RD shaping all her friends' personalities & destinies, singlehooved

[ManaMinori 4,149]

Does anyone else find it strange that in “Cutie mark Chronicles”, it was Rainbow Dash's sonic rainboom that helped her friends discover their meaning in life/ their destinies, but yet through at least 2 episodes (Return of harmony/ Rainbow Falls), her friends are quick to throw Rainbow out and replace her, either with Spike or Derpy?


Do you guys think that if it weren't for Rainbow Dash, her friends wouldn't be who they are, today- with the same abilities, personalities, and goals, all which tie into their cutie marks/ destinies?


Rainbow Dash is basically the creator of the mane 6, single hoofedly giving all her friends their distinct personalities, destinies, and aspiritions that we know and love. I think people (and her friends) take that for grante

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,840]

Well..there is a reason why i think Rainbow Dash should have been the 'main' of the mane six..

 

As far as abandoning ect in Return to Harmony she was awol and in Rainbow Falls she was pretending to be injured. 

 

Her friends aren't taking her for granted.

[Sugar Pea 2,683]

For one, Rainbow Dash was replaced with Spike because she wasn't there to perform their magic. With her being discorded, it was impossible to catch her, for she was at the time very crude and unloyal.

Secondly, they replaced RD with Derpy because she was being hospitalized. 

They weren't taking her for granted at all. They were simply doing what they can to fill in for RD when she isn't there. 

Edited June 26, 2014 by Peachie Buttbutton

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

They replaced Rainbow Dash with Spike because of the uncanny resemble they have with each other.

 

On the point about her shaping the personalities of the Mane Six, I disagree on that point. She may have helped them discover their destinies and lead them down a certain path, but it was up to them to become who they are as a pony today. Of course, she definitely did unite them as destined to meet each other, but I wouldn't go as far as to say she was completely responsible for their personalities. Their aspirations maybe since they did attain cutie marks and that leads to the sort of lifestyle a pony likes, but not personalities.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,840]

 

 

She may have helped them discover their destinies and lead them down a certain path, but it was up to them to become who they are as a pony today.

 

The pony they are today is the result of their past,which was affected by Rainbow Dash. If Rainbow din't cause them to get their cutie marks when they did,there is no telling how their persona's would have ended up like. They possibly then would have never even had the opportunity to 'become who they are' if not for Rainbow Dash one could easily say.  

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

The pony they are today is the result of their past,which was affected by Rainbow Dash. If Rainbow din't cause them to get their cutie marks when they did,there is no telling how their persona's would have ended up like. They possibly then would have never even had the opportunity to 'become who they are' if not for Rainbow Dash one could easily say.  

 

That's not a good argument at all. It's true that she changed part of their destiny, but at the same time, one could argue that because Rarity got a haircut a certain day, she changed her destiny and they way people treated her.

 

I am a huge Rainbow Dash fan and while I'd love to say that she was essentially the God Creator and Lord of the Mane Six, saying that she single-hoofedly was responsible for pretty much every aspect of the Mane Six doesn't make any sense. There were so many big events in each of their lives that I think boiling it down to that one event, even if it was major, is just silly.

Edited June 26, 2014 by Rainblow Hash

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,840]

That's not a good argument at all. It's true that she changed part of their destiny, but at the same time, one could argue that because Rarity got a haircut a certain day, she changed her destiny and they way people treated her.

 

I am a huge Rainbow Dash fan and while I'd love to say that she was essentially the God Creator and Lord of the Mane Six, saying that she single-hoofedly was responsible for pretty much every aspect of the Mane Six doesn't make any sense. There were so many big events in each of their lives that I think boiling it down to that one event, even if it was major, is just silly.

 

Rainbow Dash had a big effect on them,

If Rainbow din't perform the sonic rainboom,Fluttershy would have fell to her death,Twilight would've failed her test,Applejack would've became Applejewel and Rarity would've been staring at a rock...

 

If not for what RD did in that moment,where the the mane 6 are today would be completely different,that's that. Every previous moment is responsible in one way or another to the next,that's how basic time works. If i go back into my past and change X then Y might change in the future,even if its slight. If we go back and have Rainbow not there that day to save Fluttershy or fail the sonic rainbooom,everything that had happened beyond that point would not had happened as it did exactly because a large variable was changed. 

