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Anger is not necessarily a bad thing. Anger can be righteous if it is directed towards a bad action, instead of the person who commits the action. In this case anger can have two purposes: (1) making the person to notice the wrongness in their ways; or (2) protecting yourself or a third party from those actions. The anger of God is always righteous.

 

Agreed, there is a difference between anger, a natural emotion, and wrath, a sin committed with the intent to inflict suffering because of rage or especially hate.

 

 

Proof of B? I can't find the verse right now, but didn't the Bible say that you have to get to the Father through Jesus, and you can't do that unless you know who He is?

 

Who said anything about a verse?

[Sudo Krenton 243]

One of the purposes that God created sex was to give birth to life, and a homosexual sexual act breaks this purpose. A sexual act does not need to necessarily create new life, it only needs to be open to it.

 

 

Adding on to this, yes, some people may consider sex "love." While this may be true i.e. I wouldn't have sex with someone I didn't love or didn't want to spend my life with, remember that there are other ways to say "I love you." Homosexual sex doesn't really say "I love you" in the way way heterosexual sex does. What is a better way to strengthen the bond of unity than to raise a child? It test all sorts of aspects of life. Having sex in a heterosexual relationship essentially means, "I am committed."

 

Alternately, think about it like this: Pornography is bad. It's abusing the body, and treats it as an object. So to would be homosexual sex. It's abusing what sex truly stands for: procreation, and treats it more as an object for gratification.

 

 

 

Proof of B? I can't find the verse right now, but didn't the Bible say that you have to get to the Father through Jesus, and you can't do that unless you know who He is?

 

This verse? 

 

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." John 14:6-7

 

Let me ask you this. If a baby dies at birth, knows nothing about speaking, verbiage, etc. Is that baby doomed to go to Hell? Just because he doesn't know who Jesus is? Just because he died coming out of the womb? Seems unjust, right?

Edited August 3, 2015 by Sudo Krenton

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Homosexual sex doesn't really say "I love you" in the way way heterosexual sex does.

 

Uhhhh bullshit! You don't know what is in two people's hearts when they express that intimate connection the only way two people in love can.

 

Yes, not all sex is love and there are other ways to say "I love you" but who are you to say that someone bringing their boyfriend a gift, taking him out on many dates, sharing his feelings with him, and then consummating their relationship physically, is not love?

 

 

 

This verse?  Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." John 14:6-7

 

That though, depends on your interpretation of "through Him." Just as knowing Him knows His Father, that, to me, means anyone who lives like Jesus is living the Christian life even if they don't "believe" in God. Because their actions say they do whatever their thoughts or words are.

[Sudo Krenton 243]

 

 

bullshit!

Hehehe

 

Maybe I'm being too Christian with my thoughts here rather than being secular. 

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Hehehe

 

Maybe I'm being too Christian with my thoughts here rather than being secular. 

 

 

I would say you weren't being Christian enough.

[Sudo Krenton 243]

 

 

I would say you weren't being Christian enough.

I can't tell if this is a good thing or not. xD 

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I can't tell if this is a good thing or not. xD 

 

My point is that sincerely expressed love, returned and shared equally between two people, should be universally accepted and praised regardless of the genders involved. THAT is a Christian thought according to what I've been taught.

[Sunwalker 981]

Fair warning: note that there were 6 new posts while I typed this one, so please understand if I miss or repeat something that was already said.

 

Proof of B? I can't find the verse right now, but didn't the Bible say that you have to get to the Father through Jesus, and you can't do that unless you know who He is?

It is God's action on someone that sanctifies someone, not the person himself. God is fair, and fairness requires to not blame someone for something that they were not aware that they should not do. So if someone were not even aware that they should follow God, it is not fair to condemn them.

