Eurovision 2013 - What the serious fudge.

[Brony182 48]

My god it has been a while since I gave a buck about this contest... Every year songs sound absolutely the same, every year my country sends the crappiest artist of all. *sigh* I'm replying cause I'm tired and lonely

[Hansel 1,512]

Ah, Eurovision. The perfect example of something fun turned into sucking up to your neighbors and political agendas. 
  

And Finland... What ever happened to you? 

 

 

I though Israel's song was pretty great. Not something I'd listen to, but a well composed song and a fantastic singer.

 

 

Even has someone who as no idea what is going on, that song from Finland was horrible, even the lyrics were a horrific mess that made me cringe. 

 

Didn't TheCruxshadows win Eurovision once(or something similar)?

 

They were? Why wasn't I aware of this? I love The Cruxshadows! 

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Ah, Eurovision. The perfect example of something fun turned into sucking up to your neighbors and political agendas. 

  

And Finland... What ever happened to you? 

 

 

I though Israel's song was pretty great. Not something I'd listen to, but a well composed song and a fantastic singer.

 

 

 

They were? Why wasn't I aware of this? I love The Cruxshadows! 

 

I think I read it on Tvtropes, I think they made it on once despite being a American group because they're so massively popular over on Europe as compared to here in the states. 

[Darth Fader 24]

Because of politics and all that rubbish the UK will not win and probably not do all that well either.  It's quite awkward actually.

[YoureDown 45]

Because of politics and all that rubbish the UK will not win and probably not do all that well either.  It's quite awkward actually.

 

 

My god it has been a while since I gave a buck about this contest... Every year songs sound absolutely the same, every year my country sends the crappiest artist of all. *sigh* I'm replying cause I'm tired and lonely

 

yeah eurovision is a political competition, but it seems like Latvia this year tried to bring back the fun and partying in it. Such nonchalant and just fun singers.

Edited May 17, 2013 by YoureDown

[RWB 229]

The Eurovision is not nearly as political as people like to claim. Yes, there will be token alliances, and a country that has pissed of others most likely isn't gonna do well.

 

 

Still, that doesn't really have that much of a deciding effect. Complain about european taste in music if you don't like that certain music went through, don't blame the entire thing on politics. It certainly plays into things, but it doesn't decide things.

 

 

This is like when I hear people here in Sweden complain that all the eastern countries vote for eachother, and thus they win.

 

...When in fact, there are only four eastern winners(as in, the eastern countries meant by these people) in the latest fifteen years, those being Ukraine, Serbia, Russia and Azerbaijan. Compare this to no less than five Nordic winners, and two baltic winners.

 

 

The UK hasn't lost because of politics these last few years. They lose because other countries don't seem to like their music.

[YoureDown 45]

The Eurovision is not nearly as political as people like to claim. Yes, there will be token alliances, and a country that has pissed of others most likely isn't gonna do well.

 

 

Still, that doesn't really have that much of a deciding effect. Complain about european taste in music if you don't like that certain music went through, don't blame the entire thing on politics. It certainly plays into things, but it doesn't decide things.

 

 

This is like when I hear people here in Sweden complain that all the eastern countries vote for eachother, and thus they win.

 

...When in fact, there are only four eastern winners(as in, the eastern countries meant by these people) in the latest fifteen years, those being Ukraine, Serbia, Russia and Azerbaijan. Compare this to no less than five Nordic winners, and two baltic winners.

 

 

The UK hasn't lost because of politics these last few years. They lose because other countries don't seem to like their music.

Though I agree you have to admit that the Israeli song was way beyond 1st place material. it was a few standards above the eurovision, yet some garbage made it to the finals. seems fishy.

[RWB 229]

The Israeli song was great(one of my top 5 of the evening), but Sweden has (other years than this) comparable songs that get booted before even the big swedish final most years. Sarah Dawn Finer's "Moving On I would argue is actually better, and it wasn't even top 5 in 2009.

 

It's not anything THAT special. It's certainly good, though- but there will always be some stinking bad voted through and great music losing. Some people simply have no taste. xD

 

As for the quality of the song and the singer- Malena Ernman was WAAAY above her, yet came among the last in the final.

 

 

That being said, I'm as annoyed with Norway making it through as Finland. People talked up her number so much on the swedish pre-ESC programs... and I think it's pretty mediocre, or worse. And she was somehow a favorite(in short, betting firms give low prices for betting on her getting into the final)?

 

 

 

I thought Romania's song was among the better, actually- I love me a good Falsetto or Countertenor, and he was essentially flawless in execution.

Edited May 17, 2013 by RWB

[TBMF1001 37]

Congratulations Denmark, even though i don't believe their song was good enough. Iceland's and Greece's were much better. I'm also shocked that Ireland flopped.

[FancyPhoenix 197]

Well. I can't say I'm surprised of the result. Denmark had an amazing song! 

Still would've hoped Finland had fared a little bit better, even though I wasn't a huge fan of our song 

Well.. Congratulations to Denmark either way! 

[RWB 229]

And Europe once again proves me right on Swedish whiners being hilarious. Go Denmark!

 

 

6 Nordic wins in 15 years proves pretty clearly that the "eastern alliances" aren't really what decides the contest.

 

 

Also, really happy Romania's Countertenor got a top half position(#13). I was afraid him being so different would be a worry.

