Poor development in EG?

[Azrael the alicorn 72]

If I like a flawed movie? Is that not YOUR opinion as well? Yes, it is flawed. There are parts about FiM that are flawed as well. Just because something is flawed doesn't mean it cannot be enjoyed.

 

So you mean that the main series have: a highschool settings ricicled by thousend of teenagers movies, a lame villain, full of plot-holes?

Cause i don't see that. One thing that i love of what Faust did is to take a series and do some change that made people fall in love with this reebot of My Little Pony. I don't like EQG cause it goes against every thing that she has done and it turned right into last generation of MLP.

Even if i say that animation looks good and the voice actor is nice it still dosen't forgive all the other problems that it have.

If you liked it, ok, but please, don't even dare to say that the main series is flawed as the movie, cause is not.

[Moonlight 7,291]

 

 

If you liked it, ok, but please, don't even dare to say that the main series is flawed as the movie, cause is not.

 

But..it is.

 

They're both pretty flawed.

 

For the show - There has been some awful episodes, some failed character development, some plot holes here and there, and a bunch of other things going on in the show.

 

Both are extremely far from perfect. 

 

And I may not be the person you're addressing, but I dare say that the main series is as flawed as the movie.

 

You have to keep in mind, that the movie had only a little over 1 hour to tell a story, while the series has had over at least 20 hours and more to tell multiple stories per episode.

[Azrael the alicorn 72]

The main series also wasn't intended to take off like it did. It was only intended to air for a short time, sell toys, and then get canned. It too contains a load of plot holes, animation glitches, and other problems far beyond whats said of EG. Derpy anyone?

 

Proof of what you're saying? And, it was the first season problems, then they get better and the story was much better than some high-school drama.

It's funny, because at the beginning they tought that EG seemed to be a spin-off show, and i think that the people at Hasbro understood that the idea sucked and they prefered to make a one-movie instead of a series, so that once it was out they could focus more on some serious stuff: Ponies!

The link between the 2 movies you listed?

They're both MOVIE MAKING companies. Disney and Paramount license their toys to OTHER companies for production. Saving them the costs of making things themselves. Being Exclusive to one purpose has its advantages.

 

Hasbro is a TOY company first, and a show/movie company last. They make their own toys, and don't want to spend much on either front.

 

Then maybe, instead to make a movie, they should have focused more about making a series. If you can't afford the money, the time or anything else that big companies that make movies had, you should focus about what you have at your disposition. Maybe they could have tried the comic-book thing to study how Barbie did (at least here in Italy) and study how they could it better.

And still, money didn't make neccesarly quality, watch Children of the Night. 4 minuts long and is made awesome and it looks AMAZING! Why couldn't Hasbro do something like that, something that was made by few people?

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

The main series also wasn't intended to take off like it did. It was only intended to air for a short time, sell toys, and then get canned. It too contains a load of plot holes, animation glitches, and other problems far beyond whats said of EG. Derpy anyone?

 

But the main series also has had time to sink in, get to know each character, and do so in small installments over time. 

 

EG had to do all of this in just under an hour while remaining true to the original, and showing the new.

It was also done for a limited preview release in SELECT theaters, and more for a straight to DVD run.

Production quality in low end products that go direct to DVD usually aren't given high priority, and often end up really bad. 

Even a made for TV movie gets higher standards that a straight to DVD.

So expectations were low from the start. It seems those that either purely hated the concept of it (humanized ponies) or haven't seen it are the only real hold outs trying to nitpick on it for things it had done EXACTLY THE SAME as the series.

Animation, plot holes, and all manner of "issues" can also be found in the series.

 

Toy story was produced by a multi BILLION dollar parent company, one known as Disney. It was made for an all round audience of parents and children. Hasbro isn't that big, nor that popular.

 

Kung Fu Panda was hardly a "masterpiece", but if we're going to nitpick kids movies, that ones got a TON of problems, from plot holes, to animation glitches, right down to a load of inaccuracies in both its "Kung fu" and depiction of chinese culture.

 

KFP also didn't sell very many toys, and its follow up was hardly mentioned outside its tiny circle of interest. But both had more adult themes to them, while using cuddly animals to sell its attraction as a family movie.

it also, again, was produced by a multi BILLION dollar parent company though, so of course its quality would be far higher.

