Its not hateful to call Trump Orange skinned, but this is?

[Cadancerules 18]

For some reason. Kind of a relevant shitpost joke to be honest. If anything this would just encourage to spread it more around internet. The only racist here is themself

Or as Desmond said it, best comeback in my view in any game

 

[Twiggy 2,966]

Imagine if aliens were watching this unfold. A bunch of primates getting upset at one primate calling another primate a primate. This is why ayylmaos will never visit us. 

Anyway, if it wasn't this it would have been something else. Conservatives are always on the chopping block in Hollywood. 

[Cadancerules 18]

  On 2018-05-31 at 10:47 AM, Twiggy said:

Imagine if aliens were watching this unfold. A bunch of primates getting upset at one primate calling another primate a primate. This is why ayylmaos will never visit us. 

Anyway, if it wasn't this it would have been something else. Conservatives are always on the chopping block in Hollywood. 

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Its pretty much one sided big oversensitivity issue. Like if anything i consider democrats to be more racist than republican, democrats were the one to make the KKK and Jim Crow laws, only in the 60s they started to change somewhere around there with civil rights for blacks, now the idea itself is good but i wonder if they just did that so that they could exploit the voting process, not based on issues but just on who you are. Like that is by default racism if you ask me since they dont respect the fact that some people think differently based on issues, and not what party they are supposed to belong too. If they argue on issues thats ok but it just seems more like "if you are like this then no" its just a huge insult to respecting that people think differently on issues

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[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,937]

There is a huge difference between these two insults. One is towards a single person under the context of being towards a single person, while the other one is a widely known insult towards a particular race of people. I'd think that would be pretty obvious but I guess not. For the record, I actually think the whole 'orange skinned' insult to Trump is pointless and a waste of time. Frankly, there are WAY better things to insult him for, like his glaring incompetence for one.

  On 2018-05-31 at 10:47 AM, Twiggy said:

Imagine if aliens were watching this unfold. A bunch of primates getting upset at one primate calling another primate a primate. This is why ayylmaos will never visit us. 

Anyway, if it wasn't this it would have been something else. Conservatives are always on the chopping block in Hollywood. 

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Oh please. You know damn well that isn't the context that she was speaking in. That stupid bitch isn't smart enough to have been making some scientific acknowledgement. It was clearly used as a derogatory term, one that is known for being used as an insult to blacks. Kinda sad that you think conservatives are being bullied for being racist. To me, going against racists is common sense. Your argument defending all of this is fairly bad.

 

  On 2018-05-31 at 10:58 AM, Cadancerules said:

only in the 60s they started to change somewhere around there with civil rights for blacks

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That's called changing with the times. Civil rights was more than some one sided issue. If we are going to split this into the political parties, it is funny how you acknowledge that the democrats accepted blacks in the 60's, when the other side seems to be having trouble with this to this very day.

[Guest]

I mean, I'm all for calling out hypocracy, but calling Trump orange skinned isn't a comment on his race. It's just pointing out the fact that he has a bad tan.

[Cadancerules 18]

  On 2018-05-31 at 11:32 AM, Kyoshi said:

There is a huge difference between these two insults. One is towards a single person under the context of being towards a single person, while the other one is a widely known insult towards a particular race of people. I'd think that would be pretty obvious but I guess not. For the record, I actually think the whole 'orange skinned' insult to Trump is pointless and a waste of time. Frankly, there are WAY better things to insult him for, like his glaring incompetence for one.

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So you are saying its not racism or hateful if majority is in control and get joked about like orange monkey etc. So essentially people from European colonial powers should all die, the others like Blacks, hispanics are totally innocent. Way to project hate in one sided form, not racist at all. Like the only racist is people calling other racist, they are just as much racist as they claim republicans to be, its a subjective form of racism on what racism is which makes them racist.

The only consensus right form of racism is if you believe your race is above other. Thats it, end of story. The other part how democrat phonies defines it if you dont agree with all their policies is how these phonies will define it, its not a issue problem nah its just we own you so you must play with us essentially. Thats by default racism by not respecting other people to vote on issues and rather pull that lever on it.

  On 2018-05-31 at 11:36 AM, Key Sharkz said:

I mean, I'm all for calling out hypocracy, but calling Trump orange skinned isn't a comment on his race. It's just pointing out the fact that he has a bad tan.