 

Here are some verses I found that support this position (my emphasis):

 

¹⁸ “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. ¹⁹ If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. ²⁰ Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. ²¹ They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. ²² If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. ²³ Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. ²⁴ If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. ²⁵ But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

 

(John 15:18-25)

 

 

And these:

 

³⁵ Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”

³⁶ “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”

³⁷ Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”

³⁸ Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

³⁹ Jesus said,[a] “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”

⁴⁰ Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”

⁴¹ Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

 

(John 9:35-41)

 

 

This isn't supposed to mean that it is OK to people to follow whatever they want, it is just that if they did not know that they should follow the Christian faith then they are not guilty of it. Just because someone did hear about Christ it does not mean that this person is necessarily aware that He is the only way. The person might not had got the correct image of Christianity or by whatever limitation on his part the person is unable to understand the Truth. This is called "invincible ignorance" (in spite of the sound of it, it is not supposed to be offensive), which means that the person wishes to find the truth but for reasons outside of his will he is unable to either find or understand it. People in invincible ignorance can be saved, because they have no guilty on their part. Note that only God can knows for sure who is in this state, because only Him fully knows one's hearth.

 

Anyways, everyone who seeks the truth is doing so through God's action, even if the individual is not aware of it. I found some verses about non-Christians acting through God:

 

³⁸ “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

³⁹ “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, ⁴⁰ for whoever is not against us is for us. ⁴¹ Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

 

(Mark 9:38-41)

 

 

And also this:

 

^23b The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. ²⁴ The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. ²⁵ As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. ²⁶ But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

²⁷ While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. ²⁸ He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. ²⁹ So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”

³⁰ Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me ³¹ and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. ³² Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ ³³ So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”

³⁴ Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism ³⁵ but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. ³⁶ You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. ³⁷ You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— ³⁸ how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

 

(Acts 10:23b-38)

 

 

 

For C, I understand. I was, however, talking about God's morals that don't seem to have an bad effect if they aren't followed.

If something seems without no bad consequence, it might be that either you understood the rule wrong, or that you do not know the consequence, or that this rule isn't supposed to apply to you (for example, it was just a cultural habit of that time that isn't supposed to apply today). Maybe if you give a specif example, I can dig it deeper.

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@@Sunwalker,

 

You know maybe I should just stop talking.   

[Sunwalker 981]

@@Sunwalker,

 

You know maybe I should just stop talking.

Please, don't . Everyone has something to contribute .

Edited August 3, 2015 by Sunwalker

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Please, don't . Everyone has something to contribute .

 

But I contribute almost exactly the same opinions you do, but you do them so much better. Now I know how Pinkie felt in the face of Cheese Sandwich.

[Knight Hadron 372]

Maybe if you give a specif example, I can dig it deeper.

 

Homosexuality, multiple wives/husbands, sexual freedom, headcoverings, beards, women talking in church. That type of stuff.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Homosexuality, multiple wives/husbands, sexual freedom, headcoverings, beards, women talking in church. That type of stuff.

 

First let me ask you something, you wouldn't happen to be a Bible literalist would you?

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I was reading some narrations & sayings of Jesus from Islamic sources and thought you guys would be interested in some of these quotes.

 

Prophet Jesus said, ‘Verily you will never be able to attain that which you love until you are able to endure that which you despise."

Jesus, son of Mary, said: "The world consists of three days: yesterday which has passed, from which you have nothing in your hand; tomorrow of which you do not know whether you will reach it or not; and today in which you are, so avail yourself of it."

Jesus said, "He who seeks after the world is like one who drinks sea water; the more he drinks, the more his thirst increases, until it kills him."

"Jesus, the Messiah, used to take nothing with him but a comb and a jug. Then he saw a man combing his beard with his fingers, so he threw away the comb; and he saw another man drinking from a river with the palms of his hands, so he threw away the jug."

