Is MLP overrated?

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

@GrumpyEnchantless

 

1st point:

Yes The Muppet Show was aimed at kids and adults, in other words, A General Audience, same with MLP: FIM it was made for kids but aimed at a general audience too, like all kids shows.

It's not the same as MLP, The Muppets came on in prime-time and equally catered to kids and adults. It wasn't like MLP, which is a kids show.

 

2nd point: Perhaps you didn't read my post properly. Batman Tas was MADE for kids, but like all kids shows it was aimed at a general audience.

It was made for all ages and didn't dumb itself down for kids. MLP is only made for kids, which is why they learn about the power of friendship.

 

3rd point: Batman the animated series was made for kids, end of story. 

It was made to be accessible and not too inappropriate for kids, but it wasn't just made for them. MLP is just made for kids, but it's also made to be something parents can sit through and not want to bash their heads in.

[WelshPony 28]

1st Point.

 

MLP was originally on 8:00am on Friday and it was moved to 10:00 am on a Saturday after the networks learned about it's adult fanbase.

 

2nd point:

 

Faust made MLP FIM for kids and parents, in other words a general audience. Same with Batman TAS, it was made for kids but aimed at a general audience.

 

3rd point.

 

The networks only wanted Batman TAS to be made for kids so they can sell toys and tie it in with Batman Returns. Bruce Timm however wanted to be seen for general audiences. So yes the show was meant to only be liked by kids. But Timm had other ideas, same for MLP FIM, it was made as a kids show, but Faust aimed it at a general audience.   

Edited July 5, 2015 by WelshPony

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

MLP is just made for kids, but it's also made to be something parents can sit through and not want to bash their heads in.

But does that mean it is bad for adults to also like/watch it?  .-.  Bob the Builder is a show that is made only for kids (I am not interested in it of course).  And if MLP didn't have a large part of its audience that consists of artists and fan-fiction writers, it probably would not have gotten a 100th episode.

 

MLP may be a kids' show, but at the same time it is watchable and likeable for adults too.

Edited July 5, 2015 by SynBassilicious Pony

[WelshPony 28]

No its not bad for adults to watch cartoons at all. I myself still watch the newer episodes of Thomas the Tank Engine, the show has become really good in its writing and characterisation, because The Head Writer has listened to adult criticism, and has also brought in elements from the books.

Edited July 5, 2015 by WelshPony

[Revy 184]

I think that it is overrated in the fact that it just is a kids cartoon show. It shouldn't really warrant having such a massive following. Yes it's a good show, funny, good characters, good lessons etc but yeah, there are alot better shows out there with more depth etc. Also guys , don't get so defensive when a guy makes a topic asking is the show overrated, your kind of proving his point by reacting aggressively. 

[WelshPony 28]

Why shouldn't a show made for kids have a following? Steven Universe was made for kids, and that has a following. the 1980s' Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was made for kids and that has a massive following too. 

 

And if the OP didn't want people to react like this, then why has the OP asked a question like this on a forum about the show?

Edited July 5, 2015 by WelshPony

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

1st Point.

 

MLP was originally on 8:00am on Friday and it was moved to 10:00 am on a Saturday after the networks learned about it's adult fanbase.

AM programming is Preschool time regardless. They moved it to a slightly more convenient time for adults, but didn't put it at typical adult times. You know what prime-time is, right? The Muppets was on prime-time, MLP isn't and never will be because it'd fail miserably and isn't made for adults.

 

2nd point:

 

Faust made MLP FIM for kids and parents, in other words a general audience. Same with Batman TAS, it was made for kids but aimed at a general audience.

Kids and parents is not a general audience. Parents are willing to sit through a lot of crap shows for their kids, making something they can enjoy with their kids is not the same as making something for everyone. Batman was for everyone to watch, kids, teens, adults, old people, whoever. MLP was not ever made that way at all.

 

You get that almost all kids shows are made to be something that parents won't hate so that they can watch it with their kids, right? That's not making it for everyone.

 

3rd point.

 

The networks only wanted Batman TAS to be made for kids so they can sell toys and tie it in with Batman Returns. Bruce Timm however wanted to be seen for general audiences. So yes the show was meant to only be liked by kids. But Timm had other ideas, same for MLP FIM, it was made as a kids show, but Faust aimed it at a general audience.   

Yeah, that's why Lauren Faust made that episode where that guy's wife dies and he seeks revenge on the greedy company that wouldn't allow her to stay on life support, right?

 

MLP is not anything like Batman at all. Batman was really made for everyone, MLP is made for kids to learn life lessons. How do you not get this?

But does that mean it is bad for adults to also like/watch it?  .-.  Bob the Builder is a show that is made only for kids (I am not interested in it of course).  And if MLP didn't have a large part of its audience that consists of artists and fan-fiction writers, it probably would not have gotten a 100th episode.

 

MLP may be a kids' show, but at the same time it is watchable and likeable for adults too.

