If two villains from MLP gen 1 found a way to get from Ponyland to Equestria

[LordDiscord 289]

His reality bending has limits. He was unable to cure himself after being sneezed on and was crippled by a mere disease that Cadence could prevent. Discord is powerful, but he's not as powerful as people make him out to be 

True, but unless the G1 villain are caring a large jar of germs with them, then I highly doubt they could come up with a another conceivable weakness. How do we know Discord couldn't cure himself and just chose not to so he could be taken care of by Fluttershy? Celestia even said that the Elements of Harmony was the only known power capable of defeating Discord, unless those villains had or knew of another power I am doubtful they would stand much of a chance when the would around them is being bent and distorted, I am even more doubtful the would be about to use the elements against him as well.

Edited April 4, 2014 by LordDiscord

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

True, but unless the G1 villain are caring a large jar of germs with them, then I highly doubt they could come up with a another conceivable weakness. How do we know Discord couldn't cure himself and just chose not to so he could be taken care of by Fluttershy? Celestia even said that the Elements of Harmony was the only known power capable of defeating Discord, unless those villains had or knew of another power I am doubtful they would stand much of a chance when the would around them is being bent and distorted, I am even more doubtful the would be about to use the elements against him as well.

Tirek has the Rainbow of Darkness, a pseudo Rainbow attack.

 

Grogar is immortal so as long as his bell isn't rung

 

Lavan required the G1 versions of the Elements being blasted at him and even then, he held it back for a bit.

 

As for Discord, I highly doubt that he'd suddenly act sick again, especially since he had no time to plan that out when he turned green 

[LordDiscord 289]

Tirek has the Rainbow of Darkness, a pseudo Rainbow attack.

 

Grogar is immortal so as long as his bell isn't rung

 

Lavan required the G1 versions of the Elements being blasted at him and even then, he held it back for a bit.

 

As for Discord, I highly doubt that he'd suddenly act sick again, especially since he had no time to plan that out when he turned green 

The ''Rainbow of Darkness'' sounds a lot different than the ''Elements of Harmony'' (Discord's one true weakness) so I doubt it would effect him considering he is already ''Chaos''.

 

Discord new who the Mane 6 was without ever meeting them before and even knew their weakness, who's to say Discord would not be aware of the bell and its effects on Grogar?

 

He may be one that could stand up to Discord, but without Discord's only weakness then their would be no way of actually stopping him so it would likely be a stale mate, unless the full scope of Discords chaotic magic would drive him insane.

 

I never said that he was acting sick, I said he may have chosen not to cure himself so that he could get pampered by Fluttershy.

Edited April 4, 2014 by LordDiscord

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

The ''Rainbow of Darkness'' sounds a lot different than the ''Elements of Harmony'' (Discord's one true weakness) so I doubt it would effect him considering he is already ''Chaos''.

The Rainbow of Darkness is transfiguration magic that mind controls and transforms things. Discord has shown no resistance to mental attack

 

 

Discord new who the Mane 6 was without ever meeting them before and even knew their weakness, who's to say Discord would not be aware of the bell and its effects on Grogar?

Would it be that odd if he had teleported to the library and read up on them?

 

 

He may be one that could stand up to Discord, but without Discord's only weakness then their would be no way of actually stopping him so it would likely be a stale mate, unless the full scope of Discords chaotic magic would drive him insane.

Lavan doesn't have a brain, he's a lava/crystal creature

[LordDiscord 289]

The Rainbow of Darkness is transfiguration magic that mind controls and transforms things. Discord has shown no resistance to mental attack

 

 

Would it be that odd if he had teleported to the library and read up on them?

 

 

Lavan doesn't have a brain, he's a lava/crystal creature

When has anyone or thing ever try to use a actual mental attack on Discord, considering Discord is ''random'' by nature, who's to say that mind control can not work on Discord because of this result.

 

If that was the case then could he simply not do the same for Grogar? Surely there would be some info on his bell that Discord could dig up or Discord could down right read his mind. I believe however that Discord is all knowing, as we saw in the episode ''Princess Twilight Sparkle'' during the flashback scene at the end of the episode, Discord seemed to not know anything about the Elements of Harmony or their ''effects'' yet he knew about the Tree of Harmony and was able to set up a ''fail safe''.