 

"Once someone asked Jesus, "How are you able to walk on water?"
Jesus replied, "With certainty"
Then someone said, "But we also have certainty!"
Jesus then asked them, "Are stone, clay, and gold equal in your eyes?"
They replied, "Certainly not!"
Jesus responded, "They are in mine"

 

We could all learn a lot from these teachings.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Rivendare

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I was reading some narrations & sayings of Jesus from Islamic sources and thought you guys would be interested in some of these quotes.

 

Prophet Jesus said, ‘Verily you will never be able to attain that which you love until you are able to endure that which you despise."

 

Jesus, son of Mary, said: "The world consists of three days: yesterday which has passed, from which you have nothing in your hand; tomorrow of which you do not know whether you will reach it or not; and today in which you are, so avail yourself of it."

 

Jesus said, "He who seeks after the world is like one who drinks sea water; the more he drinks, the more his thirst increases, until it kills him."

 

"Jesus, the Messiah, used to take nothing with him but a comb and a jug. Then he saw a man combing his beard with his fingers, so he threw away the comb; and he saw another man drinking from a river with the palms of his hands, so he threw away the jug."

 

"Once someone asked Jesus, "How are you able to walk on water?"

Jesus replied, "With certainty"

Then someone said, "But we also have certainty!"

Jesus then asked them, "Are stone, clay, and gold equal in your eyes?"

They replied, "Certainly not!"

Jesus responded, "They are in mine"

 

We could all learn a lot from these teachings.

 

Yet so many choose to reflexively reject these words and others because of the book, or name attached to the speaker.

Edited August 4, 2015 by Steel Accord

[IrisPrism 21]

I am born and raise a Roman Catholic.

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I am born and raise a Roman Catholic.

 

More and more of us in the fandom, or at least this forum, it seems. Seriously a good number of posters here are also Catholic, myself included.

[Royal Bro-nee 36]

Sorry I haven't been on in a long time guys. I had problems with my account. Anyways I just wanna say that god is so good. I had a private talk with him and I just feel so blessed right now. Guys...Im really looking forward to going to heaven (NOT ready to die yet tho XD) I have a question..how old is God? I really wanted to know his age for a long time now.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Sorry I haven't been on in a long time guys. I had problems with my account. Anyways I just wanna say that god is so good. I had a private talk with him and I just feel so blessed right now. Guys...Im really looking forward to going to heaven (NOT ready to die yet tho XD) I have a question..how old is God? I really wanted to know his age for a long time now.

 

Interesting question to ask. (Also, I might be nitpicking, but isn't God always a proper noun?) Anyway, I've always thought of God's exact age as being irrelevant. It's like asking what George Washinton's email would be. God created time, so He exists outside of it. If He did not create time, then He is likely older than the physical universe. How old exactly is anyone's guess.

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I have been reading a lot of the posts for the last few days and I just find it interesting that whenever the topic of religion comes along doesn't matter what it really is about there are massive amounts of debates over all of the "new world" stuff. Homosexuality, polygamy, "terrorist" religions, etc, etc. 

 

Yet we always seem to come back to a very simple and constant answer, judge not lest ye not be judged. Love thy neighbor. Let ye who have not sinned cast the first stone. 

 

Isn't it ironic that over all of the religions around the world they all started from the same thing? They all teach the same word just in a slightly different manner. They all put God and His Son first and they all strive to better themselves. 

 

You can look at a flock of sheep and see that they are all congregated within themselves. You can watch them as they are poked and prodded with sticks and some fight back and some run away. You can see that they will stick together until you put a wolf in sheep's clothing with them and just see what happens, those are the ones that start all of the negativity. They are the ones that you think about when you want to dislike another religion. They are the ones that will speak for the flock because they want to be heard and show others that they are powerful.

 

I grew up Mormon and strayed when I was in high school. I researched as many religions as I had access to and went to all of the churches that I could find. None of them felt like home, and I did find my way back to the Mormon sector. I still have questions, I still have doubts, but my faith in myself and in God and His Son outweigh them. I know that I can find the answers that I am looking for. 

