Why all these changes? (And other stuff)

[Vicke 3,189]

So a few days ago a few new things were added to the site. Some were upgrades and some were new features.

One of them was the name change on the Admins.....again....

And now i ask, why?

Why do you keep changing the names? Why not just let them be stated as ''Admin''?

It is quite annoying to see these constant changes, because its not the first or the second time you change it.

 

Also you have added Stewards.

Now info like this should come out BEFORE the change and not after. Because i'm pretty sure nobody knows exactly what it is, except for the creator himself.

An explanation on what they are and what kind of purpose they serve would be nice.

 

 

Some of the moderators are not doing their job properly.

I've even seen some moderators breaking some of the rules, and am i wrong if i say that all the rules should be within the mods knowledge? No, its not the first time, this mod(s) have been doing a lot of mistakes in the past.

 

And as always, i'm doing this to make this site a better place, not because i wanna throw shit on someone. If anyone feels targeted, let me know.

<3 Vicke

[NavelColt 22,881]

While I'm confused on the name changes as well, I assumed they were still in the process of tweaking things elsewhere that might have to do with that change, before they announced it. But I do expect some explanation is coming soon, regardless of members asking about it.

[Vicke 3,189]

While I'm confused on the name changes as well, I assumed they were still in the process of tweaking things elsewhere that might have to do with that change, before they announced it. But I do expect some explanation is coming soon, regardless of members asking about it.

 

Its been over 24 hours now.

And with that many staff members i don't see time as a problem.

But, we will see what happens. I just find it odd to add features and give out the info days later. Should be the other way around.

[Killian Jones 2,655]

Actually, all the people in the "new" positions already held those positions, now they merely have an official title instead of looking like ordinary members. They already had the power, now it looks more official.

[Vicke 3,189]

Actually, all the people in the "new" positions already held those positions, now they merely have an official title instead of looking like ordinary members. They already had the power, now it looks more official.

 

But i think hardly any members know what their jobs are and might be mistaking them for moderators.

You Tich, would be a good example.

 

Purple name: Check

Ex moderator: Check

No announcement about it: Check

 

The only difference is the badge, but lets be honest.

Who check if the member is a moderator by the badge?

Edited September 9, 2012 by Vickzilla

[Arylett Charnoa 4,919]

It's still being worked out. There should be a different name color and hopefully, a much better name for them soon.

 

Community Stewards = Extranet peoples for the moment, and future Octavia's Hall critics. It's for anyone who helps out the site, but isn't really a full moderator.

 

Also, if you have specific problems with mods breaking rules and such, this isn't really the place to do it. Submit a support ticket to Moderation Disputes, and a Community Admin (Or... Liason now) should look into it thoroughly.

[Vicke 3,189]

It's still being worked out. There should be a different name color and hopefully, a much better name for them soon.

 

Community Stewards = Extranet peoples for the moment, and future Octavia's Hall critics. It's for anyone who helps out the site, but isn't really a full moderator.

 

Also, if you have specific problems with mods breaking rules and such, this isn't really the place to do it. Submit a support ticket to Moderation Disputes, and a Community Admin (Or... Liason now) should look into it thoroughly.

 

Good to know.

 

Also, i'm not the type who likes to point people out and that would have to be the case if i submit a report.

if i do that i always feel bad xP

 

 

But thanks for the info.

[Twilight Sparkle ✨ 8,527]

Vicke,

 

While I appreciate the feedback (truly, I do), there's no need to act hostile about it. I think you've been here long enough to know that making a fuss isn't necessary to get things changed around here.

 

So a few days ago a few new things were added to the site. Some were upgrades and some were new features.

One of them was the name change on the Admins.....again....

And now i ask, why?

Why do you keep changing the names? Why not just let them be stated as ''Admin''?

It is quite annoying to see these constant changes, because its not the first or the second time you change it.

 

The reason for this change is to make the distinction between the "tech" and "community" admins a bit clearer. Calling both positions "admin" resulted in some confusion over which "admin" does what, and that's a problem when someone comes charging to a community admin with a bug report. "Liaison" really describes Swoop's and Zoop's positions a lot more accurately than "Admin".

 

The change was actually made in response to this thread, in which Star Weaver/Dreamwalker - a relatively active and well-known member - had to be corrected in his assumption that all "admins" are acutely aware of technical issues and changes to the site, even relatively minor ones that take more effort to announce than to fix. This occurred despite the fact that we made an announcement explaining what each position was.

 

Specifically, this:

 

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought since the titles are the same, administrators here should have the same power as administrators on other sites. Sorry about the misconception.

 

The word "admin" comes loaded with certain expectations - that they're an all-powerful entity on the forums with access to everything and the ability to fix anything. This isn't really the case for our "Community Admins" - their job is primarily dealing with the social aspects of the community rather than the technical ones, they have restricted ACP access, and handle the majority of our public relations work (writing up announcements and acting as the preferred point of contact for the upper-level management of the community). There's a word for this, and that word is liaison. Liaisons are pretty high up in authority, but a step below full adminship.

