Bronium

Is the economy not created by those greedy rich who set out to "make a buck"?

Do I have to say it? The greedy minority hurt the majority of the society, in order to make money. The economy suffers and society suffers. The free market works for some industries. It doesn't work for others.

I would argue you have no faith because you obviously believe in times of struggle they'll be reduced to killing each other in the streets....

I don't have faith in a version of humanity where everyone has your morals (which don't exist in your world). I have faith in this reality. Because not everyone is like you. I don't believe we'll be reduced to our basest desires in times of struggle.

I have a perfect understanding of how society works and how you think it works, I just reject it. Sometimes things happen that we have no control over - you can either run from it or learn from it. That is what I believe.

You reject what you don't understand. You think you understand, the way a child may understand Schrodinger cat. He understands what the thought experiment says at the face, but no idea of it's implications or it uses.

Sometimes things happen that we have no control over - you can either run from it or learn from it. That is what I believe.

We have control! We do! By keeping rape illegal, we are controlling the amount of rape. Just because we haven't completely weeded it out doesn't mean we don't control it. We just don't full control from it.

And you can't run away from rape and what can you learn from it?

Does compassion, does empathy exist in your world? Do you believe in altruism?

And the government is responsible for the state of the economy, correct?

Yes, and it's the greedy rich who drag the economy down, to make a buck. Had the people been represented by a real government (many governments forget their purpose). then the economy wouldn't have crashed.

This is what it comes down to - having no faith in the rest of humanity. Where did I imply anyone wants to kill anyone?

I have faith in humanity because I don't have these ridiculous notions which you possess. And eventually, what you do will eventually escalate into murder. Where anyone can take another persons stuff. Maybe you start with a baseball bat. Then the next lot come in with a gun, so they won't get hit by the aforementioned bat. What do you think's going to happen? Either you lose your life or all you possessions.

Whether it's accepted or not it's the way things work in the real world. People get raped every day, and ultimately the only security they have against it is themselves.

Clearly, you have no idea how society works. And you know what? I can see why your sociology professor has a hard time with you. You are saying it's the rape victim's fault for being raped as they can't defend themselves. I don't even know how you can function in normal society, if you blame the victim, in the slightest.

Yet people graduate from college with 4 year degrees, can't find a job, and end up becoming a burger flipper anyway.

Because of the state of the economy. The aim of education is not to make a generation of burger flippers. How hard is that to understand?

I invite anyone to try to take anything that I need for survival, that is the moment I will prove my intentions to live. It is much easier to defend yourself from a common thief than from the government using the police.

Okay, so you're willing for anyone to come in and take your stuff, which you'll defend yourself. Now, multiply this across the world, and tell me how the world would be better off. And let's say everyone wanting to kill everyone somehow made everyone scared to attack. They're will be no cooperation and any and all advancement will be seized. You're world has no rules, and will fall into chaos. You must realize, that even then, passing you DNA is useless.

No one deserves anything.

So no one deserves the security of not being raped? What world do you live in, where that is accepted? What reality is that?

No single person or any group is in a position on this Earth to claim they have a right to anything. Even if 100% of the population agreed they have a right not to die, that will not stop them from dying. If they agreed they have a right not to be raped that will not prevent someone from being raped. Agreeing they have a right not to be murdered or afraid will not prevent them from being murdered or scared.

Just because something is a right, it doesn't mean that said right is always kept. It's a right, and some people don't care for rights such as those. So they rape. They're still rights. But they're transgressed. And we are to keep those rights intact, as best as possible,without infringing (too much) into other rights. Without rights, we have justification for anything and everything and any code or set of ethics you may have is pointless.

A businessman that puts forth effort in able to claim his days fill of food, you are against this?

I'm not saying tax the rich to the point where they're the poor. I'm not saying tax them $0.99 for every dollar made. I'm saying tax the rich fairly (which is more than the poor), because the way they're doing it now, is not right. The rich bribe politicians to stay rich, hurting those below. If screwing the poor is pulling their weight, we are speaking on separate trains of thought.

And even then, they don't give it directly to the poor. They give it in taxes, which I may remind you, fund everything. From the wars overseas, to the man taking out the garbage. They benefit in the long run from the benefits gained by tax. It's an investment, which helps the community as well.

