Princess Molly

[NAVALBRONY 0]

Got a question here guys for supporters and non supporters of # Down with Molestia or DWM. OK been talking to some of my friends who are big supporters and fans of Molly and they are extremely confused and angry with you guys from DWM decided to start a little protest against Molly. OK I get it. Some of you just don't like or approve of rape jokes or sexual assault jokes. No need to start drama. My question is why do you guys and gals from DWM decide lets take down an internet joke and show the world how much we don't approve or like the blog or such instead of kinda actually doing something? Being a Cadet who is trained in the Medical Field, A junior Firefighter that works with EMT, and going into the Navy to be an HM. I understand what you mean, that it's offensive but lets face the facts. How did that solve the problem. Seriously. I've worked and helped with Rape and Sexual Assault Victims a lot and my good friend is a rape victim. Rape and sexual assault destroys lives and I get where you were going but you guys kinda did jack........ If I wake up tomorrow rape and sexual assault is still gonna happen. You guys from DWM just removed a sexually explicit talking pony that made sex jokes. So please DWM why did you do this? Please shed some light. 

[Simon 4,557]

I wasn't involved with DWM and really have no interest in this at all nor do I really get what's going on because I never even really looked at the Molestia blog.

 

That being said, unless you're comfortable going up to your friend that was a rape victim and telling her rape jokes, and telling them to all the people you interact with at work who are rape victims, I don't think saying there's no harm to the jokes is a particularly compelling argument.  Jokes can be hurtful and offensive.

 

But again, I honestly couldn't tell you one thing from Molestia so I can't say whether I think those jokes were overly offensive or not... I'm just making this point in a general sense.

[Scootalove 10,689]

I never really did take a look at the Molestia blog, but sometimes jokes are either hurtful and offensive or they are just harmless. It all depends on the joke and the execution of the joke. I wasn't affiliated with DWM in any way, besides it is done and over with.

[FNGRpony 658]

OP,

i think we should kindly let this one pass into history.

who knows what lurks in the mind of social justice people.

It's over.

 

The potato has been pealed.

[ShadowRose2k 271]

Got a question here guys for supporters and non supporters of # Down with Molestia or DWM. OK been talking to some of my friends who are big supporters and fans of Molly and they are extremely confused and angry with you guys from DWM decided to start a little protest against Molly. OK I get it. Some of you just don't like or approve of rape jokes or sexual assault jokes. No need to start drama. My question is why do you guys and gals from DWM decide lets take down an internet joke and show the world how much we don't approve or like the blog or such instead of kinda actually doing something? Being a Cadet who is trained in the Medical Field, A junior Firefighter that works with EMT, and going into the Navy to be an HM. I understand what you mean, that it's offensive but lets face the facts. How did that solve the problem. Seriously. I've worked and helped with Rape and Sexual Assault Victims a lot and my good friend is a rape victim. Rape and sexual assault destroys lives and I get where you were going but you guys kinda did jack........ If I wake up tomorrow rape and sexual assault is still gonna happen. You guys from DWM just removed a sexually explicit talking pony that made sex jokes. So please DWM why did you do this? Please shed some light. 

 

 

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/85204-ask-princess-molestia-tumblr-dead

27 pages ( as of writing this ) of people agruing over the shut down.

 

But here is a run down.

 

1.  The AMP tumbler was removed by tumbler, with no evidence for or against DWM's spam being the cause.

2. JJ was bringing Molly to a close anyway so he is not too anoyed by it.

3. The have stated they will post an archive for all to download,  or you could search and fine a dozen or more around the net.

4. DMW just want attention.  They don't care at all about the content that ACTUALY was in Mollys blogs.

5. The abuse twards her is WRONG.  (tho I'm not saying people should not dissagre with her) They should do So in an appropriate way. 

6. Having said that I personally feel little to no pitty for some one that brings that much hatred on themself and deals our (victtum) Pitty cards like 20% off Bed Bath and Beyond Coupons.  (sent to eveyone and they never exspire)

7. My spelling is terrible and my spell checker on this forum has decided to ignore me. SO I appologize for stupid spelling errors.

[SanityNotIncluded 335]

Well, I don't agree with the argument, but it basically goes something like this: Within the population, there are individuals, groups, institutions, etc who do not take rape seriously. This leads to many rape victims getting inadequate support/investogation/etc. Molestia doesn't take rape seriously - I mean, it's in the title and more risqué stuff is in many of the earlier comics. This reinforces the views of people who already don't take rape seriously, thus indirectly perpetuating the problem.

 

As for why I don't agree, I'll go through each point. Obviously, I agree that there are people and places where a form of 'rape culture' exists. I also agree that this has a negative effect on rape victims in places where this occurs (well, duh). I can also sort of agree that (in and of itself), Molestia does trivialise the severity of real life rape. However, I have issues with the last points. Firstly, I would question the idea that stuff like this actually strengthens or reinforces these attitudes, simply because this conclusion is usually taken as given rather than demonstrated via research. I'm not at all closed to this being true, so if anyone does have any evidence they'd like to share please feel free to share it.

 

As for the last bit, even if the preceding statement were true, it would be difficult to illustrate a direct/tangible link between Molestia and impacts on rape and rape victims - that is to say that, just because attitudes strengthen or don't change does not necessarily mean that the tangible consequences will increase. A good example of this is racism, which is defined in terms of prejudice (racist attitudes) and discrimination (doing something to someone because of their race). Someone can be prejudiced, however, that does not mean that they will discriminate in equal measure because other factors will come into play to determine that (such as self-confidence, adherence to social conventions, and probably other things that I can't think of right now). Similarly, I would think that a person could think badly of rape victims without acting on it. For an example, you could have a police officer who thinks this way, but will still follow due procedure and not say anything because that is his job.

 

So, we come to a turn of events where taking Molly down might help rape victims a very small amount. However, I would suggest that opponents of Molestia focus their attention to measures such as education, and the provision of legal advice and counselling simply because these things are far more likely to assist rape victims than taking down a blog.

 

TL;DR Version: In the worst case scenario, taking down Molestia could have some value. However, that does not make doing so practical or efficient as far as solving the problem of rape culture is concerned.

[TheQContinuum 9]

In Case anyone was interested, and thinks that tumblr is kinda dumb for railing against censorship, and then pulling this crap, here's an amusing new tumblr, john Joseco put up. http://ask-princess-mole-stia.tumblr.com/ask

[Jammo 986]

Sexual harassment is not funny. I never endorse it.

A cartoon pony princess as a sexual deviant played tongue and cheek is funny. I endorse it.

 

First and foremost. The topic of sexual abuse is only offensive when it's endorsement is taken seriously. If Molestia harassed her subjects and they were in clear distress. If it was played straight and she was spreading emotional distress and we're expected to support her, then that would be offensive.

 

Gonna give two examples. There are hentai movies that show rape, public groping and human enslavement. I find these offensive because it glorifies sexual abuse without any kind of satire or commentary.

 

Now.. My other example. An anime about a lovable pervert constantly trying to woo women, getting into all kinds of dangerous shenanigans. It's still exploiting sex BUT it goes to such goofy extremes, it comes across as more an exaggeration of male fantasies but it's never violent or vengeful. It's juvenile and meant more for laughs than catering to really dangerous and really wicked behaviour.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Jammo