[ghostfacekiller39 23,879]

Ah. The old "Rainbow is the reason the rest of the mane 6 got their cutie marks and made them who they are today" thingy. Haven't heard this in a while

No, she didn't shape them into who they are or were. Rarity showed an interest in fashion design since she was a blank flank, being the designer for that school play Rainbow Dash may have inadvertently helped them along, but no, she did NOT shaped all of their destinies.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,306]

Filly RD's sonic rainboom occurred at just the right moment in the lives of the Mane 6.  Though I won't say outright that she's responsible for all their resulting personalities, she gave them a much needed "nudge" in the right direction and played a vital part in their respective backstories.  You could say that, in the long term, they still would have found their way.  But, in the short term at least: Applejack may have stayed a miserable city pony a while longer, Pinkie Pie would not have suddenly discovered how to smile and laugh (and Idunno where else she'd have found inspiration on a rock farm lol), and Twilight would have failed her test (that, at least, would have significantly affected the progression of the series) and failed to hatch Spike.  Fluttershy and Rarity, I think, would've had the best chance of discovering their own destinies minus the rainboom; though being knocked down to the earth during filly RD's race was vital to Flutters' discovery.  I actually think Twi and Pinks owe the most to filly Dash, destiny-wise, story-wise, or what have you.  Twi's failure would have killed the tutelage under Celestia / would've potentially killed her even making pony friends in Ponyville / would've killed her becoming a princess.  And, again, rocks are not especially smile-inducing.  In the midst of such monotony and tedium, Idunno when or if Pinks would have learned to laugh and smile.  Unless someone tripped over a rock and that did it - Idunno.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

If Rainbow din't perform the sonic rainboom,Fluttershy would have fell to her death,Twilight would've failed her test,Applejack would've became Applejewel and Rarity would've been staring at a rock...

 

If not for what RD did in that moment,where the the mane 6 are today would be completely different,that's that. Every previous moment is responsible in one way or another to the next,that's how basic time works. If i go back into my past and change X then Y might change in the future,even if its slight. If we go back and have Rainbow not there that day to save Fluttershy or fail the sonic rainbooom,everything that had happened beyond that point would not had happened as it did exactly because a large variable was changed. 

 

So you would say that this:

 

Rainbow Dash is basically the creator of the mane 6, single hoofedly giving all her friends their distinct personalities, destinies, and aspiritions that we know and love. I think people (and her friends) take that for grante

 

Is an accurate statement? That Rainbow Dash is literally responsible for her friends personalities, destinies, and aspirations, and that nonpony else helped at all? That she single-hoofedly did that? So Applejack's parents dying or Granny Smith and Big Mac helping to raise her didn't shape her personality at all?

 

They all had major events that contributed to who they are, to say that Rainbow Dash was the one who did everything is ridiculous.

 

I think Rainbow Dash had a giant role in it since she got them their cutie marks and made them destined to become friends, but I don't think her role was as big as Nightmare Muffin made it out to be, even if Rainbow Dash is a total boss.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,306]

Ah. The old "Rainbow is the reason the rest of the mane 6 got their cutie marks and made them who they are today" thingy. Haven't heard this in a while

 

No, she didn't shape them into who they are or were. Rarity showed an interest in fashion design since she was a blank flank, being the designer for that school play Rainbow Dash may have inadvertently helped them along, but no, she did NOT shaped all of their destinies.

Although I agree on the point of Rarity, I think Twi's and Pinks' development and stories were rather dependent on RD's sonic rainboom.  RD's sonic rainboom even put the fluff in Pinkie's mane lol.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,879]

If not for what RD did in that moment,where the the mane 6 are today would be completely different,that's that.

No, they wouldn't.

 

Rarity's gem finding ability would have likely been discovered at a later date, given she was shown to possess it pre-Sonic Rainboom - she just didn't know what it was until post-Sonic Rainboom. She'd just find herself in the same position, just not with a rock, but actual gems - or at least, an easier way to find these actual gems.

 

AJ's was more about timing. She hated Manehattan, she missed the country. As soon as she she saw the Rainbow pointing towards her home, she took off back to it. She hated it there, though, and had the ability to return to the farm, so she likely would've done that anyway, just not at that point in time.

