Will the new policies added to Youtube, hinder new brony content?

[LordDiscord 289]

As many of you might be aware of, Youtube has added a tighter restraint on copyrighted material and has started to issue content strikes and flag Youtubers videos even the Partners of Youtube such as PewDiePie, Smosh, Angry Joe, ect. and a lot of these people has had there videos flagged which means all the ad revenue they were receiving; all of it is now given to the company that issued the copyright claim.

And the most disturbing part of all of this is that the system is completely biased and will flag a video (even if you did most of the animation and voice work yourself) if there is a sample of copyrighted music in it even if it only last for 10- 30 seconds and will also flag a video for using clips from a show or trailer.

 

How do many of you feel about this and do you think that this could stiffen the content that bronies can create, considering that we still have a movie in the works about '' My Little Dashie'' and the fan made movie ''Journey of the Spark'' that could be hindered thanks to this new policy.

 

(Also sorry in advance if this isn't the right forum as I did not know which one to put this in.)

[NavelColt 22,882]

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[AnonBrony 1,468]

Hasbro has been pretty lenient so far. The only thing they have taken down are episodes. And they only do that until the episode is up on their website after that they don't mind. Hasbro also likes us Bronies. Though even though this new policy gives a lot more power to companies, it is still up to the companies to use that power. And honestly I don't see Hasbro doing that A LOT. I mean if they were super serious about taking down all the MLP related stuff, they would of done that years ago. I think Hasbro isn't really going to interfere with us unless under certain circumstances. But for the most part I think they will continue to be lenient with us unless something major happens. 

 

As for movies and big projects like the ones you've mentioned. I don't think Hasbro would take them down if they were just on Youtube. If they made their way outside the Internet, like say if 'Journey of the Spark' somehow were to win an award at some film contest or something, then Hasbro might get a bit swingy with the Copyright Hammer. If they just stay with in the community and on Youtube and the Internet I think they will be fine.

Edited December 14, 2013 by AnonBrony

[Nomadic 210]

Hasbro has been pretty lenient so far. The only thing they have taken down are episodes. And they only do that until the episode is up on their website after that they don't mind. Hasbro also likes us Bronies. Though even though this new policy gives a lot more power to companies, it is still up to the companies to use that power. And honestly I don't see Hasbro doing that A LOT. I mean if they were super serious about taking down all the MLP related stuff, they would of done that years ago. I think Hasbro isn't really going to interfere with us unless under certain circumstances. But for the most part I think they will continue to be lenient with us unless something major happens. 

Yet we've also seen this new system auto-flag content, despite people being legally in the right. In addition, there has been reports from a few channels that I visit that with this system there has been a rise of people flagging content misrepresenting the company.

 

Even if this does hinder content on Youtube, I can see most of the content been moved to another Video hosting website if it gets too far out of hand.

[AnonBrony 1,468]

Yet we've also seen this new system auto-flag content, despite people being legally in the right. In addition, there has been reports from a few channels that I visit that with this system there has been a rise of people flagging content misrepresenting the company.

 

Even if this does hinder content on Youtube, I can see most of the content been moved to another Video hosting website if it gets too far out of hand.

'Auto-Flag' They must be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Why would they trust some program to make judgement if a video is in Fair Use? This basically blows the Fair use law out of the water. This is too far. 

 

I sure hope it does not come to the point where we have to switch sites. Youtube is by far the most convenient, easiest, and overall better Video host website, Plus people to turn video making into a job with Youtube.  I pity the people who would lose their jobs because of this. And there are A LOT of people. And I REALLY don't wish to go and start using Daily Motion or something.

[LordDiscord 289]

Problem is, that it doesn't have to be Hasbro that claims it. There has been many reports that people has had their videos flagged by companies that don't have any right what so ever to that content, and because the stupid system is automated the machine flags the video and then Youtube  eventually takes it down.

[Freewave 1,145]

When they flag a video it tells you who "owns" that content and whether you want to agree to their claim or claim it as far use. So you are alerted, allowed a choice, and can choose what path you want. There is a bit of detail to this that people are leaving out. Yes Hasbro video footage used in pmv's or songs will be auto flagged but every one of those acknowledgments of those claims resulted in them leaving my pmv's up.. One of the benefits of this policy is you can still upload some copywritten material and they will leave the content up and just give a refferal link to itunes for the track you used. Thats better then a takedown of the upload AND your channel. That's a decent compromise and no one should be generating a lot of revenue off copywritten material that they dont own. Making youtube videos really shouldn't be your sole job, should it? 

Edited December 14, 2013 by Freewave

[Scootalove 10,689]

I think that videos being flagged by companies don't even own any rights to the content in the video, is really stupid. Sometimes I question how Youtube just throws the ''fair use'' rule out of the window, at least you're able to upload copyright material as long as you give credit correct me if I'm long.

[LordDiscord 289]

What one considers there job is there business, if they are getting paid well enough to live by uploading videos on Youtube then it is a job that they could live off of. When someone makes a video animation or song that they made themselves or a lets play and put that time and effort into it, then company or corporation should NOT gain all revenue from said video, the only thing they should get paid for is the sound clip or song that was used and nothing more. And considering that most lets players that play these games or reviewers gives these companies free advertisement that they don't have to spend a penny on because it is the ads added to your video and the people who placed the ads that is paying you.