I already said I watch a lot of kids shows, but I call them what they are. Almost all of what I watch is for Elementary to Middle School age, not Preschoolers, but still. There's nothing wrong with watching a kids show, but don't act like it isn't for kids. A show about colorful rainbows is not the same as Batman: The Animated Series and people who say it is give it way too much credit.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Grumpy Enchantress

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

If it was just another generic little kids' show, it would not have gotten such a large audience consisting of fans of many ages.  And the 100th episode was basically a bunch of pandering, a "thank you" to the fans, including the adults, who have helped this show continue for this long.

[WelshPony 28]

1st point: The show was still moved because of an adult fanbase, end of story. Its got nothing to do with Prime Time.

 

 

2nd point: Kids and Parents (adults) ARE a general audience. End of story.

 

 

3rd point: Yes, MLP is nothing like Batman Tas. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT! Batman tas was made for kids, like MLP. But the creative staff both aimed these shows at a general audience. End of story.

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

Why shouldn't a show made for kids have a following? Steven Universe was made for kids, and that has a following. the 1980s' Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was made for kids and that has a massive following too. 

 

And if the OP didn't want people to react like this, then why has the OP asked a question like this on a forum about the show?

I am the OP. I've already said that I watch kids shows, but I don't lie to myself and say that they're the exact same thing as Breaking Bad. I wouldn't want them to be the same.

 

If it was just another generic little kids' show, it would not have gotten such a large audience consisting of fans of many ages. 

I'm 99% sure it started as a hipster thing.

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

don't get so defensive when a guy makes a topic asking is the show overrated, your kind of proving his point by reacting aggressively. 

Well, this is an MLP site.  Obviously there are going to be a lot of people here who like MLP.

 

If I went to a Call of Duty forum, and told them that CoD is just a generic overrated shooter that doesn't deserve a large following, I don't think they'd be so thrilled to hear that.

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

1st point: The show was still moved because of an adult fanbase, end of story. Its got nothing to do with Prime Time.

Oh my God! If they were targeting it at all age groups, it would air during prime-time, when the whole family tends to be awake and home to sit down and watch together. It doesn't air then, because it'd fail miserably. Why is this hard to get for you? 

 

2nd point: Kids and Parents (adults) ARE a general audience. End of story.

No, they aren't. Parents are a different demographic than other adults, because they're not just watching for themselves. Every preschool show is made with parents in mind!

 

3rd point: Yes, MLP is nothing like Batman Tas. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT! Batman tas was made for kids, like MLP. But the creative staff both aimed these shows at a general audience. End of story.

They didn't aim it at a general audience.

[WelshPony 28]

@OP

 

Why do you think we're lying to ourselves? We all have our own tastes, its got nothing to do about deluding ourselves. 

 

Also Gravity Falls, Steven Universe have huge adult fanbases like MLP but they are not moved to a prime time either, but the people behind the cartoons know that they have an adult fanbase. And they aim for that too.

 

Kids and adults are a general audience, end of story.

 

Batman Tas and MLP FIM was amade for kids but aimed at a general audience, end of story again.

Edited July 5, 2015 by WelshPony

[Revy 184]

Well, this is an MLP site.  Obviously there are going to be a lot of people here who like MLP.

 

If I went to a Call of Duty forum, and told them that CoD is just a generic overrated shooter that doesn't deserve a large following, I don't think they'd be so thrilled to hear that.

 

Doesn't make much sense. Yes there are more people here who like MLP than don't but it was just a question about the show being overrated, are you saying because you like something means you have too overreact to defend it? 

 

If I went too a church and started asking the pastor questions / concerns about christianity should I be swamped by all the people attending, what kind of impression would that give me of that church / gathering, crap 

 

Reacting the way you guys do when asked question makes the fandom look crap too

Edited July 5, 2015 by DJ Revy

[WelshPony 28]

Your example is different, the church thing is just asking questions.

 

The OP is asking if the show is overrated, and the OP has said that the show is terrible, so we all know why he's asking these questions. But why is the OP asking it on a fan forum? That's basically sticking your arm in a hornets nest.  

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

Doesn't make much sense. Yes there are more people here who like MLP than don't but it was just a question about the show being overrated, are you saying because you like something means you have too overreact to defend it? 

No.  But people who like something a lot will have a habit of overreacting to defend it.

 

Reacting the way you guys do when asked question makes the fandom look [censored] too. 

Well some parts of the fandom are sh*t.  The reaction here isn't wonderful, but I am yet to see anyone actually going completely crazy and saying "How dare you think MLP is overrated, I'll make you regret saying that, blahblahblah".

 

Edit:  I can't even keep up with the posts in here.  Blagh.

 

But why is the OP asking it on a fan forum? That's basically sticking your arm in a hornets nest.  

Because they're curious how everyone will react; if members will remain calm and respectful of others' opinions, or just complain instead.