And let's assume that these don't matter. Culturally, we have evolved past the point where we are only concerned for ourselves. A civilized nation is one that takes care of it's less fortunate denizens. We are caring of our own kind, and if you think we haven't come to this point yet, it's a sad world in which you live in.

What is nerd day? And are you dressing up as anything?

That's funny. So what was the purpose of 12 years of education? What is the purpose of education if the end result requires no actual thinking?

That is the end result of people who did not do well in high school. I'm not going to school to become a burger flipper. Hell, my friends do that already. Society isn't dumb enough to do that. We go to school to train for jobs that require more than basic math and language skills.

Sure, you can try. You have been granted the freedom of thought and action to try.

Really, it's impossible for me to do it. How about the common thief? In fact, why not just let someone take your house away? I mean, clearly you would raise no objections to that, considering you do not own the land on which you live.

I am saying that if we had any right to live we would all be immortal. We have assumed we have a right to live, but we will all inevitably die.

What? What does that even mean? So what you're saying is that if we have a right to something, we would already have it? So what about those being raped? Murdered? They deserve to die?

In that case I was suggesting that only by Gods will can someone claim anything as a right. If there is no God then there are no rights, it's as simple as that.

What is this based on? So no one has any rights? Really? No right? None at all? Are you bullshitting me? And how do you get from No God to no rights? You have an opinion that's beyond redemption.

While government in itself isn't evil, what exists today is rather excessive. The fact that the government can make decisions on things that directly effect your life disturbs me.

So you're disturbed that murder and rape is illegal? That disturbs you?

(at above comment) The fish argument? Really, he tried to argue against that? People can go for a long time with out food. Trust me

And they don't have the resources required to recuperate. Ever heard of the poverty cycle?

I am a futurist. I believe the betterment of mankind involves simple solutions to what we perceive to be complicated problems.

These are not simple problems.

Wasting money? What's considered waste? What should we cut? That's determined by the people. I mean, why don't you propose the budget for the next 4 years?

He writes about controversial issues and fires the debates. Whether he likes it or not he knows that his blog will cause debate.

And that Video? Really? Really? You're really saying we should go for the whole fossil fuel thing? It's going to dry up. And let's say we found that Climate Change isn't a real thing. We still need to start innovating efficient and renewable sources of energy. I mean, right now, we are having problems with solar panels. What if we started when fossil fuels dry up? We won't have any energy.

And the free market? It's pretty good, but it isn't perfect for things like pharmaceuticals. Companies will always want to make a profit, and they won't make that profit by developing medicine for life threatening diseases, which few people have. They'll concentrate on balding hair, since that's what people will pay up for.

And you're for the top money makers? I mean, come on. They were protesting how the government was owned by the rich. How Wall Street was the fall of the economy. How they were being left behind. They weren't against prosperity. We were against greed, greed that hurts almost everyone.

And they mentioned Thomas Edison. A businessman before an innovator. What a fail.

People have made it complicated. It's hard to believe that there was once a time when a child was not expected to go through 12+ grades of schooling lasting 12+ years to finally be able get a job flipping burgers huh?

That's a misleading statement. It sounds like you're saying they went through 12 years, with the express purpose of getting a job flipping burgers.That's not the purpose of 12 years of education.

You're stupid. I'm smart, you're dumb, you don't have my experiences and my experiences have enlightened me.[/

Or perhaps when Hitler spent too much time reading Friedrich Nietzsche and Charles Darwin which culminated in 6 million+ people being killed in concentration camps for being 'racially inferior'.

Can I say, that most wars (almost all of them) are not motivated by religions? Or atheism? Because there are always more important factors at play. The Catholic Clergy were hurting the poor (just like the noblemen) and the third estate wanted to get revenge. Not motivated by religion.

WWII was caused by poor conditions in Germany (caused by the Treaty of Versailles) was the fuel the primarily drove Germany to War, and to be persuaded by Hitler. And let's say Hitler was atheist (many would argue he is not), does that still mean atheism was the cause of WWII? It was because Hitler was evil, not because of atheism. Do I blame Christianity if some crazy Christian went and killed a non-christian because God (their words not mine) told them to do so? No. I say it's because their friggin crazy.