 

The link between the 2 movies you listed?

They're both MOVIE MAKING companies. Disney and Paramount license their toys to OTHER companies for production. Saving them the costs of making things themselves. Being Exclusive to one purpose has its advantages.

 

Hasbro is a TOY company first, and a show/movie company last. They make their own toys, and don't want to spend much on either front.

 

 

 

 

Spike is considered her assistant, but he's often treated as a pet, or maybe child. 

He has a small pet bed rather than his own fuller bed for one, and rides around on Twi's back like a girl carrying her dog in a purse.

 

I said "essentially" her pet though, not that he was. WORDING.. read it.

It still makes more sense than turning him into some other creature. Ponies were the humans, so what were the dragons to become? 

 

Also it was also never said she was going to hit center mass, only that she was going to smash the portal. And who's to say ONE hit was all she intended? Or that a mere crack  in the frame wouldn't disrupt it?

Theres also movie logic to consider, where one hit on something like that would usually cause it to crumble.

I said theres "a chance" for a reason. Again context.

 

If we're bringing body build into this, than lets also look at applejacks lack of frame work and the heavy lifting she does.. 

Given that though, SS shouldn't even have been able to hold the hammer up that long without dropping it.

Again movie logic.

 

 

Could not have said it better myself AT ALL. Perfectly well said. If I could brohoof this 1,000,002 times I would. Sadly, Azrael seems stuck in flat out hating the movie. Really, that is fine, that is his opinion, but his reasons, as you said here, are pretty baseless. I am giving up on discussing this with him, as you summed it up perfectly. Besides, he has disrespected the team that did the movie, which is the same team that does FiM so I have lost interest in this debate anyway.

Edited August 28, 2013 by Kyoshi

[~Silver Essence~ 2,625]

From what I've seen, it's not poorly developed.

 

But would I say this is the mandatory human version every toyline needs? Sort of.

 

But the main writers were there, so they tried and did their best to which I approve.

[Azrael the alicorn 72]

But..it is.

 

They're both pretty flawed.

 

For the show - There has been some awful episodes, some failed character development, some plot holes here and there, and a bunch of other things going on in the show.

 

Both are extremely far from perfect. 

 

And I may not be the person you're addressing, but I dare say that the main series is as flawed as the movie.

 

You have to keep in mind, that the movie had only a little over 1 hour to tell a story, while the series has had over at least 20 hours and more to tell multiple stories per episode.

 

You're free to like Equestria Girls more than the Toy Story Trilogy, but you must admit that makes any thing that you say very biased.

Flawed? Some episodes it is, but is some flaw, not like Equestria Girls. Sure if you take ALL each itsy bitsy tiny error and mistake of both 3 SEASON of course it seems like is as flawed like the movie, but it is not the same thing.

[Moonlight 7,291]

You're free to like Equestria Girls more than the Toy Story Trilogy, but you must admit that makes any thing that you say very biased.

Flawed? Some episodes it is, but is some flaw, not like Equestria Girls. Sure if you take ALL each itsy bitsy tiny error and mistake of both 3 SEASON of course it seems like is as flawed like the movie, but it is not the same thing.

Well, yeah, I'm pretty biased here, but so are you, to be fair. But if you rip apart every detail, they're both bound to be pretty flawed. They're definitely not the same thing, but all I'm saying it's that they're both flawed. Personally, I thought Season 1 was the worst of the three, but each season does have some flaws here and there. 

[Azrael the alicorn 72]

Could not have said it better myself AT ALL. Perfectly well said. If I could brohoof this 1,000,002 times I would. Sadly, Azrael seems stuck in flat out hating the movie. Really, that is fine, that is his opinion, but his reasons, as you said here, are pretty baseless. I am giving up on discussing this with him, as you summed it up perfectly. Besides, he has disrespected the team that did the movie, which is the same team that does FiM so I have lost interest in this debate anyway.

 

You know, before this post i thought that you, despite liking this movie, were a really grown-up brony, who can accept different opinion.

I've answered the question that the one who made this topic ask, and i try to talk to you exchanging point of view. And i was really challanged by your answer, and, despite the difference of opinion, it was interesting. But now i've read this, and im disappointed.

Just because i've said that they didn't try im not saying that the team who made this movie suck, probably they rushed the movie so that they could focus more about the 4° season, who looks like is gonna be awesome.