 

Countertenors are fantastic.

Edited May 18, 2013 by RWB

[Starswirl the Trixie 975]

 

But the 2 main performances I want to focus on are Israel and Finland.

 

Israel:

http://youtu.be/BjbcD72OaI4

 

Finland:

http://youtu.be/dL9-8OlUGHM

 

 

 

I don't know too much about Eurovision (in the US it's almost never spoken of) and I recognize that many parts of it are...well...weird, but on reading your post, one thing struck me:

 

Israel participates in Eurovision?  Why?

[RWB 229]

I don't know too much about Eurovision (in the US it's almost never spoken of) and I recognize that many parts of it are...well...weird, but on reading your post, one thing struck me:

 

Israel participates in Eurovision?  Why?

 

 

 

They have broadcasting firms that are active members of the EBU(European broadcasting Union), which is the group that organizes the competition.

 

There are a few different types of members.

 

Active Member(can participate). Non-european countries include Egypt(never has), Tunisia(never has), Morocco(never has), Lebanon(Never has), Jordan(Never has), Algeria(never has) and Israel(competes every year).

 

Associate Member(cannot participate): These are all non-european countries that provide services or so for the EBU, hence they are associates rather than active. U.S.A., Japan, China, Australia, Iran and India are some of these.

 

Approved Participant Member(cannot participate): Countries that provide a few services for the EBU. Most of these used to be actual european countries, but today there are only two "APM"s, those being Palestine and the EU(xD).

 

 

Liechtenstein, a european country, has been seeking active membership for quite a while. As have a different Moroccan broadcasting company.

 

Other countries/states seeking active membership include Kosovo, Kazakhstan and Qatar.

Edited May 19, 2013 by RWB

[Tenshinohana 264]

I cant understand how you can like that song. It's bad. Maybe it is ok for "universal" song, but I don't think it works with Eurovision well, or at least should not...

 

Also, people from Finland, Brohoof? /)  ^.^

 

Brohoof! (

And brohoof back at you, mate ( ^.^

 

But I didn't say I "like" the song, I just said it's better as a ESC-song than anything Finland has had after Lordi. I don't think I need to remind you of Kuunkuiskaajat or Teräsbetoni XD I actually liked Paradise Oskar, but it just wasn't an ESC song

Paradise Oskar had a very bad placing - if it would've been one of the last ones to preform and not the first, I think it would've actually had a better chance to shine. It's just a very bad opening song.

 

Ah, Eurovision. The perfect example of something fun turned into sucking up to your neighbors and political agendas. 

  

And Finland... What ever happened to you? 

The fact is that Finland tries to do something different every year. Even if Finland would bring Lordi back, it wouldn't work - because people have already seen it. "It's soooo year 2006." And even if you'd suggest that some other metal band would try to compete, Finland already tried that - and failed.

 

Finland usually tries to create something unique, and thus, the results can be very... pervy and dodgy, like this years song. And horrifying! 

 

But I think that Denmark deserved it's win!

Edited May 19, 2013 by Tenshinohana

[Green Snake 3]

This is what I'd call music;

 

Brohoof! (

 

I meant to Jamza thought

 

The fact is that Finland tries to do something different every year. Even if Finland would bring Lordi back, it wouldn't work - because people have already seen it. "It's soooo year 2006." And even if you'd suggest that some other metal band would try to compete, Finland already tried that - and failed.

 

Finland usually tries to create something unique, and thus, the results can be very... pervy and dodgy, like this years song. And horrifying! 

 

I've seen some great music every year coming from Finland, but usually those aren't selected for Eurovision... Instead of all these shitty wannabe bands :/

Edited May 19, 2013 by Green Snake

[stainesbrony 219]

According to most people, the fact that Eurovision songs are often so bad is because Eurovision is 100% UKIP-endorsed and used as a party political broadcast just saying 'THESE GUYS ARE ALL RUBBISH! IT'S MORE REASON TO LEAVE THE EU! *UKIP clown goes into angry racist discourse*'

Sorry of you are UKIP, UKIP supporters or just disagree, but everyone needs freedom of speech.

[NightOwl 912]

I'm utterly shocked Ireland finished last I think our song wasn't too bad at all! It isn't a music contest at all anymore it's all about stupid politics and being fixed. 

 

[Green Snake 3]

I'm utterly shocked Ireland finished last I think our song wasn't too bad at all! It isn't a music contest at all anymore it's all about stupid politics and being fixed. 

 

 

After hearing that... DAFUG? That indeed is a good song. Shame it didn't work out

 

I suggest moving under the rock; There you cant be disturbed by stuff like this, saving your precious time of doing nothing.

[RWB 229]

Frankly, I thought that song didn't even deserve the final spot. Don't be so fast to blame "politics". I hate the "our song didn't do well? Politics!"

 

I'd argue this years swedish qualifications had stronger participants, and this was a very weak year by Swedish standards.

 

 

Was it politics that caused Malena Ernman to end up among the last despite argaubly making the most musically perfect number in her competition? No, it was taste.

[RWB 229]

Bump.

 

Either way, that are your opinions on this song? It was a competitor of Saade's Popular. Actual song starts at 1:30.

 

 

 

Would it deserve a final spot in this years contest?