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A Serious Question for Christians Opposing Gay Marriage


Fizz.

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In all ways I respect your objection to gay marriage; you are simply following the doctrines of your church, and not making exceptions. That is agreeable.

 

 

HOWEVER, divorce is ALSO considered a sin in the eyes of God, is it not? And so, if divorce is too a sin, why don't Christians oppose that?

 

I know what you'll say. "But we do oppose it." Do you? Because actions speak louder than words.

 

According to this link: http://www.divorcerate.org/, "The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%". 41% of ALL marriages in America end in divorce.

 

That is almost half of all marriages. How holy, sanctified and pure that is.

 

Compare that to the 5%~ (sometimes 2-10 % depending on your sources) of Americans that are gay.

 

Why are millions of dollars being spent in campaigning, legislation and protests against gay marriage when a much more pervasive issue is going on? Why have I not seen the church organize active resistance against divorce? There are no protests, no shouting in the streets, no boycotts, no sit ins, not even any notable condemning by the Church. Few Churches will allow gay marriages, but almost all of them will marry a divorced person.

 

Is it because homosexuality is an easy target? Or that targeting divorce means you'll lose some members of your church?

 

Why are Christians not up in arms about this massive issue, and instead focusing on something that will only affect 5% of the population?

 

I have asked this before and never gotten a straight answer. Why is gay marriage targeted and divorce not?

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There is also the consumption of pork....The mixing of fabrics....Where are the protesters of these things as well?

I think you missed his point. He seems to be getting at the fact that Christians will oppose gay marriage based off the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament but (apparently) wont oppose divorce despite the fact that it's also clearly condemned in the New Testament.

 

What you're getting at is a separate issue that you clearly do not understand which has to do with ritual purity laws and the difference between the Old and New Covenants.

 

Christianity has been around for two thousand years. Do you really think that for all that time no one has ever offered an explanation as to why the Jewish ritual purity laws are not followed by Christians?

 

Come on, really?

 


 

Now, so far as the main topic is concerned, I think Fizzy's post illustrates an inconsistency in the beliefs of certain Christian denominations. At the same time I don't think we should oversimplify a matter and mash it with another.

 

As a Catholic I do not believe a valid marriage can be dissolved. So in that sense I oppose divorce (so far as I'm aware I do so consistently with my views on gay marriage; albeit the latter topic simply comes up more often). This shouldn't be oversimplified, again. There are situations (such as abusive relationships) where a married couple needs to separate and have the legal connections between their spouse severed by the government. Yet even if that's done I do not believe they are truly unmarried. So 'divorce' is only tolerated by me as a legal recourse and not as a serious attempt to end marriages.

 

I hope that distinction clears up my views.

 

But getting back to what I said above, I do think that many (pretty much all) non-Catholic groups are in error and hold to inconsistent doctrines (such as permitting divorce [in the stronger sense] yet forbidding gay marriage).

 

So I'm right with you on that one, but so far as I can see, I hold to no inconsistent views.

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Being a Christian who has gay friends (and loves them!) but doesn't support gay marriage, the answer to your question unfortunately is pretty simple. A lot of Christians are hypocrites. A lot of the Church is lukewarm, a lot of the Church does not really follow after God. If we did, then our divorce rate would reflect that. Sadly, it does not. 

 

God hates divorce and only permitted it under certain circumstances because of the hardness of our hearts. Of course, there are exceptions to divorce being unacceptable, like due to adultery or an abusive situation. (Although God can certainly mend the wounds caused by adultery IF we turn the situation over to Him.) Marriage was intended to be a lifelong expression of love that models God's perfect love for us and glorifies Him, but humanity, being very sinful, fails at that A LOT. The main reason many Christian marriages end in divorce is because either person does not have their relationship with God as a priority, and as a result they do not bear spiritual fruit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, etc.) which is really what you absolutely need in a marriage relationship.

 

I come from a family of Christians, and my parents argue a lot. It sucks, and it misrepresents God. But the underlying problem is simply my parents' refusal to turn their issues over to God instead of acting pridefully and aggressively. 

 

If Christians followed after God the way they're supposed to, divorce wouldn't be a huge issue. But they don't so it is.

 

I'm convinced, though, that every Christian who truly seeks after God is capable of having a peaceful, lifelong marriage. That's a goal for me personally, if I ever happen to get married. But as a Christian I know it's only possible through God's power, not my own, which is why I need to keep growing closer to Him on a daily basis.

 

All in all, it's a very sad point you make, but it's simply a result of the fact that many Christians are not sincere in their faith.