 

But after going through what I did to find the right place for me to be I found out that it is all the same, and once you bring media, and controversy into the mix is when you get a world of issues that have no reason to be there. When religion is left for those who choose to believe then things go smoothly.

 

Let those who don't believe or choose not to believe be, you can't push something on them when they don't want it. You have to be respectful to everyone and I would expect the same respect for me. If someone didn't believe in what I believe in I wouldn't want them to try and get me to stop believing. 

 

Well, anyway, that is my two cents. 

 

SMILE!

Edited August 9, 2015 by Stardust*

[Sunwalker 981]

Sorry I haven't been on in a long time guys. I had problems with my account. Anyways I just wanna say that god is so good. I had a private talk with him and I just feel so blessed right now. Guys...Im really looking forward to going to heaven (NOT ready to die yet tho XD) I have a question..how old is God? I really wanted to know his age for a long time now.

 

God is eternal and exists outside time. The concepts of "before", "after" and "age" do not apply to him. God always existed.

 

Since we live within time, we cannot even begin to fathom what it means to exist outside time.

[CosmicHooves 2,705]

Hey guys, maybe someone could pitch in on the latest religious debate?

@Steel Accord seems like he could use some support.

Edited August 9, 2015 by Alduin

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Hey guys, maybe someone could pitch in on the latest religious debate?

@Steel Accord seems like he could use some support.

 

Actually I think I am doing all right. Your thoughts would be appreciated but it's only Stuffy Hooves giving me trouble.

On the other hoof.

 

*stumbles in looking like he came from a war zone* . . . . Help. *collapses*

[Sudo Krenton 243]

Hey guys, maybe someone could pitch in on the latest religious debate? @Steel Accord seems like he could use some support.

I'd be afraid to butcher it, or at the very least, go over something that would already have been said. I'd be more than happy to discuss how I would go about answering some things. Other than that, I don't know :/ I'll keep an eye on the thread and possibly jump in as it progresses.

 

I noticed something from Jokuc about comparing Santa and God... Funny that should be brought up. I was discussing with a friend about that, and he thought that the concept of "modern" Santa was brought around in part so that kids would begin question what is real and not(God, for example). Hehe, just a little conspiracy theory we kinda came up with. 

 

I'd also strongly recommend reading Meditations by Rene Descartes as it may aid your discussion.

 

Snippets coming from the Third Meditation(with a reply to @Jokuc concerning his most recent post)

 

Now, it is evident by the natural light of reason that there must be at least as much reality in an efficient and total cause as in the effect of that cause.

 

...omething which is more perfect -- in other words, that which contains more reality in itself -- cannot be made from that which is less perfect.

 

...[H]eat cannot be produced in something that was not previously hot except by something that is at least of the same order of perfection as heat, and so on for other examples; but it is also true that there cannot be an idea of heat or of a stone in me unless it was put there by some cause in where there is as much reality as I conceive in heat or a stone.

 

And although it is possible for one idea to generate from another, this does not lead to an infinite regress.

 

...[M]y ideas are like images of some kind that can easily fall short of the perfection of things from which they are derived, but they cannot contain something that is greater or more perfect than themselves.

 

(Note from Sudo on the last snippet. Jokuc asked, "What came before god?" Well, I can't imagine anything beyond god... maybe another god(but there's only one God)? But still, it all leads to a Supreme Being. My mind can't go any farther than that. Now, I didn't read the whole discussion going on about "Creationism," but immediately, I see a fallacy going on, that being the fallacy of equivocation. Are we talking about Creationism in the Biblical aspect as in, "God created everything, no evolution occurred, Bible is cannon 1000%, the Earth is not billions of years old," or Creationism in the alternative aspect as in, "I believe God created everything, but the Bible doesn't go into detail, so I still believe evolution is a thing, the earth could have been around for ages, etc?")

 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2015 by Sudo Krenton