 

Pinkie's was a fascination with the colors, which she found to be so vibrant and fun - something she wasn't used to. Come on, man, she would've seen vibrant and fun colors at one point in her life and would've done the same thing. I mean, actual rainbows often happen after a nice rain, so it probably would've rained one day and she would've saw the rainbow that happened afterwards and then she would've wanted her family to experience the same joy she felt, thus a party and fun times. So she would've likely discovered her destiny as well.

 

Fluttershy said herself during her flashback that she had never been to the ground before, and she was still young, so it'd make sense that she hadn't yet left the clouds, especially since she couldn't fly very adequately. Pegasi don't hover around the clouds all day, they come to the ground to help out every now and again - so she would've gone to the lower grounds and discovered her passion for little critters that way, because her leaving the clouds to see what's down below is something that would inevitably happen at one point in her lifetime, as all pegasi do that.

 

As for Twilight, she was shown to be a very passionate student before her parents signed her up for Celestia's Magical Academy place, and you can't buy magic, you just get it - she's not Tirek or Discord, she was just a regular unicorn at that point in time, so all she was able to possess was what she could have. She probably would've gotten the egg to hatch anyway, since she's been shown to remember things she read in the past at the right moment in time (like the Breezie spell in "It Ain't Easy Being Breezies") and utilized her past knowledge to her advantage, and since she's really just a passionate student, she would've easily been able to learn all of this stuff through studying up until she hit Ponyville, where her lessons about friendship would begin.

 

Now, did Rainbow help them discover this quicker? Yes, but honestly, she didn't shape their destiny, because the ways they earned their cutie marks were all from things that were inevitably going to happen at one point in there lives. 

 

She just helped them along. She's not the main reason they are who they are today.

Although I agree on the point of Rarity, I think Twi's and Pinks' development and stories were rather dependent on RD's sonic rainboom.  RD's sonic rainboom even put the fluff in Pinkie's mane lol.

lol just wrote an essay about all of that bruh

Edited June 26, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,306]

I think Rainbow Dash had a giant role in it since she got them their cutie marks and made them destined to become friends, but I don't think her role was as big as Nightmare Muffin made it out to be, even if Rainbow Dash is a total boss.

I do agree that the OP overshot / oversold things a bit, but Twilight's failing her test (when something the magnitude of a sonic rainboom doesn't occur) potentially derails...  The entire show lol.  Twi fails (dunno how utterly floored she would've been - though she's an obsessive and self-doubting student in the timeline proper), doesn't become Celestia's student, doesn't have a hand in thwarting Nightmare Moon (that one I'm iffy about), doesn't necessarily become a princess, etc.  And Spike continues to be confined to an egg until someone else successfully hatches him - that last one actually bothers me for some reason. xD

lol just wrote an essay about all of that bruh

I think Pinks would have committed suicide LOL.  Where on a rock farm - in the throes of constant, inescapable misery - would she have experienced pretty colors and the resulting joy? xD  What if there was a limited window (points to his mostly facetious suicide comment)?  RD delivered Pinkie from the inarguable hell that is rock farming.

 

And Twilight had essentially given up on her test; she apologized for having wasted their time.  I don't see her rallying immediately after, "No!  I'm NOT sorry for having wasted your time!"  *Effortlessly hatches Spike egg that she was utterly unable to hatch moments ago.*  I also...  Don't know if they let you retake the test lol?  Or if they'd have used the same egg (someone else may have hatched it).  There are more factors that could be touched upon or introduced.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,840]

So you would say that this:

 

 

Is an accurate statement? That Rainbow Dash is literally responsible for her friends personalities, destinies, and aspirations, and that nonpony else helped at all? That she single-hoofedly did that? So Applejack's parents dying or Granny Smith and Big Mac helping to raise her didn't shape her personality at all?

 

They all had major events that contributed to who they are, to say that Rainbow Dash was the one who did everything is ridiculous.

 

I think Rainbow Dash had a giant role in it since she got them their cutie marks and made them destined to become friends, but I don't think her role was as big as Nightmare Muffin made it out to be, even if Rainbow Dash is a total boss.

Your missing what im saying.... 

 

I am saying that each moment in time is effected by the last,each event a result in one way or another of the previous.

 

This is what you said.