 

Then that would make him easier, all Discord would have to do is freeze him. 

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

When has anyone or thing ever try to use a actual mental attack on Discord, considering Discord is ''random'' by nature, who's to say that mind control can not work on Discord because of this result.

Discord isn't random at all, he makes plans all over the place and schemes all the time. He is not random at all

 

 

If that was the case then could he simply not do the same for Grogar? Surely there would be some info on his bell that Discord could dig up or Discord could down right read his mind. I believe however that Discord is all knowing, as we saw in the episode ''Princess Twilight Sparkle'' during the flashback scene at the end of the episode, Discord seemed to not know anything about the Elements of Harmony or their ''effects'' yet he knew about the Tree of Harmony and was able to set up a ''fail safe''.

Discord isn't all knowing. His reaction to the Tatzlworm is "What in the world?!" and he was unable to know where it showed up.

 

 

Then that would make him easier, all Discord would have to do is freeze him. 

His base form is lava, but in his transformed state, he's made out of diamonds

 

[Castle Bleck 19,376]

 

Discord: *Sigh* More silly bronies talking about "power levels" as if this were Dragon Ball Z...

Edited April 4, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

*Sigh* "More silly bronies talking about 'power levels' as if this were Dragon Ball Z..."

Funny you mention that, I actually made a power level list for MLP

 

And in any case, all battle debates invole this.

 

BTW, we aren't discussing power levels. Discussing power levels would be

"Discord's power is 9,000 and Celestia's is 5,000. Since Luna rivals Celestia, she must be 10% stronger or weaker at most. Therefore, Discord still makes Luna his bitch with a nigh 2x advantage" 

[LordDiscord 289]

Discord isn't random at all, he makes plans all over the place and schemes all the time. He is not random at all

 

 

Discord isn't all knowing. His reaction to the Tatzlworm is "What in the world?!" and he was unable to know where it showed up.

 

 

His base form is lava, but in his transformed state, he's made out of diamonds

No one can really guess what Discord's ''motive'' is with most of his plans, if the plans were straight forward then the ponies would see it and react according, it takes Discord telling them what his plan is before they can figure it out. I am doubtful a they could control Discord, maybe the rainbow can ''tempt'' him to return evil but it can't down right force him evil.

 

Discord is arrogant, when Discord sets out a plan he could easily over look some aspects of his plan such as, Spike burping up letters to un-discord Twilight,the Tree of Harmony having enough magic to hold back his plunder seeds, ect. Who's to say Discord did know the Tatzlwurm lives there but was uncertain as to when it would sprout out. Even though Discord was startle by the worm, had it not sneezed on him, he was more then ready to take it on as we saw him preparing to snap his fingers before the worm sneezed on him making him sick.

 

Discord can take, the wings and horns from pegasi and unicorns as well as make practically anything turn into what ever he wishes, So who to say Discord wouldn't just turn Lavan into something he could hurt or manipulate.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

No one can really guess what Discord's ''motive'' is with most of his plans, if the plans were straight forward then the ponies would see it and react according, it takes Discord telling them what his plan is before they can figure it out. I am doubtful a they could control Discord, maybe the rainbow can ''tempt'' him to return evil but it can't down right force him evil.

Oh no, I'm not arguing Discord being predictable, I'm arguing that once you strip away the disguises, he's very logical and unchaotic. And the Rainbow turned ponies into dragon slaves

 

 

Discord is arrogant, when Discord sets out a plan he could easily over look some aspects of his plan such as, Spike burping up letters to un-discord Twilight,the Tree of Harmony having enough magic to hold back his plunder seeds, ect. Who's to say Discord did know the Tatzlwurm lives there but was uncertain as to when it would sprout out. Even though Discord was startle by the worm, had it not sneezed on him, he was more then ready to take it on as we saw him preparing to snap his fingers before the worm sneezed on him making him sick.

Even so, that is a point against him with such arrogance. Grogar is much more pragmatic. Another thing this lays question on is his reaction time. It's very likely Grogar could win not by power, but by being faster on the draw

 

 

Discord can take, the wings and horns from pegasi and unicorns as well as make practically anything turn into what ever he wishes, So who to say Discord wouldn't just turn Lavan into something he could hurt or manipulate.