And sure im not saying that the voice actors sucks just because the movie sucks, that would be like saying that cause if in one movie there is, who know, Idris Elba, and the movie sucks, dosen't mean that Idris Sucks. It's not them fault.

And i think that this dude here explain well why the development is not great http://mlpforums.com/blog/91/entry-4814-mlp-equestria-girls-is-a-developmental-nightmare/ .

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

You know, before this post i thought that you, despite liking this movie, were a really grown-up brony, who can accept different opinion.

I've answered the question that the one who made this topic ask, and i try to talk to you exchanging point of view. And i was really challanged by your answer, and, despite the difference of opinion, it was interesting. But now i've read this, and im disappointed.

Just because i've said that they didn't try im not saying that the team who made this movie suck, probably they rushed the movie so that they could focus more about the 4° season, who looks like is gonna be awesome.

And sure im not saying that the voice actors sucks just because the movie sucks, that would be like saying that cause if in one movie there is, who know, Idris Elba, and the movie sucks, dosen't mean that Idris Sucks. It's not them fault.

And i think that this dude here explain well why the development is not great http://mlpforums.com/blog/91/entry-4814-mlp-equestria-girls-is-a-developmental-nightmare/ .

Gee, did you not read the part where I said 'You hate it, that is your opinion, that is fine.'? I said that your reasons are baseless though. GrimCW perfectly demonstrated why. Ironically you completely ignore his post. You never once said my opinion was interesting, you keep going on about how horrible the movie is and how the team did not even try, that is what I was responding to.

 

Like I said though, I am bored of this. GrimCW and Wheatley, as well as me, we have countered you about some of these baseless reasons, so there is not much else I can get out of this.

[Moonlight 7,291]

 

 

You know, before this post i thought that you, despite liking this movie, were a really grown-up brony,

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa...slow down there, partner. Are you implying that he's not grown up for liking a movie?

I personally agree with both Kyoshi and GrimCW on what they both said.

 

None of us are changing the other's opinion. 

 

 

 

But now i've read this, and im disappointed.

 

....k. 

 

But, I'll just stop here. 

[GrimCW 658]

Proof of what you're saying?

 

Then maybe, instead to make a movie, they should have focused more about making a series. 

 

On point one, its common knowledge, and common practice with hasbro. Most shows get 2-3 seasons and then go away. But Hasbro had dollar signs in their eyes. Its all about sales. and initial contracts go this way. 

 

They extended MLP when they found they could milk the toy money some more. Have you ever noticed the hasbro made items are CHEAP repaints of the SAME thing over and over sold at premium prices? 

TMK its in part why Lauren Faust left. Hasbro wanted more toys to sell, and Faust wanted a more comprehensive story if it was to continue.

Bronies both made and ruined the series by right, sad but true. The market value the fandom added to the series has also degraded the production qualities. Thus we ended up with EQG as a sales pitch for new dolls.

 

On two, if this is how the world worked most movies wouldn't exist. Some great, yet low budget, movies got their start from some craptastic origins. Perfect example is  "Evil Dead", low budget TERRIBLE little college student made horror flick. Took off like a beast and has even been recently remade into a proper movie.  

 

 

Most flop though.

Regardless, Hasbro wanted a piece of the freaky stick figure doll market that Bratz and Monster High has going. So while its popular they needed a cheap cash in, and MLP made their easiest shot.

 

 

You're free to like Equestria Girls more than the Toy Story Trilogy, but you must admit that makes any thing that you say very biased.

Flawed? Some episodes it is, but is some flaw, not like Equestria Girls. Sure if you take ALL each itsy bitsy tiny error and mistake of both 3 SEASON of course it seems like is as flawed like the movie, but it is not the same thing.

 

It IS the same thing, and actually if you take the first 2 episodes of the series (Return to Harmony) its identical in many ways.

EG was a retelling of those 2 episodes put into a high school setting.

It even had the throw back references such as RD's challenge to Twilight. In the original Twilight challenged RD, in EG this was reversed. Obviously in both RD won the challenges.

Flutteryshy's response to being asked her name, and reaction to seeing spike, etc....

The whole mane six coming together as friends to defeat the enemy using the elements of harmony..

Its all right there.

