Stop animal abuse

[Guest]

It's never going to stop. Sorry. I'd never hurt an animal, obviously. But there will always be sick people out there.

 

You can't stop it.

[Kelario 95]

A'ight. Prepare for rant.

 

My key points:

• Humans are not animals.
• Animals, therefore, do not have the same rights of humans.
• However, animals do have rights that we should respect.
• Animal rights groups do not actually know what animals think about their lives.

Point #1: Humans are not animals.

 

This is a huge discussion, and it usually ends up being a fight between religious people who believe God created them and atheists who believe man evolved from ape. These are called, respectively, the theory of intelligent design and the theory of natural selection (of humans, that is). Both names, particularly in the case of natural selection, are actually inaccurate because we have no concrete proof, only evidence; therefore they are hypotheses, not theories or laws.

 

I, a believer in God and intelligent design, say this: there is overwhelming evidence to support both sides of the argument, so both sides must be true. It is relatively often these days that things pop up in nature (the Ten Commandments on Mars, unfortunately, were a hoax), such as the cross made of girders after 9/11, and the glowing Virgin Mary statue which happened when, last week?, that evidence the fact that God exists. On the other hand, a commonly cited example of natural selection is the peppered moth, which during the Industrial Revolution, shifted the majority of its population from white moths to black moths (which some people want to do with humans, but that's a story for another time) because of pollution and soot on the trees.

 

But let's apply natural selection to humans. I bring you Professor Hubert Farnsworth:

 

 

You will notice that every species listed is extinct. I may note that scientific classification is rarely based on actual DNA, but on similar physical characteristics. While the species look similar, it is highly probable that they are unrelated, and there is no way to prove that they are in fact related. Animals may have been descended from each other, because there are various species of different types of animals, but there is only one remaining type of human, Homo sapiens, and we cannot ascertain that others existed in the past.

 

Point #2: Animals, therefore, do not have the same rights as humans.

 

You will notice I did not say "Animals, therefore, do not have rights." That's meant for plants. I said animals do not have the same rights as humans. That means humans have rights because of their unique intelligence that animals do not, and also that animals have some rights that humans do not because animals do not have the mental capacity to know any better. For example, humans have the right to own things and to get married because these are institutions created by man that animals would not understand, and animals have the right to kill each other and break human law as they please because they can't and don't know it's morally wrong. Whether animals have laws of their own, we cannot know, but we do know that if animals have any kind of society it is fundamentally different from human society and the two should not mix.

 

Point #3: Animals do have rights that we should respect.

 

Would you like being left alone somewhere to resort to cannibalism? This was an animal abuse issue in my town within the past couple years. There was an old guy who owned a house, but had to go to the nursing home and hired a lady to take care of his house while he was gone. That lady shoved about 20 cats and dogs into the house and never went back; my family went inside to investigate the loud barking and found the floor (of a really nice house, too) covered with animal crap and shredded carcasses. Following further research, we found that the lady had interfered at the nursing home, and the old guy starved to death as well.

 

So here's some rights animals don't have - to a degree -  when humanity is involved. 

• The right to life. Animals don't have this anyway; they eat each other all the time because they need their protein. Humans also need their protein, and in order to do this they have to hunt/farm kill animals. This is why vegans have health problems.
• Freedom of movement. We fence in animals for a reason, because we want to keep them. And you know what else? It's okay because as far as we know, the animals don't care. If animals really cared that they were being fenced in, we would have been overthrown Animal Farm style æons ago.

Here's a few rights animals do have - again, to a degree:

• The right to life. If we don't want to kill an animal directly, immediately, it should be left alone, and if being farmed, fed and kept alive. As for pets, it's also a bit mean to euthanize them for random reasons, like relocating (I've seen a cat shot because its owners were moving).
• Freedom of movement. Animals, for health reasons, should be allowed to walk around some. Presumably this is why hunted-animal meat tastes better than Walmart meat: the hunted animal walked around the woods a lot more than the Walmart animal, who lived in a 10-square-foot stall.
• Freedom from pointless pain. I remember a few years ago, the lady who was selling "goth kittens" with clipped ears and rings. This is objectionable for obvious reasons.
• Freedom of speech, because humans can't understand what the hell they're saying. We don't speak their language, and until we do, they can say whatever they want without fear of reprimand.

Point #4: Animal rights groups do not actually know what animals think about their lives.

 

I said before we don't speak the languages of animals. Those people who say they speak for animals because "animals can't speak for themselves" are absolutely right - animals don't talk, and therefore we cannot know what they actually think of us. There is no way that we can "speak for animals" because animals can't communicate their thoughts to us. I implore you all to watch South Park, season 8, episode 8, "Douche and Turd," which brings up exactly this issue.

 

I had intended here to link animal rights to totalitarian government, but I've been writing this for an hour. I'm tired.

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

that video made both evolutionist and creationist look stupid.....

don't get me wrong they are both stupid but that video revealed their stupidity!