Lavan was shrugging off freezing spells and every attack they threw at him. He was defeated via having his own attack reflected. He's very tough 

[LordDiscord 289]

Oh no, I'm not arguing Discord being predictable, I'm arguing that once you strip away the disguises, he's very logical and unchaotic. And the Rainbow turned ponies into dragon slaves

 

 

Even so, that is a point against him with such arrogance. Grogar is much more pragmatic. Another thing this lays question on is his reaction time. It's very likely Grogar could win not by power, but by being faster on the draw

 

 

Lavan was shrugging off freezing spells and every attack they threw at him. He was defeated via having his own attack reflected. He's very tough 

Its not so much Discord's ''lies'' make him random, its his chaotic magic and how he uses it. The rainbow might be able to effect, unicorns and other ponies that don't possess a strong level of magic, but the rainbow itself would be up against magic that could be just as powerful and chaotic as the rainbow itself. Also the magic itself is random and unpredictable, and with Discords ability to plan ahead, who's to say he wouldn't just hide the ''Rainbow of Darkness'' just like he did the ''Elements of Harmony''. 

 

As stated above Discord is good at planning ahead, once Grogar makes his presence known and Twilight and her friends go to retaliate, who's to say Discord wouldn't have already taken the bell, and just keep hold of it until either the ponies figured it out and Discord leads them to it with subtle hints or if they can't then he gives them hints so they can figure it out.

 

Discord is strong to, could he not just take Lavans ''resistance'' away, making him more vulnerable?  

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Its not so much Discord's ''lies'' make him random, its his chaotic magic and how he uses it. The rainbow might be able to effect, unicorns and other ponies that don't possess a strong level of magic, but the rainbow itself would be up against magic that could be just as powerful and chaotic as the rainbow itself. Also the magic itself is random and unpredictable, and with Discords ability to plan ahead, who's to say he wouldn't just hide the ''Rainbow of Darkness'' just like he did the ''Elements of Harmony''. 

Because Tirek wears it around his neck?

 

 

As stated above Discord is good at planning ahead, once Grogar makes his presence known and Twilight and her friends go to retaliate, who's to say Discord wouldn't have already taken the bell, and just keep hold of it until either the ponies figured it out and Discord leads them to it with subtle hints or if they can't then he gives them hints so they can figure it out.

Grogar is smart, he'd take out the largest threat first before making his presence known

 

 

Discord is strong to, could he not just take Lavans ''resistance'' away, making him more vulnerable?

If he had that kind of power, why couldn't he just steal the Elements after Celestia's second spell? His reality bending is shameful in power level 

[LordDiscord 289]

Because Tirek wears it around his neck?

 

 

Grogar is smart, he'd take out the largest threat first before making his presence known

 

 

If he had that kind of power, why couldn't he just steal the Elements after Celestia's second spell? His reality bending is shameful in power level 

Still doesn't mean Discord couldn't steal it, he stole the elements from a lockbox hidden behind a door with a reenforced spell that only Celestia can break,  taking a neckless away would be child's play. I also never said that Tirek wouldn't be aware of him taking it but Discord does not have to rip it off of his neck to steal it. Tirek could be sitting in his thrown with the Rainbow of Darkness around his neck one minute, and then in a flash its gone and Tirek is oblivious as to wear it went.

 

Discord doesn't reveal himself until he is certain he would have the upper hand, it would be unlikely that Grogar would even be aware of Discords presence and would just assume the ponies found his bell.

 

His magic may not be able to effect harmonic magic, we still don't know how Celestia enchanted the elements to begin with. It is very possible that Celestia didn't ''enchant'' them as much has she caused the elements to ''protect'' themselves.

Edited April 5, 2014 by LordDiscord

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Still doesn't mean Discord couldn't steal it, he stole the elements from a lockbox hidden behind a door with a reenforced spell that only Celestia can break,  taking a neckless away would be child's play. I also never said that Tirek wouldn't be aware of him taking it but Discord does not have to rip it off of his neck to steal it. Tirek could be sitting in his thrown with the Rainbow of Darkness around his neck one minute, and then in a flash its gone and Tirek is oblivious as to wear it went.