 

 

Could not have said it better myself AT ALL. Perfectly well said. If I could brohoof this 1,000,002 times I would. Sadly, Azrael seems stuck in flat out hating the movie. Really, that is fine, that is his opinion, but his reasons, as you said here, are pretty baseless. I am giving up on discussing this with him, as you summed it up perfectly. Besides, he has disrespected the team that did the movie, which is the same team that does FiM so I have lost interest in this debate anyway.

 

Heh, I'd stop too, its getting repetitive and he's out of reasons to hate on it and is now getting down to petty insults.

But I am pretty bored lately.

Going over post history shows a distinct pattern of just being about to attack the movie..

Edited August 29, 2013 by Twilight Sparkle
Attack on another member

[Azrael the alicorn 72]

Gee, did you not read the part where I said 'You hate it, that is your opinion, that is fine.'? I said that your reasons are baseless though. GrimCW perfectly demonstrated why. Ironically you completely ignore his post. You never once said my opinion was interesting, you keep going on about how horrible the movie is and how the team did not even try, that is what I was responding to.

 

Like I said though, I am bored of this. GrimCW and Wheatley, as well as me, we have countered you about some of these baseless reasons, so there is not much else I can get out of this.

 

You've said that im stuck to say that EQG sucks and that i insult everyone who worked about the movie.

And you didn't read what i've said about the last post i've made where i explain that just because i don't like EQG it dosen't mean that the studio sucks.

On point one, its common knowledge, and common practice with hasbro. Most shows get 2-3 seasons and then go away. But Hasbro had dollar signs in their eyes. Its all about sales. and initial contracts go this way. 

 

They extended MLP when they found they could milk the toy money some more. Have you ever noticed the hasbro made items are CHEAP repaints of the SAME thing over and over sold at premium prices? 

TMK its in part why Lauren Faust left. Hasbro wanted more toys to sell, and Faust wanted a more comprehensive story if it was to continue.

Bronies both made and ruined the series by right, sad but true. The market value the fandom added to the series has also degraded the production qualities. Thus we ended up with EQG as a sales pitch for new dolls.

 

On two, if this is how the world worked most movies wouldn't exist. Some great, yet low budget, movies got their start from some craptastic origins. Perfect example is  "Evil Dead", low budget TERRIBLE little college student made horror flick. Took off like a beast and has even been recently remade into a proper movie.  

 

 

Most flop though.

Regardless, Hasbro wanted a piece of the freaky stick figure doll market that Bratz and Monster High has going. So while its popular they needed a cheap cash in, and MLP made their easiest shot.

 

 

 

It IS the same thing, and actually if you take the first 2 episodes of the series (Return to Harmony) its identical in many ways.

EG was a retelling of those 2 episodes put into a high school setting.

It even had the throw back references such as RD's challenge to Twilight. In the original Twilight challenged RD, in EG this was reversed. Obviously in both RD won the challenges.

Flutteryshy's response to being asked her name, and reaction to seeing spike, etc....

The whole mane six coming together as friends to defeat the enemy using the elements of harmony..

Its all right there.

 

I've asked you proofs and you post me you point of view. Nice way to prove me wrong.

And just beacause it is the same damn thing it should be obvious that they had no inspiration if they had to recicly and mixed up some episode.

And still, despite, listening what you say, they made the series for money, the main series is better, then why the movie couldn't be so.

Well, yeah, I'm pretty biased here, but so are you, to be fair. But if you rip apart every detail, they're both bound to be pretty flawed. They're definitely not the same thing, but all I'm saying it's that they're both flawed. Personally, I thought Season 1 was the worst of the three, but each season does have some flaws here and there. 

 

I think that we both misunderstood the meaning flawed. Flawed is said when something is not perfect and have something that dosen't work but it dosen't mean that such thing is horrible. So, yeah, i guess that MLP FIM is not a perfect show. But is far better than EQG, who is not flawed, but a complete mess.

Thats' my opinion, i guess. So, let's end this discussion here.

[GrimCW 658]

I've asked you proofs and you post me you point of view. Nice way to prove me wrong.

And just beacause it is the same damn thing it should be obvious that they had no inspiration if they had to recicly and mixed up some episode.

And still, despite, listening what you say, they made the series for money, the main series is better, then why the movie couldn't be so.

 

 

Proof? Okay.