 

With that said, although the change was favoured in the administrative team, the moderating team wasn't too thrilled with it. The reason nothing has been said about it externally is because it isn't finalized. In a way, it's sort of "out there" to see what kind of reaction it would get.

 

I may change the word back to "admins". The sole intention behind the change was only to reduce misunderstandings like the one in the thread I linked to, because too many people come charging in confident they already know what each position here means.

 

Also you have added Stewards.

Now info like this should come out BEFORE the change and not after. Because i'm pretty sure nobody knows exactly what it is, except for the creator himself.

An explanation on what they are and what kind of purpose they serve would be nice.

 

Again, the name isn't finalized. The purpose of the "Stewards" group is to recognize staff members other than moderators and admins. People like Tich and WingedRatchet (who are instrumental to the Minecraft server), Ashbad and Marco23p (our duo of TF2 server admins), and (soon) the entire team of Octavia's Hall Critics. As the MLP Forums community evolves, there will be more and more non-moderator staff members and it is somewhat important that people know who they are.

 

Some of the moderators are not doing their job properly.

I've even seen some moderators breaking some of the rules, and am i wrong if i say that all the rules should be within the mods knowledge? No, its not the first time, this mod(s) have been doing a lot of mistakes in the past.

 

And as always, i'm doing this to make this site a better place, not because i wanna throw shit on someone. If anyone feels targeted, let me know.

<3 Vicke

 

As Arylett said, that belongs in a ticket (which I see you opened - thanks!). Tickets to the "Moderation Disputes" department can only be seen by the administration and will be held in the highest confidentiality, so please let us know via that channel if someone is doing a less than stellar job as a moderator.

[Vicke 3,189]

Vicke,

 

While I appreciate the feedback (truly, I do), there's no need to act hostile about it. I think you've been here long enough to know that making a fuss isn't necessary to get things changed around here.

 

 

 

The reason for this change is to make the distinction between the "tech" and "community" admins a bit clearer. Calling both positions "admin" resulted in some confusion over which "admin" does what, and that's a problem when someone comes charging to a community admin with a bug report. "Liaison" really describes Swoop's and Zoop's positions a lot more accurately than "Admin".

 

The change was actually made in response to this thread, in which Star Weaver/Dreamwalker - a relatively active and well-known member - had to be corrected in his assumption that all "admins" are acutely aware of technical issues and changes to the site, even relatively minor ones that take more effort to announce than to fix. This occurred despite the fact that we made an announcement explaining what each position was.

 

The word "admin" comes loaded with certain expectations - that they're an all-powerful entity on the forums with access to everything and the ability to fix anything. This isn't really the case for our "Community Admins" - their job is primarily dealing with the social aspects of the community rather than the technical ones, they have restricted ACP access, and handle the majority of our public relations work (writing up announcements and acting as the preferred point of contact for the upper-level management of the community). There's a word for this, and that word is liaison. Liaisons are pretty high up in authority, but a step below full adminship.

 

With that said, although the change was favoured in the administrative team, the moderating team wasn't too thrilled with it. The reason nothing has been said about it externally is because it isn't finalized. In a way, it's sort of "out there" to see what kind of reaction it would get.

 

I may change the word back to "admins". The sole intention behind the change was only to reduce misunderstandings like the one in the thread I linked to, because too many people come charging in confident they already know what each position here means.

 

 

 

Again, the name isn't finalized. The purpose of the "Stewards" group is to recognize staff members other than moderators and admins. People like Tich and WingedRatchet (who are instrumental to the Minecraft server), Ashbad and Marco23p (our duo of TF2 server admins), and (soon) the entire team of Octavia's Hall Critics. As the MLP Forums community evolves, there will be more and more non-moderator staff members and it is somewhat important that people know who they are.

 

 

 

As Arylett said, that belongs in a ticket (which I see you opened - thanks!). Tickets to the "Moderation Disputes" department can only be seen by the administration and will be held in the highest confidentiality, so please let us know via that channel if someone is doing a less than stellar job as a moderator.

 

Yeah, this is what i was afraid off. But its not wrong making you voice heard ?

Also, we got this crap out of the way, so it did something, right?

Also, i'm sorry if i offended you in any way. Or acting hostile.

It was never a part of the plan and i was afraid it would turn out like it.

I'm truly sorry <3

Edited September 9, 2012 by Vickzilla

[Zoop 8,384]

Also, i'm not the type who likes to point people out and that would have to be the case if i submit a report.

Eh, we can't really deal with issues that we aren't aware of - better to report than let them go undetected and unknown forever.

[Killian Jones 2,655]

Purple name: Check

Ex moderator: Check

No announcement about it: Check

 

I feel I must reply to this one, Yes, I quit being a global moderator, but my resignation thread also mentioned I would stay on for helping the Minecraft server. As such I have had my group changed to the right one.

 

All has been done is solidify the position I already had.