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Problem is not the words itself, its how people exploit and manipulate it. The words are only racist if you empower it with such. [racism 1] or negro purely means black, its nothing racist about it, like there is nothing wrong with being african thats why its not racist just like albino is not racist towards europeans. Like context is the key here. I mean indians/native americans called the invaders white face, so if someone calls me white face am i gonna go on CNN and get outragous? Or just ignore it as a regular word.

The problem here is people are outraged about words that is not by default racist but becomes it because media claims to be and it empowers it to be racist. I mean if i were to walk down and say hey you stupid ugly person, ok that is rude and if i were to say our race is better than yours in some regard, that is racist. But i think its so much manipulation and lies of what people define as racism.

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[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,937]

  On 2018-05-31 at 11:53 AM, Cadancerules said:

So you are saying its not racism or hateful if majority is in control and get joked about like organge monkey etc. So essentially people from European colonial powers should all die, the others like Blacks, hispanics are totally innocent. Way to project hate in one sided form, not racist at all

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The insult towards Trump is not racism, because it is not a derogatory term targeted towards those of a specific race. I did say that the insult is entirely pointless and not worth the time to even make it, but it isn't racism. If it was racism I would go entirely against it for sure, but some bad artificial tan isn't 'You're insulting my race!', it is just a bad artificial tan. That is entirely different from "Hurr hurr you look like a monkey you black lady!" and that is a difference that SHOULD be completely obvious here.

  On 2018-05-31 at 11:53 AM, Cadancerules said:

So essentially people from European colonial powers should all die, the others like Blacks, hispanics are totally innocent.

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Now this bit, I don't know what the hell you are going on about here. There are bad people in every corner of humanity, doesn't matter what race you are. This doesn't give anyone an excuse to insult someone over their race.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

  On 2018-05-31 at 11:53 AM, Cadancerules said:

. [racism 1] or negro purely means black, its nothing racist about it,

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Aside from it's history of being used a racist slur, of course.  

  On 2018-05-31 at 11:53 AM, Cadancerules said:

So you are saying its not racism or hateful if majority is in control and get joked about like orange monkey etc. So essentially people from European colonial powers should all die, the others like Blacks, hispanics are totally innocent.

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What on earth are you on about? That wasn't even close to what he said. 

[Cadancerules 18]

  On 2018-05-31 at 12:16 PM, Yamet said:

Aside from it's history of being used a racist slur, of course.  

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So was japs for the Japanese. But as i know it, there is nothing wrong with being Japanese. You only empower it to be racism if you make it bad in modern pretext. By making it a bad word just adds that it is shameful of being black, japanese or whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleface

Paleface

(Native Americans) white people.[239]

I guess if someone calls me that i am gonna report it as racist. See, there is nothing wrong being you!

Here is a link for more racial slurs if interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,937]

  On 2018-05-31 at 12:31 PM, Cadancerules said:

So was japs for the Japanese. But as i know it, there is nothing wrong with being Japanese. You only empower it to be racism if you make it bad in modern pretext. By making it a bad word just adds that it is shameful of being black, japanese or whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleface

Paleface

(Native Americans) white people.[239]

I guess if someone calls me that i am gonna report it as racist. See, there is nothing wrong being you!

Here is a link for more racial slurs if interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

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By this logic then nobody should be allowed to take offense to anything ever. The other thing, is that when someone is CLEARLY using an insult IN A RACIST CONTEXT, then it makes sense to take it as such. Barr was clear as day using that insult in a racist manner, so she was brought down as a result.

[Cadancerules 18]

  On 2018-05-31 at 12:45 PM, Kyoshi said:

By this logic then nobody should be allowed to take offense to anything ever. The other thing, is that when someone is CLEARLY using an insult IN A RACIST CONTEXT, then it makes sense to take it as such. Barr was clear as day using that insult in a racist manner, so she was brought down as a result.

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Making a joke of someone being close ties to the president is nothing wrong with, its a shitpost on a humor level by assosiating a religious unhumanitarian movement to an ape, lots of people get called apes as an insult, also there is issues if VJ is even african or not, so its more or less a trap to see the bias take on it by the media, considering what is empowering it.

But its actually a clever joke. Racism in context would be to call the race of a person inferior or demean someone in a very obvious way. Examples would be black or white trash. I am not sure what Gringos mean but i can only assume it means white. Like the only racism that exist is to empower it to become racist. Context is the keyrole.