Transformers, MLP itself, GI Joe, and ANYTHING hasbro has ever made. Just take a look at the old lineups, and what hasbro has done with its licenses since.

Each new iteration changes slightly simply to add more toys to the lineup.

Then they recolor and throw out different mods a bit. Maybe make a "movie" to make more characters to sell, and eventually reboot it in some way while keeping it the same (Transformers beast wars had regular, transmetals, fuzors, and transmetal 2's added. The new Prime series was getting its "Beast hunters" version that got yanked)

 

 

Its always been a shiny toy commercial at budget.

Even the original transformers movie was just a terrible toy commercial. BUT it was made for theaters, so it had a slightly better production value. SLIGHTLY...

Still it had more flaws than anyone could shake a stick at (Such as Optimus got shot in the chest and dies. Ultra Magnus got blasted to bits and survived...

dozens of NEW characters just for more toys etc...)

Even the new TF series, each one a bit different so they can make new toys, despite they are all the same.

Reusing old stories?

That last transformers movie MBay did, was made from old TF episodes.

The newer TF series even followed a few.

 

The only reason their movies got bigger budgets and better production is Hasbro itself didn't handle them. They however did work on EG themselves.

 

This holds validity in its still hasbro and their business practises. This is their legacy, and how they've always worked. 

 

Its not entirely that they reused story elements either (if this is a flaw, than Disney is the biggest culprit. They buy other peoples stories, or use public domain ones, And re-use whole animatics for their animated films) its that they tried to appeal to long time fans while making things new at the same time (hence th RD challenge was reversed. Same situation, different way of going about it)

This also possibly (just a theory here) points to that they had intended to create a whole EG series, probably going back later to revisit CHS and bring in the Twilight from that universe for a new series.

One that (thankfully) is said won't come to pass.

 

I'm still waiting on a valid argument about why the movie is so much lower in quality than the series it played from. It uses the same animation style, the same voices (something other movies in their past, again TF's, didn't do) props to its own source material, and points to the same purposes in a different way.

 

As to the link of a "review" you posted earlier.

That person only points out a FEW flaws and then stretches them in a very bad manner.

 

They lumped "Bad quality" in over the SECURITY leaks of information. Thats not a quality issue, thats called advertising and bad security. Notice that the dolls are still modeled after those early images too. Also a common toy manufacturer practice. They want to get the toys made, so they'll randomly pick what they think is going in, and then make it. (Fine example of this is the Enterprise-E toy i have in the garage. It was modeled off a VERY early concept that Playmates received from Paramount, and looks NOTHING like the final product)

Might also explain the pink celestia that was released.

 

Sexism that is never explained just alluded too over the artistic styling of the characters, and anti feminism by claiming it goes against the FiM series simply because its not fantasy and in a high school setting.

 

Or that somehow it doesn't fill the FiM purpose. Despite it follows the same premise in that the characters join together as friends, and its the magic of friendship that binds them together and saves the day.

 

Each point drawn out with the same complaints over not liking the new character designs and trying to say it was bad quality just because information leaked early, and not much else at all given.

No real new information, no real argument, just a random hardly legible rant of the same 3 main points (sexism, anti feminism, and quality problems) over and over.

Edited August 29, 2013 by GrimCW

[Azrael the alicorn 72]

Proof? Okay.

Transformers, MLP itself, GI Joe, and ANYTHING hasbro has ever made. Just take a look at the old lineups, and what hasbro has done with its licenses since.

Each new iteration changes slightly simply to add more toys to the lineup.

 

That is your point of view, again.

But i guess that your not totally wrong about some things, i admit. I guess we can end this discussion here, cuz we're both stubborn .

Probably im taking to much serious this movie.

[GrimCW 658]

That is your point of view, again.

 

Thats not a point of view, thats a fact.. no really, go look at anything else that Hasbro owns.

its their history...

They make them for toy sales, and when the sales dip, the show dies. If it sells toys, it stays on the air longer until that ceases.

Transformers Prime is gone in part because its beast hunter toys didn't sell well, Beast Machines also got yanked due to low toy sales.

 

Hell, Hasbro isn't the only one to do this.

That awesome Thunder cats reboot.. WB/CN canceled it after one season because it didn't sell toys.

 

meh agree to disagree i suppose regardless...

Edited August 29, 2013 by GrimCW