Discord is too cocky to do that. He likes playing games semi-fairly

 

 

Discord doesn't reveal himself until he is certain he would have the upper hand, it would be unlikely that Grogar would even be aware of Discords presence and would just assume the ponies found his bell.

Grogar has several thousand years to plan his invasions, he'll be fine

 

 

His magic may not be able to effect harmonic magic, we still don't know how Celestia enchanted the elements to begin with. It is very possible that Celestia didn't ''enchant'' them as much has she caused the elements to ''protect'' themselves.

Well then, I stick by Lavan being able to defeat Discord then 

[LordDiscord 289]

Discord is too cocky to do that. He likes playing games semi-fairly

 

 

Grogar has several thousand years to plan his invasions, he'll be fine

 

 

Well then, I stick by Lavan being able to defeat Discord then 

Who's to say he wouldn't turn it into a game, I am certain Discord would love to gloat to Tirek that he took his most powerful weapon away with a mere snap of his fingers.

 

So does Discord, but even if he could wait thousands of years does not mean he would if he perceives his enemies as ''weak'', Also what if he reveals himself only to test the strength of the ponies, with the plan of retreating back and continue planning if he feels they could be a threat. And with the knowledge he could defeat them then he would plan his invasion. Then Discord could easily steal the bell and both the ponies and Grogar would be unaware of it until Grogar plans the invasion. 

 

I stick to Discord being able to defeat Lavan either by his own hands or the manipulation of someone else. Discord is very manipulative, who's to say he would not act as if he was on Lavans side only as a way to set the stage so Twilight and the others could defeat him. And if the ponies don't know Discord is still on their side, then it would make the deceit more believable.  

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Who's to say he wouldn't turn it into a game, I am certain Discord would love to gloat to Tirek that he took his most powerful weapon away with a mere snap of his fingers

Tirek still has dragon servants on his side

 

 

So does Discord, but even if he could wait thousands of years does not mean he would if he perceives his enemies as ''weak'', Also what if he reveals himself only to test the strength of the ponies, with the plan of retreating back and continue planning if he feels they could be a threat. And with the knowledge he could defeat them then he would plan his invasion. Then Discord could easily steal the bell and both the ponies and Grogar would be unaware of it until Grogar plans the invasion. 

That could work I suppose, but Discord isn't exactly subtle. He loves being flashy

 

 

  I stick to Discord being able to defeat Lavan either by his own hands or the manipulation of someone else. Discord is very manipulative, who's to say he would not act as if he was on Lavans side only as a way to set the stage so Twilight and the others could defeat him. And if the ponies don't know Discord is still on their side, then it would make the deceit more believable.  

Lavan is an abusive douche, that's why. His own servants were constantly abused by him and Lavan was actually using the Rainbow of Light as a weapon. Even if Discord would be able to withstand being the servant of someone who smacks his henchmen around constantly, Lavan is no weakling

[LordDiscord 289]

Tirek still has dragon servants on his side

 

 

That could work I suppose, but Discord isn't exactly subtle. He loves being flashy

 

 

Lavan is an abusive douche, that's why. His own servants were constantly abused by him and Lavan was actually using the Rainbow of Light as a weapon. Even if Discord would be able to withstand being the servant of someone who smacks his henchmen around constantly, Lavan is no weakling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQU5U8Hnl0 

Dragons would hardly be a threat to Discord.

 

 

I never said he would be subtle, its entirely possible he would not even tell Twilight and the others about the bell and would leave it entirely up to them to figure out, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have taken the bell and relocated it somewhere and left small clues that Twilight would find on her way toward finding a weakness to Grogar, Discord wouldn't have to say a thing.

 

True, but considering his servants seem to be on the dumb/moronic side, I could see Lavan appreciating Discords power and might put Discord on a higher level of authority as he would see Discord as a weapon he could use against the ponies while Discord on the other hand would merely be setting the stage for Twilight and her friends to defeat him. 

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Dragons would hardly be a threat to Discord.