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Divorce was once a far more controversial issue, but most objections to it came from the family values angle and not religion. I think it's because when even very religious people grow up, they discover there are some things-even 'sanctified' things-that just don't work out like they're supposed to. You guys will find out for yourselves, eventually.

 

My mom and dad were Catholics for many years, and married for 15, but after years of arguments and separations they decided to end their marriage because of the toll their poor relationship had taken on our family.

I fault them only for not making the decision sooner.

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As a Christian I actually support gay rights including marriage.  The chief teaching of Christ was that we are all sinners and we should love our fellow man.  I personally believe that discriminating against homosexuals for something many argue is in their genetics (and thus can't be helped) is just as bad as condemning someone for their race, or in the case of this fandom, because they watch a 'little girls show'.  Whether being homosexual is a sin or not I cannot say for I am a simple human being and not my all knowing Lord.  However, I can say this, God accepts thieves, murderers, rapists, along with everyone else.  No sin is greater than another in his eyes.  Christ said that 'He without sin should cast the first stone.' and then even he did not cast the stone.  Therefore, I believe if we are to truly call ourselves Christian (meaning to attempt to be like Christ) we should accept these people, and refuse to condemn them.

 

Sadly though, I realize I am in the minority of Christians, given this viewpoint.  I do hope one day though that I won't be and Christians will be as accepting and forgiving as we are supposed to be.

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One of the things i've learned is that we are brought with ideas about relationships that may not actually be our own. We see how others act and behave in relationships and alot of people seem to come to the conclusion that is what love is. It ties itself into a person's belief system on what a relationship means to that person. I had one friend that actually thought because he had known this girl for two (or three i can't remember) that he should ask her to marry him even though they fought constantly about stupid things.

   In my opinion, regardless of what religion you believe in, I would believe God would want you to be happy and have the girl or guy of your dreams. This isn't thousands of years ago in the time of Jesus. There isn't any reason to hold on to versus that consider homosexuality a sin. Everyone's soul deserves just as much love as the next one. Who is anybody to judge how they experience love with another human being? 6:06 For Celestia did not believe in the ways of old. Love is what makes the soul grow if one would learn when they feel the bro tears come up.

   As for divorce rates, it's all of these false of ideas about love and relationships that's causing the divorce rate today. Not to mention couples have a hard time talking about whom gets what because of marriage laws.I just have to watch people in their relationships and what them talk about things and one can start guessing pretty quick where the problem areas are. That sometimes includes a good guess on how long the relationship is going to last.
   The one thing i've seen common is that people don't reflect back on their relationships they've had and simply look them over in your mind to learn from them. A lot of people I see simply refuse to learn anything and blame the other person. Not saying everyone, but quite a few just from my experience alone.
   Sometimes we blame God when we keep having relationship problems but fail to look at our old relationships to see what it taught us. How can you be ready to genuinly love another soul when you don't leave someone with more love then when they met you, or reflect back on them to rethink on what happened.

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The bible references back to over 4000 years ago. The bible gave women little in the way of rights. Where would we be if this was the basis of society today. I'd be cooking and cleaning for a man I don't really love. I'd never have gotten an education. I'd be raised to think that I would never get the same as a man. I would never have gotten a job. I might have even been married off to the highest bidder, who could do whatever he wants with me. It's a horrifying thought.

 

The bible is an outdated document of the laws and shouldn't be treated as a base for society. Why should you care what others do if they're going to be judged after death? If it's not going to hurt you, why should it be illegal? Laws are there to protect people, not to restrict their choices.

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Laws are there to protect people, not to restrict their choices.

I'm pretty sure we wouldn't call them laws if they didn't restrict choices! ;)

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Honestly, Christians also say Jesus opposed Gays, he never even mention Homosexuality.

 

He mentioned divorce, and said it was sinful.

 

99% of Americans portray Jesus as white, muscular, and long haired.

 

Long haired might be right, but he would look more like Osama Bin Laden than David Hasselhoff or Arnold Schwartznagger.

 

Sad an atheist knows more about Jesus than a Christian.

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Honestly, Christians also say Jesus opposed Gays, he never even mention Homosexuality.

 

He mentioned divorce, and said it was sinful.

 

99% of Americans portray Jesus as white, muscular, and long haired.

 

Long haired might be right, but he would look more like Osama Bin Laden than David Hasselhoff or Arnold Schwartznagger.

 

Sad an atheist knows more about Jesus than a Christian.

1. He addressed marriage and declared it was between a man and woman and indissoluble.

 

2. 99%? Where's your source? And since when do Americans automatically equate to Christians?

 

3. He'd look more like a Jew of Hebrew descent, not an Arab.

 

Sad people give lip service to positions on matters they don't understand. :V

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