Edited July 5, 2015 by SynBassilicious Pony

[King 5,625]

I can see where this is going so Im gonna step in before it gets there. Keep things civil, otherwise this thread will be locked.

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

Why can't we have a nice discussion about the OP's honest question?  What happened to love and tolerate? 

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

@OP

 

Why do you think we're lying to ourselves? We all have our own tastes, its got nothing to do about deluding ourselves. 

Not lying to yourselves about what you like, lying to yourselves about who it's made for. A lot of bronies think the only way they can justify watching the show is if they act like it's made for them. It isn't.

 

Also Gravity Falls, Steven Universe have huge adult fanbases like MLP but they are not moved to a prime time either, but the people behind the cartoons know that they have an adult fanbase. And they aim for that too.

But they're still kids shows.

 

Kids and adults are a general audience, end of story.

No, dude. Parents like to watch things with their kids, not because they like the shows, just to spend time with them. It wasn't made as something the creators were expecting adults without kids to watch.

[WelshPony 28]

Problem is the OP has a unmovable opinion that MLP is terrible which of course defeats the purpose of discussion.

 

Seriously check out the "Why do Bronies hate SpongeBob" thread, he made a post there recently which sums up this thread in a nutshell.  

 

Edit:

 

Nobody said the show was made for us, I said it was aimed at children and adults, there's a difference.

 

Kids and adults are a general audience, end of story part three.

 

SU, GF are made for kids but aimed at adults too, just like MLP. 

Edited July 5, 2015 by WelshPony

[Codelyy 1,289]

I remember when i became a brony and i thought it was the best show ever. I wanted the plushies and so on but i don't even watch it anymore. I will from time to time but to me it's just another cartoon. I don't think it's the best thing ever but i like it.

 

I do see a lot of people think it's the best thing ever and i always wonder what so special about it.

 

I think the main reason most people loved the show when they first watched it was the excitement/thrill i guess you could call it of watching a show not made for their age or gender but as the show becomes more popular and well known with the episodes being made for everyone... the show soon becomes less exciting as the thrill of watching a show not made for your age or gender is gone.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Code

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

Problem is the OP has a unmovable opinion that MLP is terrible which of course defeats the purpose of discussion.

It's not terrible, I just think it's a generic kids show. I'm welcoming other people's opinions, even though I do feel a certain way. I don't see anything wrong with having a discussion with people of different opinion.

 

Seriously check out the "Why do Bronies hate SpongeBob" thread, he made a post there recently which sums this thread in a nutshell.   

You mean the fact that I expressed my personal opinion? You're free to disagree with me.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Grumpy Enchantress

[WelshPony 28]

"Its not terrible, I just think it's a generic kids show"

 

This and the post you made on SpongeBob is the reason why I'm puzzled you made a question like this on a fan forum. Because of course a majority are going to disagree with you.

 

Its like if I went to GalifreyBase and asked if Doctor Who was rubbish, they of course wouldn't take it lightly. 

 

Edit:

 

@ Code

 

I became a Brony, because it was one of the best cartoons that there was at the time, and it still is. A majority of us have not stuck around because its different or made for us.

 

We enjoy it because its a good cartoon.  

Edited July 5, 2015 by WelshPony

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

"Its not terrible, I just think it's a generic kids show"

 

This and the post you made on SpongeBob is the reason why I'm puzzled you made a question like this on a fan forum. Because of course a majority are going to disagree with you.

 

Its like if I went to GalifreyBase and asked if Doctor Who was rubbish, they of course wouldn't take it lightly. 

To have people discuss it. I think me and you have gone back and forth long enough now, though.

[Zel 56]

Is MLP overrated ?

 

I think it's a matter of opinion. For me it's clearly one of the best shows (yeah shows) today who manage to continue to be true to his roots but in the same time try new things to widen his universe, the characters etc... And I can watch the episodes all day long if I want because I still enjoy the episodes, even the episodes from season 4 or 5 (not all of the episodes, but a big majority of them).

 

It's really a matter of opinion since in the first page you talk about Adventure Time as a show you like, but for me Adventure Time is overrated and a total piece of garbage.

So... With this in mind I don't really see the point of this topic. We are different people with different taste. Sometimes we can all agree on something really bad or something really good, but in this situation you can see that people love the show and other don't, so the question "Is MLP overrated" has no real answer.

 

The only answer you can seek for is : "Some people like, some people don't. That is life."

 

 

Concerning the "Is this a children show or not ?"... hum...

It cleary was created as a kid show I think. Well... a rather strange kid show with some references a little to weird for kids and "Party of One" is clearly an episode which doesn't is a standard for kid show nowadays. I think the first season was created to appeal to kids, but also offer some little things to parents who watched MLP with their children.

Now I don't really know... It's still a kid show yeah, and i always will be... But the authors are much more free about these parts for the adults than in the first season because they know that part of the public is made of grown-ups. But what we love avout the show is that it's a kid show with a little more, not that's is a pure grown-up show.