Considering that the dragons don't respect Celestia and Luna in the slightest, they are probably more powerful than Equestrian Deities

 

 

I never said he would be subtle, its entirely possible he would not even tell Twilight and the others about the bell and would leave it entirely up to them to figure out, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have taken the bell and relocated it somewhere and left small clues that Twilight would find on her way toward finding a weakness to Grogar, Discord wouldn't have to say a thing.

That doesn't seem Discord's style

 

 

True, but considering his servants seem to be on the dumb/moronic side, I could see Lavan appreciating Discords power and might put Discord on a higher level of authority as he would see Discord as a weapon he could use against the ponies while Discord on the other hand would merely be setting the stage for Twilight and her friends to defeat him

The servants actually aren't dumb and are fairly powerful, able to fire heat rays of their own. Lavan is just that big a douche 

[LordDiscord 289]

Considering that the dragons don't respect Celestia and Luna in the slightest, they are probably more powerful than Equestrian Deities

 

 

That doesn't seem Discord's style

 

 

The servants actually aren't dumb and are fairly powerful, able to fire heat rays of their own. Lavan is just that big a douche 

Discord is also more powerful than Celesta and Luna.

 

It is completely Discords style, or have you forgotten how he knew what was happening in ''Princess Twilight Sparkle'' and yet did nothing to inform them what was going on other than to offer small pushes her and there to guide them were to go. It took Discord telling Twilight, he planted the seeds before any of them figured out what happened.

 

Discord is a troll, he would laugh off Lavans abusive tongue, or would act hurt when he really wasn't. No matter how powerful Lavan is, there is no way that he could directly and physically harm Discord, and have you also forgotten that Discord becomes more powerful when more and more disharmony builds up, how do you think he broke out of stone the first time.

 

Also lets be honest here, even if these characters were brought back, that does not mean that they would be a carbon copy of their G1 counterparts. Its more likely subtle changes would be made, such as, sense the ''Elements of Harmony'' is clearly based off of the ''Rainbow of Light'' and that 6 ponies are required to wield them, It is likely that the same treatment would happen with the ''Rainbow of Darkness'' and thus Tirek would require minions to use the rainbow. I am certain Discord would be able to manipulate a few pawns of Tirek and take the ''Rainbow of Darkness'' or as they could be called now the ''Elements of Destruction''.

I could see Grogar and Lavan getting similar treatment. 

Edited April 5, 2014 by LordDiscord

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Discord is also more powerful than Celesta and Luna.

He's not that much more powerful. Consider the fact that the Plunderseeds had to marinate for a 1,000 years to be able to take on Luna and Celestia. He's more powerful, but it's not enough to bring him up to the level of someone who doesn't even respect them

 

 

It is completely Discords style, or have you forgotten how he knew what was happening in ''Princess Twilight Sparkle'' and yet did nothing to inform them what was going on other than to offer small pushes her and there to guide them were to go. It took Discord telling Twilight, he planted the seeds before any of them figured out what happened.

The bell can't be removed though without the entire city collapsing in on them

 

 

Discord is a troll, he would laugh off Lavans abusive tongue, or would act hurt when he really wasn't. No matter how powerful Lavan is, there is no way that he could directly and physically harm Discord, and have you also forgotten that Discord becomes more powerful when more and more disharmony builds up, how do you think he broke out of stone the first time.

Lavan doesn't just insult, he hits his minions. And Lavan is actually not that disharmonious, his ultimate goal was to turn all of Ponyland into stone crystals, including the ponies. He's very ordered and he has enough power with Rainbow magic to put Discord away

 

 

It is likely that the same treatment would happen with the ''Rainbow of Darkness'' and thus Tirek would require minions to use the rainbow

Alternatively, since it's weaker than the Elements, it could be wielded by one person, sort of like Sunset Shimmer and the crown of Magic. Also, manipulating Tirek's servants is impossible, all but one of them are savage beasts that can't even talk

 

 

Grogar

Grogar can actually fit in with no changes at all

 

 

Lavan

Lavan would probably absorb the Elements of Harmony. It was a plot point in the original that he had to drain the wands slowly, one at a time, or else he'd overload. Therefore, he could drain the Elements one at a time 

