% -0.143341029569838% 51 822,458 58,941 3,172 113 4 7.17% -0.137780079791280% 52 884,684 62,226 3,285 113 - 7.03% -0.132747065528353% 53 950,311 65,627 3,401 116 3 6.91% -0.127853400208215% 54 1,019,455 69,144 3,517 116 - 6.78% -0.123397023550373% 55 1,092,236 72,781 3,637 120 4 6.66% -0.118960838451759% 56 1,168,774 76,538 3,757 120 - 6.55% -0.114915236728311% 57 1,249,191 80,417 3,879 122 2 6.44% -0.111045041950153% 58 1,333,611 84,420 4,003 124 2 6.33% -0.107344627412047% 59 1,422,160 88,549 4,129 126 2 6.23% -0.103807773291689% 60 1,514,965 92,805 4,256 127 1 6.13% -0.100489870028770% 61 1,612,156 97,191 4,386 130 3 6.03% -0.097249150334477% 62 1,713,863 101,707 4,516 130 - 5.93% -0.094263295521635% 63 1,820,219 106,356 4,649 133 3 5.84% -0.091338476995373% 64 1,931,358 111,139 4,783 134 1 5.75% -0.088584749107872% 65 2,047,416 116,058 4,919 136 2 5.67% -0.085937481799434% 66 2,168,531 121,115 5,057 138 2 5.59% -0.083393644273375% 67 2,294,842 126,311 5,196 139 1 5.50% -0.080991088303937% 68 2,426,490 131,648 5,337 141 2 5.43% -0.078676280262261% 69 2,563,618 137,128 5,480 143 2 5.35% -0.076447075174441% 70 2,706,370 142,752 5,624 144 1 5.27% -0.074336049946634% 71 2,854,892 148,522 5,770 146 2 5.20% -0.072298378766940% 72 3,009,331 154,439 5,917 147 1 5.13% -0.070364003600539% 73 3,169,837 160,506 6,067 150 3 5.06% -0.068463300099314% 74 3,336,561 166,724 6,218 151 1 5.00% -0.066659602521481% 75 3,509,656 173,095 6,371 153 2 4.93% -0.064916677486173% 76 3,689,275 179,619 6,524 153 - 4.87% -0.063284681402187% 77 3,875,574 186,299 6,680 156 3 4.81% -0.061676088565201% 78 4,068,711 193,137 6,838 158 2 4.75% -0.060119862405290% 79 4,268,845 200,134 6,997 159 1 4.69% -0.058637154648915% 80 4,476,137 207,292 7,158 161 2 4.63% -0.057200239525571% 81 4,690,748 214,611 7,319 161 - 4.58% -0.055849000658497% 82 4,912,843 222,095 7,484 165 4 4.52% -0.054495647165497% 83 5,142,587 229,744 7,649 165 - 4.47% -0.053223056572793% 84 5,380,148 237,561 7,817 168 3 4.42% -0.051968608509368% 85 5,625,694 245,546 7,985 168 - 4.36% -0.050786790375073% 86 5,879,395 253,701 8,155 170 2 4.32% -0.049636870891776% 87 6,141,423 262,028 8,327 172 2 4.27% -0.048518653556860% 88 6,411,952 270,529 8,501 174 2 4.22% -0.047431800065557% 89 6,691,157 279,205 8,676 175 1 4.17% -0.046390179628803% 90 6,979,214 288,057 8,852 176 1 4.13% -0.045390319667223% 91 7,276,301 297,087 9,030 178 2 4.08% -0.044415944151668% 92 7,582,599 306,298 9,211 181 3 4.04% -0.043454274592911% 93 7,898,288 315,689 9,391 180 (1) 4.00% -0.042556208585879% 94 8,223,552 325,264 9,575 184 4 3.96% -0.041655633023027% 95 8,558,575 335,023 9,759 184 - 3.91% -0.040802084894629% 96 8,903,543 344,968 9,945 186 2 3.87% -0.039969199713646% 97 9,258,643 355,100 10,132 187 1 3.84% -0.039167278964136% 98 9,624,065 365,422 10,322 190 3 3.80% -0.038374209136276% 99 9,999,999 375,934 10,512 190 - 3.76% -0.037620679503556% Edit: It appears that the forum's editor is replacing tabs with sets of spaces, so perhaps just a direct copy of the sheet then... FFIII Numbers.xlsx Edited September 24, 2022 by flutterJackdash Attached Spreadsheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brony Number 42 10,069 September 24, 2022 Share September 24, 2022 I will look at it later. I have a lot of work to do right now. This is my new signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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