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[Black Sabbath 2,486]

  On 2018-05-31 at 12:31 PM, Cadancerules said:

So was japs for the Japanese. But as i know it, there is nothing wrong with being Japanese. You only empower it to be racism if you make it bad in modern pretext. By making it a bad word just adds that it is shameful of being black, japanese or whatever.

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But a slur is much more than a synonym for whatever race you are.  It represents hatred, discrimination and that kind of stuff against a specific group of group. 

I can see what you're trying to say, but these words have been used in a racist way for such a long time that it's nothing but silly to pretend they have nothing to do with racism. 

[Cadancerules 18]

  On 2018-05-31 at 12:58 PM, Yamet said:

But a slur is much more than a synonym for whatever race you are.  It represents hatred, discrimination and that kind of stuff against a specific group of group. 

I can see what you're trying to say, but these words have been used in a racist way for such a long time that it's nothing but silly to pretend they have nothing to do with racism. 

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That was by the forefathers, European or American demographics don't do this today. Like there are countries today, like Bule is used in Indonesia for whites. But the thing is there is nothing wrong with being you, same is being black etc. The only one who see this as bad are racists. So they are actually making racism by empowering it to be racist, the only way to stop it is proper context and learn from history and move on

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[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,937]

  On 2018-05-31 at 12:50 PM, Cadancerules said:

Making a joke of someone being close ties to the president is nothing wrong with, its a shitpost on a humor level by assosiating a reigious unhumanitarian  movement to an ape, lots of people get called apes as an insult. So its actually a clever joke. Racism in context would be to call the race of a person inferior or demean someone in a very obvious way. Examples would be black or white trash. I am not sure what Gringos mean but i can only assume it means white. Like the only racism that exist is to empower it to become racist. Context is the keyrole.

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So to you, a racist statement is only racist if it basically has a message accompanying it saying "This statement is racist." Got it.

  On 2018-05-31 at 1:00 PM, Cadancerules said:

The only one who see this as bad are racists. So they are actually making racism by empowering it to be racist, the only way to stop it is proper context and learn from history and move on

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"The only one who see this as bad are homophobes. So they are actually making homophobia by empowering it to be homophobic, the only way to stop it is proper context and learn from history and move on"

"The only one who see this as bad are sexists. So they are actually making sexism by empowering it to be sexist, the only way to stop it is proper context and learn from history and move on"

You see where your logic starts to fall apart?

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

  On 2018-05-31 at 1:00 PM, Cadancerules said:

That was by the forefathers, European or American demographics don't do this today.

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A, the historical meaning behind these words still remain. B, one does need to look long to find people using slurs in a racist way today. 

  On 2018-05-31 at 1:00 PM, Cadancerules said:

But the thing is there is nothing wrong with being you, same is being black etc. The only one who see this as bad are racists.

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But to repeat myself, a slur is more than a description of what you are. 

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[Cadancerules 18]

  On 2018-05-31 at 1:06 PM, Yamet said:

A, the historical meaning behind these words still remain. B, one does need to look long to find people using slurs in a racist way today. 

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So being a negro means being black, what is wrong with being from Africa?. You see the logic here, its only racist because people say it is racist, they ignore the context.

  On 2018-05-31 at 1:05 PM, Kyoshi said:

"The only one who see this as bad are homophobes. So they are actually making homophobia by empowering it to be homophobic, the only way to stop it is proper context and learn from history and move on"

"The only one who see this as bad are sexists. So they are actually making sexism by empowering it to be sexist, the only way to stop it is proper context and learn from history and move on"

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Well if i say homo, does it mean its bad to say it. So is there something wrong with liking men?. See you are kinda proving my point.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

  On 2018-05-31 at 1:10 PM, Cadancerules said:

You see the logic here, its only racist because people say it is racist, they ignore the context.

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No, you're the one ignoring the context of the word was used. Yes, negro did originally mean "black" but as it's been used in as slur for such a long time and on such a large scale that it has gotten a new and much more racist meaning over time.

[Guest]

This thread does not seem to be productive in any way and the excessively harsh name calling posted will flat-out not be tolerated. There is a discussion about the Roseanne show being canceled here and this thread's topic is being discussed there as well. To avoid any confrontations I will be locking this thread on that basis. 

Thank you