I like this quote "Could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?" If he could lift the rock, then it seems that the being would not have been omnipotent to begin with in that he would have been incapable of creating a heavy enough stone; if he could not lift the stone, then it seems that the being either would never have been omnipotent to begin with or would have ceased to be omnipotent upon his creation of the stone"

I like this quote "Could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?" If he could lift the rock, then it seems that the being would not have been omnipotent to begin with in that he would have been incapable of creating a heavy enough stone; if he could not lift the stone, then it seems that the being either would never have been omnipotent to begin with or would have ceased to be omnipotent upon his creation of the stone"

That is one of most interesting paradoxes.

This just seems like a giant cop out. He 'existed before time?' How exactly do you know this? This is an argument I have heard many times before and it all seems the same, it just seems like an excuse to the whole 'God doesn't need a creator' sorta deal. If god can be infinite, why can't the universe itself be? Even then, to me, this does not even prove the christian god, it could prove any god that has ever existed according to mankind, which there have been thousands upon thousands.

This just seems like a giant cop out. He 'existed before time?' How exactly do you know this? This is an argument I have heard many times before and it all seems the same, it just seems like an excuse to the whole 'God doesn't need a creator' sorta deal. If god can be infinite, why can't the universe itself be? Even then, to me, this does not even prove the christian god, it could prove any god that has ever existed according to mankind, which there have been thousands upon thousands.

How do you prove the universe is infinite, you could travel for sextillions of years at light speed in one direction without reaching the end, but that doesn't prove the universe is infinite. It only proves it is extremely large, but extremely large is not infinite. Infinity cannot be proven nor can it be measured. 

This was not meant to prove the Christian god, it was just to explain that God does not have a creator. Since he doesn't have a defined beginning on a timeline, he does not need a cause nor can he have a cause. No Beginning = No cause. 

How do you prove the universe is infinite, you could travel for sextillions of years at light speed in one direction without reaching the end, but that doesn't prove the universe is infinite. It only proves it is extremely large, but extremely large is not infinite. Infinity cannot be proven nor can it be measured. 

 

This was not meant to prove the Christian god, it was just to explain that God does not have a creator. Since he doesn't have a defined beginning on a timeline, he does not need a cause nor can he have a cause. No Beginning = No cause. 

Which is interesting, because to me, it does not even prove that god does not need a creator, because it just seems like a strange cop-out. To say 'he does not have a defined beginning' is probably because the writers of the bible could not think one up. It is just one of the many flaws that the book has. ALso, what timeline are we tlaking about here? The christian timeline? That is another thing that is also not proven as a definitive truth. 

i lokked at this more of a way god could exist if there was a before time and things wernt allways there but all these things are unknown.

If he could make a rock he cannot lift he could also make someone to lift it for hm to be technical.

But if we are going with the christian god the bible has alot of internal contradictions, it can't be real.

I think its simple humans created god. If we look at ancient history we see that there existed times that modern-like religions didn't exist. In cultures that are nomadic for instance, their focus was not on worshipping but respecting, and was far more like a tall tale than humanized gods. 

I could link the internal bible contradictions if one wants me to. Not to mention it contradicts alot of external sources.

To the 1 2 3 idea.

1. Ok.

2. Created is a biased term, not to mention you need evidence to support this.

3. cannot be concluded because no evidence for 2. 

4. There would still be no link to a god creating it even if it was 'create'd. For instance, reverse-black holes or some other such undiscovered spatial phenomena could explain it in a way that doesn't require a god. 

If he could make a rock he cannot lift he could also make someone to lift it for hm to be technical.

But if we are going with the christian god the bible has alot of internal contradictions, it can't be real.

I think its simple humans created god. If we look at ancient history we see that there existed times that modern-like religions didn't exist. In cultures that are nomadic for instance, their focus was not on worshipping but respecting, and was far more like a tall tale than humanized gods. 

I could link the internal bible contradictions if one wants me to. Not to mention it contradicts alot of external sources.

 

To the 1 2 3 idea.

1. Ok.

2. Created is a biased term, not to mention you need evidence to support this.

3. cannot be concluded because no evidence for 2. 

4. There would still be no link to a god creating it even if it was 'create'd. For instance, reverse-black holes or some other such undiscovered spatial phenomena could explain it in a way that doesn't require a god. 

If god creates something stronger then him then he's not all powerful there for not god, but just a powerful being which is why its a interesting question you must answer with out doing that. the only think known is the idea of god exist and thing exist after that its just a never ending debate of philosophy that leads to irrational knowns or the correct who the flack knows.

Which is interesting, because to me, it does not even prove that god does not need a creator, because it just seems like a strange cop-out. To say 'he does not have a defined beginning' is probably because the writers of the bible could not think one up. It is just one of the many flaws that the book has. ALso, what timeline are we tlaking about here? The christian timeline? That is another thing that is also not proven as a definitive truth. 

The timeline is just... time. From the beginning of the Universe to now. God has always been, that is why he doesn't have a beginning.

If he could make a rock he cannot lift he could also make someone to lift it for hm to be technical.

But if we are going with the christian god the bible has alot of internal contradictions, it can't be real.

I think its simple humans created god. If we look at ancient history we see that there existed times that modern-like religions didn't exist. In cultures that are nomadic for instance, their focus was not on worshipping but respecting, and was far more like a tall tale than humanized gods. 

I could link the internal bible contradictions if one wants me to. Not to mention it contradicts alot of external sources.

 

To the 1 2 3 idea.

1. Ok.

2. Created is a biased term, not to mention you need evidence to support this.

3. cannot be concluded because no evidence for 2. 

4. There would still be no link to a god creating it even if it was 'create'd. For instance, reverse-black holes or some other such undiscovered spatial phenomena could explain it in a way that doesn't require a god. 

I guess Created was the wrong word... maybe "Formed" is a better word...

Also I believe that 'reverse black holes' are called white holes.

P.S. I am not going to reply to this until I get a new mouse tomorrow, using a stylus is getting to damn annoying because I keep accidentally deleting text and having to rewrite it. Take my advice, don't try to fix your electronics yourself.

God was created by man. Simple as that.

Question 2: Why doesn't god have a beginning?

Question 2: Why doesn't god have a beginning?

Better yet is god a liar for all we know god is just a powerful being made after the universe or even after us if at all and like taking credit for things. 

There would have to be evidence for god then flutersparkle. There is no evidence which is irrefuteable currently.

There would have to be evidence for god then flutersparkle. There is no evidence which is irrefuteable currently.

I know but people go off on the possibility of something as far as we know or can tell like its really evidence or has much meaning. i'm just making another one of those possibility's.

God created God.

God created God.

then it wasnt god that made god