 

but it was up to them to become who they are as a pony today.

 

 

 

You are right,however,what im saying is that they would not be the same mane 6 we know today if that particular even't in their past had not happened as every event is important as it influences the next event. So saying what RD did helped mold the present is not a stretch,because that's how time works.

 

I could easily say that if Celestia was on vacation after Twilight turned Spike into a giant,Twilight wouldn't be the Twilight we know today because she would not have been their to witness Twilight's power and i would be correct,because that's how time works.

 

Every even't of the past influences the present and the present influences the future. 

 

Jeez 

@@ghostfacekiller39, Really? So we would have the EXACT SAME MANE 6 if the Sonic Rainboom din't happen??? Im not saying it was the main reason dammit,im saying that it was a reason in a SERIES OF REASONS that influenced who they are today..for christ sake.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,306]

Every even't of the past influences the present and the present influences the future. 

^ I agree with this in the context of...  Everything lol.  Though I'm not in complete agreement with the OP, the power of cause and effect (particularly when multiplied a billion times over by countless factors and the passage of time) is tremendous.

 

I agree with everyone in this thread to some degree lol.

Edited June 26, 2014 by PegaMister

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

Your missing what im saying.... 

 

I am saying that each moment in time is effected by the last,each event a result in one way or another of the previous.

 

This is what you said.

 

 

You are right,however,what im saying is that they would not be the same mane 6 we know today if that particular even't in their past had not happened as every event is important as it influences the next event. So saying what RD did helped mold the present is not a stretch,because that's how time works.

 

I could easily say that if Celestia was on vacation after Twilight turned Spike into a giant,Twilight wouldn't be the Twilight we know today because she would not have been their to witness Twilight's power and i would be correct,because that's how time works.

 

Every even't of the past influences the present and the present influences the future. 

 

Jeez 

 

If you think I'm disagreeing that the past affects the present and future, then you're mistaken.

 

If you're making the argument that Rainbow Dash played a role, well yeah, I said that too. But to say that she was single-hoofedly responsible is ridiculous. The events that happened to them may have pushed them a certain way, but it was up to the Mane Six on how to handle those events. Pinkie Pie could've easily looked at that Sonic Rainboom and just said "Cool" and moved on, but because of who she is as a pony, it affected her differently and she made the decision to be happy instead of down.

 

Either way, that's besides my point. My point was to say that attributing the Mane Six's entire personality, all of their aspirations, and who they are to one event makes no sense.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,879]

I do agree that the OP overshot / oversold things a bit, but Twilight's failing her test (when something the magnitude of a sonic rainboom doesn't occur) potentially derails...  The entire show lol.  Twi fails (dunno how utterly floored she would've been - though she's an obsessive and self-doubting student in the timeline proper), doesn't become Celestia's student, doesn't have a hand in thwarting Nightmare Moon (that one I'm iffy about), doesn't necessarily become a princess, etc.  And Spike continues to be confined to an egg until someone else successfully hatches him - that last one actually bothers me for some reason. xD

I think Pinks would have committed suicide LOL.  Where on a rock farm - in the throes of constant, inescapable misery - would she have experienced pretty colors and the resulting joy? xD  What if there was a limited window (points to his mostly facetious suicide comment)?  RD delivered Pinkie from the inarguable hell that is rock farming.

 

And Twilight had essentially given up on her test; she apologized for having wasted their time.  I don't see her rallying immediately after, "No!  I'm NOT sorry for having wasted your time!"  *Effortlessly hatches Spike egg that she was utterly unable to hatch moments ago.*  I also...  Don't know if they let you retake the test lol?  Or if they'd have used the same egg (someone else may have hatched it).  There are more factors that could be touched upon or introduced.

1.) I explained a very possible way for that to happen in my original wall of text, broski.

 

2.) There are more factors that could be reconsidered, but ultimately it comes down to a thin possibility. Ultimately, she still would've gotten her cutie mark, man. Twi's was the hardest to explain since there's a variety of factors that were left out of what we know through canon. 

 

@@ghostfacekiller39, Really? So we would have the EXACT SAME MANE 6 if the Sonic Rainboom din't happen??? Im not saying it was the main reason dammit,im saying that it was a reason in a SERIES OF REASONS that influenced who they are today..for christ sake.