I said it's not proof. But it's pretty damn close. If you can't accept that, then there's no point in experiments, and you might as well just only do math (and maths is a study with absolute proofs), without science.

Not really. It'd just be incredibly inefficient and pointless.

Well, we can conduct experiments and while they have a margin of error, a good experiment can provide (almost conclusive) evidence to show that faith doesn't affect anything.

And please don't say that it's not proof that the power of faith does not exist. It's not conclusive proof, but it's close enough, for everyone.

Again with those absolutes :/. You shouldn't make assumptions guy!

Nothing is absolute. Absolutely nothing. But we have to round things off. Otherwise, everytime we say anything, we have to say "Oh, I'll may or may not see you" or if you're going to close the door "I may or may not be able to close the door". We have to round things off, and the probability of "faith" affecting his chance of survival (beyond hope) is negligible.

You do choose...how do you not choose?

Yes. Because they're bigots.

Nope, atheist.

Question, what do you think of that Westboro Baptist Church? They say they are gods only real Christians and everyone else will go to hell. Why are they wrong?

They say they are Gods, because that's something that's in the Bible (may I remind you that they take everything literally).

The rest is because they're bigots.

They're wrong because they misuse the Bible for their own agendas.

We don't want to know that because it's pointless (to this argument). Science can explain your situation, given enough information. It's not hard. Hell, given enough information, I could tell you why you survived. Basic physics.

Faith had nothing to do with it. I'll let you have your faith for comfort. But please don't try to make it legitimate in any form.

Just because you don't have the answers, doesn't mean there aren't any. And it doesn't mean you can make up an answer, without any evidence. Just because you said a prayer, doesn't mean that saved you. I presume that God just doesn't want to help the other Christians who crash (even when they pray)?

Fire is a weapon. Electricity is a weapon. We shouldn't regulate what's useful. We should regulate those who misuse it.

To use a current issue.

You don't jail the girl for wearing slutty clothes. You arrest the rapist because he/she raped someone.

Edit because women can rape people.

Now, did religion do any good? Has it ever done anything good? Name one that that religion have caused that is good and can be proved. Apart from the big and nice churches.

Can you please stop saying religion is fundamentally bad? I mean, religion isn't bad. It's just people who abuse it.

Lookup Crusaders and say that religion is not the cause of the war.

Which one and mind you, religion was not the cause of those, and a basic google search would tell you the real motives. It may have been the church you fueled it and they may have wanted the land, but that's not religion. That's people.

Obviously you know not of sociology. Religion is not the main cause of wars, and I will deny it. The main cause of war and conflict is resources. One country has resources that another country needs. Mainly it is oil, but it is also things like diamonds and gold. Greed is what causes war, not religion. Go take a sociology class or something.

This is true. Really, religion is an excuse people provide for war. I mean, one could say let's take away the excuse, but we'll find another. *cough*America-Terrorism*cough*.

Well, you said that there is no meaning in the universe which I said you're mistaken as I said we think there is no innate meaning and that we can create our own meaning, which you then said is false. Which I tried to show to you that it isn't.

Infinite bread...really?

It's an analogy. It's meant to help you understand my point. It's not based in reality.

No. You said "there's meaning if you give it meaning".

Yes, the meaning is subjective. It's not objective in the slightest. It's your own personal meaning. And how did I imply it was objective?

Hes saying that for you to create meaning there must be meaning in the universe. To use your analogy it would be like saying to put bread on the table there must have been bread made on the counter Essentially it makes no sense to say life has no meaning and then claim there is

Well, see you assume that you need meaning to create meaning. You don't need meaning to create meaning. There isn't a theory called "The Law of Conservation of Meaning". At least, I haven't heard of it.

My bread analogy isn't amazing. No analogy is. So assume that the bread is infinite ( it can't be in real life, but this is an analogy).

That's makes no more sense than saying a blind man can really see if he tells himself he can.

No, what? How is that analogy even....

It's more like " There's no bread on the table, as initially there is no bread, but if you put bread on the table, it is there."