[LordDiscord 289]

He's not that much more powerful. Consider the fact that the Plunderseeds had to marinate for a 1,000 years to be able to take on Luna and Celestia. He's more powerful, but it's not enough to bring him up to the level of someone who doesn't even respect them

 

 

The bell can't be removed though without the entire city collapsing in on them

 

 

Lavan doesn't just insult, he hits his minions. And Lavan is actually not that disharmonious, his ultimate goal was to turn all of Ponyland into stone crystals, including the ponies. He's very ordered and he has enough power with Rainbow magic to put Discord away

 

 

Alternatively, since it's weaker than the Elements, it could be wielded by one person, sort of like Sunset Shimmer and the crown of Magic. Also, manipulating Tirek's servants is impossible, all but one of them are savage beasts that can't even talk

 

 

Grogar can actually fit in with no changes at all

 

 

Lavan would probably absorb the Elements of Harmony. It was a plot point in the original that he had to drain the wands slowly, one at a time, or else he'd overload. Therefore, he could drain the Elements one at a time 

He's doesn't respect either princess either. And I doubt a dragon could stand up against Discord considering one couldn't even stand up to Fluttershy.

 

I am doubtful the bell would be located within Ponyville or anywhere near ''Canterlot'' so even if a town collapsed, it would be where ever Grogar lives. And if for some reason Ponyville or Canterlot would be destroyed by removing the bell then Discord would either make a duplicate or sever the connection of the town and the bell.

 

Well then that might be one way that he could worry Discord, however, much like Grogar, Discord could just use Twilight and the others to do his dirty work while giving them hints about how to figure out Lavans weakness.

 

Not necessarily, these would obvious be the opposite of the elements so obviously they would have to be just as powerful or not far off in power. Also Discord would not have to manipulate the minion or minions, he could just steal the Rainbow of Darkness from them and leave them to Tirek's mercy.

 

Then Discord could just use the tactics I stated before to defeat Grogar.

 

Then Discord could trick Lavan into absorbing all the elements at once, and overload himself. 

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

He's doesn't respect either princess either. And I doubt a dragon could stand up against Discord considering one couldn't even stand up to Fluttershy.

That's more out of cowardice than strength. And Discord does respect their strength, he hasn't done anything to them

 

 

I am doubtful the bell would be located within Ponyville or anywhere near ''Canterlot'' so even if a town collapsed, it would be where ever Grogar lives. And if for some reason Ponyville or Canterlot would be destroyed by removing the bell then Discord would either make a duplicate or sever the connection of the town and the bell.

Discord isn't that powerful. The bell is located in Tambelon, an alternate dimension. The problem is that there are slaves there as well

 

 

Well then that might be one way that he could worry Discord, however, much like Grogar, Discord could just use Twilight and the others to do his dirty work while giving them hints about how to figure out Lavans weakness.

Lavan doesn't have a weakness

 

 

Not necessarily, these would obvious be the opposite of the elements so obviously they would have to be just as powerful or not far off in power. Also Discord would not have to manipulate the minion or minions, he could just steal the Rainbow of Darkness from them and leave them to Tirek's mercy.

Tirek is smart, if Celestia can block off Discord's magic, surely Tirek can come up with a similar ward. And as for exact opposite, wouldn't that mean he can use them on his own since they aren't friendship based?

 

 

Then Discord could trick Lavan into absorbing all the elements at once, and overload himself.

Lavan isn't that stupid. When he tried it out the first time and began to overload, he immediately dropped the wands and came up with a different plan to absorb them 

[LordDiscord 289]

That's more out of cowardice than strength. And Discord does respect their strength, he hasn't done anything to them

 

 

Discord isn't that powerful. The bell is located in Tambelon, an alternate dimension. The problem is that there are slaves there as well

 

 

Lavan doesn't have a weakness

 

 

Tirek is smart, if Celestia can block off Discord's magic, surely Tirek can come up with a similar ward. And as for exact opposite, wouldn't that mean he can use them on his own since they aren't friendship based?