Umm...kind of explained why we'd have the same mane 6 in my giant essay I wrote you I see no need to reiterate myself.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,840]

 

And im saying how do you know that they would be the same mane 6 personality wise ect if any part of the past did not happy was changed...that's all i was pointing out.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

And im saying how do you know that they would be the same mane 6 personality wise ect if any part of the past did not happy was changed...that's all i was pointing out.

 

I never said they would be the same Mane Six personality-wise. I simply said that saying that Rainbow Dash was the only pony responsible for molding them was silly. Many different events molded who they are. The Sonic Rainboom was a big one, but there were many others as well. I've had huge stuff happen to me in my life, but there were many big events that changed my life. I can't just attribute one event as affecting my entire personality and who I am down to the very core.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,840]

I never said they would be the same Mane Six personality-wise. I simply said that saying that Rainbow Dash was the only pony responsible for molding them was silly. Many different events molded who they are. The Sonic Rainboom was a big one, but there were many others as well. I've had huge stuff happen to me in my life, but there were many big events that changed my life. I can't just attribute one event as affecting my entire personality and who I am down to the very core.

That's part of what ive been saying. I was just also pointing out that potentially changing any event in the past can possibly effect the future and ultimately change who you are regardless of how small.  

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,306]

1.) I explained a very possible way for that to happen in my original wall of text, broski.

All righty - we're both just expressing personal opinions based upon what relevant information can be derived from the show.  And speculating, at best, about a fictional timeline in a fictional universe wherein fictional ponies frolic about happily or push about boring rocks lol.  I don't consider either of us to be right or wrong.  But I do believe you underestimate the power of cause and effect; particularly within a time sensitive context.

 

I'm headed off in a totally weird direction now, so only follow me if you've got nothing better to do lol: in an episode of the sci-fi, time-traveling series "Journeyman" (see, I told ya xD ), something happened to ever-so-slightly change past events.  A father of a young boy was called back into the office; thus changing the original time of his son's conception.  Because his son was NOT conceived at that precise moment due to a seemingly minor and everyday occurrence, his son was not conceived at all.  He had a daughter instead, and his son had never existed.  And that wasn't caused by the likes of a sonic rainboom; it was caused by a poorly-timed phone call.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

That's part of what ive been saying. I was just also pointing out that potentially changing any event in the past can possibly effect the future and ultimately change who you are regardless of how small.  

 

In that case, this is likely just a misunderstanding between us, because that's what I've been saying as well.

 

I just found it wrong to say that the Rainboom was the only thing that caused the Mane Six to be who they are. It was just one of many events that helped mold who they are, and to say Rainbow Dash was single-hoofedly responsible can't be since that was when they were kids and I'm pretty sure a lot of things that helped mold who the Mane Six are happened between then and now.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,840]

 

 

I just found it wrong to say that the Rainboom was the only thing that caused the Mane Six to be who they are.

 

 

I never said that,i did however say it was a important event of the past and to remove it from said past,could change the future,possibly changing the thought process that went into the mane 6 deciding who they are today. Could they be similar? Sure. Could they be completely different? Indeed. 

 

That's it. That's all i was implying.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,879]

-snip-

I'd rather not argue a straw-man, for starters.

 

Ultimately, it comes down to Pinkie seeing the rainbow is what led her to discover her passion. The rainbow was created by Rainbow Dash, so did she play a part in it? Yes, she did But eventually Pinkie would have to see a rainbow or something down the line, since rain does exist in Equestria and rainbows usually happen post-shower, so the rainbow she'd see post-rainstorm would likely have the same effect as Dash's one she made with the Sonic Rainboom.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

 

 

I never said that,i did however say it was a important event of the past and to remove it from said past,could change the future,possibly changing the thought process that went into the mane 6 deciding who they are today. Could they be similar? Sure. Could they be completely different? Indeed. 

 

That's it. That's all i was implying.

 

 

I'm not sure why you quoted my original post then and then proceeded to argue with me about this. You appeared to think that when I said "it was up to them to become who they are as a pony today" I was trying to say that they would've ended up exactly the same. My point was that they played a role in it themselves since they can make decisions and it's not just events being tossed at them that mold them like clay. A pony has some control on their own over how they react to outside stimuli.