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

I do not believe that humans are in any way better than non-humans, we're simply biased (I won't pretend to be any different). Humans care more about humans than other animals, just as any animal in the wild would care more about it's own species than any other. I have no problem with killing as a matter of survival, regardless of species. If an animal is in danger, it will likely try to defend itself, this is nature. Second, meat is an important dietary element for many animals, including humans, thus humans will kill for food, this is not in and of itself objectionable. What is objectionable is harm without reason. I do not believe that humans should be going around abusing animals. While we may not be able to understand other animals, it seems pretty flipping obvious that they have feelings and are more than capable of feeling pain.

 

This whole post is going to be a bit rambly. Anyway, rights do not exist; they are merely human concepts formed by human societies to meet human needs. "Animal rights" is absurd because I doubt they care about human rights, just as I doubt any human cares about what rights they have in lion society. I won't fight for animal rights, but I am strongly against abuse. It has nothing to do with species or "rights", it all boils down to one simple concept, if you have a living being in your power, don't be a f**king d-bag (human treatment of non-humans is one of the few things that really gets me going). Every time I hear about an incident of animal abuse, t makes me want to hunt that person down and do to them what they did to the animal.

 

The sad truth is that it will always happen. Somehow humans are perhaps the most twisted and least humane species on this planet. All I can say is that animal abuse will always happen. Rather than make silly gestures (PETA, this means you), I think there should be a drive to punish these instances with a significantly higher degree of severity. When it comes to the killing of animals for food or the euthanasia of the terminally ill (I advocate this right for humans), it should be as quick and painless as possible (with dolphins, the method of severing the spinal cord seems decently quick). I think the idea of having a living being in your power and not abusing/taking advantage of it is something that not only benefits animals, but can benefit our society as a whole, but who am I kidding, principles like that just aren't humane.

[Everleaf 541]

I do not believe that humans are in any way better than non-humans, we're simply biased (I won't pretend to be any different). Humans care more about humans than other animals, just as any animal in the wild would care more about it's own species than any other. I have no problem with killing as a matter of survival, regardless of species. If an animal is in danger, it will likely try to defend itself, this is nature. Second, meat is an important dietary element for many animals, including humans, thus humans will kill for food, this is not in and of itself objectionable. What is objectionable is harm without reason. I do not believe that humans should be going around abusing animals. While we may not be able to understand other animals, it seems pretty flipping obvious that they have feelings and are more than capable of feeling pain.

 

This whole post is going to be a bit rambly. Anyway, rights do not exist; they are merely human concepts formed by human societies to meet human needs. "Animal rights" is absurd because I doubt they care about human rights, just as I doubt any human cares about what rights they have in lion society. I won't fight for animal rights, but I am strongly against abuse. It has nothing to do with species or "rights", it all boils down to one simple concept, if you have a living being in your power, don't be a f**king d-bag (human treatment of non-humans is one of the few things that really gets me going). Every time I hear about an incident of animal abuse, t makes me want to hunt that person down and do to them what they did to the animal.

 

The sad truth is that it will always happen. Somehow humans are perhaps the most twisted and least humane species on this planet. All I can say is that animal abuse will always happen. Rather than make silly gestures (PETA, this means you), I think there should be a drive to punish these instances with a significantly higher degree of severity. When it comes to the killing of animals for food or the euthanasia of the terminally ill (I advocate this right for humans), it should be as quick and painless as possible (with dolphins, the method of severing the spinal cord seems decently quick). I think the idea of having a living being in your power and not abusing/taking advantage of it is something that not only benefits animals, but can benefit our society as a whole, but who am I kidding, principles like that just aren't humane.

 

 

Most of that stuff was what I was saying and yes it's fine for food but for animals that are not meant to be eaten I see pretty sick and yes if the death is painless and in that quick like nothing happened I'm fine with it but sometimes it happens too much when animals don't do for just their liking if food (as a fact people who are vegetarian actually are more healthy than people who are carnivorous or eat meat so actually people can live without meat in a healthy way proven by vegetarians so no you DO NOT need meat to actually live unlike some animals don't get me wrong I eat meat but sometimes  I don't get why it has to be such a painful death for the animals....

[RainbowDashiscool 309]

I love animals! but we really can't stop people from abusing because they will still abuse and they don't care.I hate animal abuse and child abuse and everytime i see a cat and dog they look so cute and i hate seeing people abuse poor animals and children and do you know animals are better then humans? we'll animals love really nice humans who care about them and love them and they don't hassle,bully,cyber bullying,Hate,Hurt,act like idiots.

[Everleaf 541]

I love animals! but we really can't stop people from abusing because they will still abuse and they don't care.I hate animal abuse and child abuse and everytime i see a cat and dog they look so cute and i hate seeing people abuse poor animals and children and do you know animals are better then humans? we'll animals love really nice humans who care about them and love them and they don't hassle,bully,cyber bullying,Hate,Hurt,act like idiots.

 

I know we will never stop it but we can stop some people doing so it maybe hard but we shall fight their will be people still doing it but at least if we all work for it at least it will happen less animals are like children if they were children though would they do the same? it's just as bad...