 

 

Lavan isn't that stupid. When he tried it out the first time and began to overload, he immediately dropped the wands and came up with a different plan to absorb them 

Discord doesn't directly harm ponies, He may be the ''Spirit of Chaos'' but that does not mean he would stoop so low as to physically harm or kill the ponies, if he did that then he could not toy with them.

 

The ''elements'' were and still is the most power form of magic in Equestria (besides the Tree of Harmony) and yet Discord was able to steal and hide them without warning as well as have his vines nearly kill the Tree of Harmony by squeezing it to death. I am certain Discord could find a way to move the bell without the damage... but then again who said Discord would care if a few slaves lives were lost if it meant Grogar could be defeated, Discords ''moral compass'' does not seem to be on the same level as Twilights and the others.

 

If this character is such a ''Marry Sue'' then he would be to powerful to include into G4 as no one, not even past villains could stand up to him then.

 

Again I still believe that was more so the ''elements'' that stopped Discord stealing them rather than Celestia. And even then I am doubtful he would have prepared such a spell, as I don't believe he would expect a creature to be able to just make them ''disappear'' into thin air, not even Celestia had for saw something like that and she had dealt with Discord before. Also not necessarily, just like the elements their could be specific Attributes that is associated with the Rainbow of Darkness. Perhaps Tirek was defeated long ago and his connection to the Rainbow of Darkness was severed somehow and the rainbow itself fell into the same state the elements had until the requirements were meet to revive it. 

 

Whos to say Discord couldn't somehow transfer all the power of the elements into the one element he would try to absorb or get Twilight and the others to focus their elements on only one of them so that Lavan unknowingly Absorbs them all at once, or if all else fails discourages him to attempt such a feet to begin with.

Edited April 5, 2014 by LordDiscord

[Everleaf 541]

Tirac and Catrina for being good villains the Smooze summing up what I would like

 

 

Also I more see G1 as Equestria before the Princesses or at least when they had been young human had been banished and stuff from my headcannon soo...

Edited April 5, 2014 by Everleaf

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

The element were and still is the most power form of magic in Equestria (besides the Tree of Harmony) and yet Discord was able to steal and hide them without warning as well as have his vines nearly kill the Tree of Harmony by squeezing it to death. I am certain Discord could find away to move the bell without the damage... but then again who said Discord would care if a few slaves lives were lost if it meant Grogar could be defeated, Discords ''moral compass'' does not seem to be on the same level as Twilights and the others.

It took him 1,000 years to do that, that's hardly a battle worthy feat. And you said yourself that Discord doesn't want to hurt or kill ponies

 

 

If this character is such a ''Marry Sue'' then he would be to powerful to include into G4 as no one, not even past villains could stand up to him then.

Being Powerful =/= Being a Mary Sue. People toss that around a lot. Superman is powerful but he's not a Mary Sue because he regularly gets his ass handed to him on a sliver platter. Being a Mary Sue means never being challenged

 

Lavan can be damaged and slowed down, it happens a lot, the problem is that actually killing him off is hard as Hell. He required getting his own beam deflected at him

 

 

 

Again I still believe that was more so the ''elements'' that stopped Discord stealing them rather than Celestia. And even then I am doubtful he would have prepared such a spell, as I don't believe he would expect a creature to be able to just make them ''disappear'' into thin air, not even Celestia had for saw something like that and she had dealt with Discord before. Also not necessarily, just like the elements their could be specific Attributes that is associated with the Rainbow of Darkness. Perhaps Tirek was defeated long ago and his connection to the Rainbow of Darkness was severed somehow and the rainbow itself fell into the same state the elements had until the requirements were meet to revive it.

The Rainbow of Darkness seems to be almost alive, it flies out of its bag and then returns to Tirek, it is fundamentally different from the Elements or Rainbow of Light

 

 

  Whos to say Discord couldn't somehow transfer all the power of the elements into the one element he would try to absorb or get Twilight and the others to focus their elements on only one of them so that Lavan unknowingly Absorbs them all at once, or if all else fails discourages him to attempt such a feet to begin with.

If Discord could affect the Elements, he would do so. Otherwise, he's a brain dead idiot.

 

Not to mention Lavan's only goal is to get power via absorbing them, convincing him against it would be impossible considering he blasted servants just for walking in on him while transforming