[Freewave 1,145]

What one considers there job is there business, if they are getting paid well enough to live by uploading videos on Youtube then it is a job that they could live off of. When someone makes a video animation or song that they made themselves or a lets play and put that time and effort into it, then company or corporation should NOT gain all revenue from said video, the only thing they should get paid for is the sound clip or song that was used and nothing more. And considering that most lets players that play these games or reviewers gives these companies free advertisement that they don't have to spend a penny on because it is the ads added to your video and the people who placed the ads that is paying you.

 

But that's not how the law works. If you're using other people's copywritten material and expecting to make income off that you've been doing it wrong. If you don't get permission (and most don't) for content and it's detected then it goes to the person who owns that copyright. That's how it should work. I know people like to create off existing work  (commentary, sample, remix, or cover) ,and i defintely do too, but you do give up those rights when you upload it. You aren't even allowed to tap into commerical ventures on youtube w/o majority of your content being original. I'm just happy if they do less takedowns and they syphon money away instead. Fair use is technically for educational and personal reasons, and not for profit. I do think people should be allowed to use stuff if there's no profit but if they choose to take stuff down they can do that too.

 

Bronies  like Silva Hound both used copyritten samples all over their work both pony (MLP dialogue samples) and commerical music (Phil Collins, Stardust, assorted disco songs were sampled) and profited (none of those albums were free) and that's likely the #1 reason he took down his whole catalog eventually as it was theft and it eventually caught up with him. Be glad the Beatle Bronies never had their albums taken down of singing over liscenced Beatles instrumentals. It's not as big a deal if you're not charging a dime but you still can be taken down if they choose.

 

Hasbro is very lenient so they don't enforce takedowns on fan content which is the prime reason this fandom exists. If they were like Disney or someone else fannon would get taken down for official merchandise and content. Youtube has been making it seem like there's all kind of new rules but we are still bound by very real decade old laws.

[LordDiscord 289]

I get what you are saying but I don't find it fair that ever bit of that profit goes to the content creator when maybe 10-30 seconds of lets say a 30 minute video is actually there content and the remainder is the person that posted it, if the system was set up in a way where the content creator got a portion of the product, with the amount varying on how much of their content is actually used then that would be fine and would definitely be a improvement. When someone does a lets play of a game they are educating people that view there content on whether or not the game is good while also showing off secrets, this falls under fair use and even if they are getting paid for it they are only getting paid by ad providers for allowing them to use your channel to host their ads. Non of that profit is coming out of the content creator pocket nor or they actually profiting off the physical content, what they are profiting off of is their view and the people that has come to watch their content. Also I respect what Youtube is trying to do but there is a large difference in someone like PewDiePie who does lets plays of games vs someone who posts a entire movie or tv episode on Youtube, one requires you to actually possess the product in order to actually experience it verse the latter which once you've seen it, you got you entertainment from it. The problem lies in the fact that the automated system Youtube uses can not differentiate someone like PewDiePie (who has permission to do what he does) from someone who posted the episode '' Flight to the finish'' on Youtube and that isn't fair considering that the ones that were affected so far had there content claimed by people that are not part of the contents original creator and the creators themselves have come out and stated that they had nothing to do with the claims nor did they ever have a problem with what they did. If Youtube fixes the system to be more fair then fine but it is wrong for a Youtube partner or any content creator on Youtube to watch hours or even months of their work get flushed down the toilet for 10 seconds of a sound clip or part of a trailer that has already been released to the public. We already lost the Game Room because of this change, I would really not like to see Smosh, H20 Delirious, PewDiePie, Angry Joe, JHaller, ect. have to quit because their only other alternative to live off of will greatly hinder their videos and they would either begin to decrease in quality or they would have to stop entirely.

Edited December 15, 2013 by LordDiscord

[AnonBrony 1,468]

When they flag a video it tells you who "owns" that content and whether you want to agree to their claim or claim it as far use. So you are alerted, allowed a choice, and can choose what path you want. There is a bit of detail to this that people are leaving out. Yes Hasbro video footage used in pmv's or songs will be auto flagged but every one of those acknowledgments of those claims resulted in them leaving my pmv's up.. One of the benefits of this policy is you can still upload some copywritten material and they will leave the content up and just give a refferal link to itunes for the track you used. Thats better then a takedown of the upload AND your channel. That's a decent compromise and no one should be generating a lot of revenue off copywritten material that they dont own. Making youtube videos really shouldn't be your sole job, should it? 

That doesn't really even matter when the claims are against innocent people. Yes. Most of the claims made weren't even made directly by the companies. Companies aren't even flagging the video its Youtubes new stupid ID system doing it. And the new ID system is going against Fair Use Law. People who don't make revenue of videos like remixes and stuff probably aren't affected. People like Silva Hound and stuff. But people who do? when they acknowledge a claims, and remember most of them are innocent and have not violated Fair use, they lose money. For no reason. Companies aren't even flagging them. They are basically losing that they shouldn't be losing. Yes people shouldn't be make money of copywritten material IF IT"S ILLEGAL. But most if not all youtubers are not doing anything illegal. Besides it all promotes the company, even if its against Fair Use, companies won't flag every video depending on what the content is. Because the videos help their company. Now all those promoting videos and the innocent ones are being flagged. Innocent people are losing money they have earned.

[Wayzer 1,418]

It could I guess. I just hope not.