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So first off I have two things to say, in this question we are throwing general physics out the window, and I do not know the answer so this is actually a question I want to know.

 

Question: If we were to take out the empty space in the sun how big would the resulting ball be?

 

This is regarding to the facts that it would not become a black hole so if all the electrons, protons, and neutrons were just smashed together how much area would they take up?

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The answer is simple!

If you calculate the suns mass, divide it by pi, and subtract bikini bottoms population times the number of pineapples under the sea, you get exactly the same number of cow udders on this planet as much as the area!

*pats self on back*

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Empty space? I'm not quite sure if there's any empty space in the sun, unless you're saying how much room can you make available if you compress the sun?

 

You cannot move empty space.....

I'm doing it right now by walking or just moving!

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Empty space? I'm not quite sure if there's any empty space in the sun, unless you're saying how much room can you make available if you compress the sun?

 

I'm doing it right now by walking or just moving!

No you are distorting it.... There is a differance.

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No you are distorting it.... There is a differance.

If there is a block in point A and empty space in point B, and I move the block to point B, there is now empty space in point A since the block occupies point B, so I moved it :derp:!

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If there is a block in point A and empty space in point B, and I move the block to point B, there is now empty space in point A since the block occupies point B, so I moved it :derp:!

Actually, air is displace to fill where the block was. Space isn't like a fluid, and is not tangible..... A good way of thinking about it is that:

1: objects do not move through space, objects move around space, causing space to bend or distort.

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I am sure that I said that we are throwing general physics out the window.

 

 

 

Empty space? I'm not quite sure if there's any empty space in the sun

 

I mean the space in the atom that is not taken up by the nucleus or the electrons.

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Alright, Imma do a little approximation here.
First, let's list our givens...
The sun contains 1.2*1057 atoms
The sun is ~ 92% hydrogen, so we'll just calculate it off of that.
A hydrogen atom contains a single proton and a single electron, a proton has volume 2.85*10-45 m3, the electron is so small that we'll ignore it. We won't go any smaller than the protonic scale, because there isn't much agreement on how much empty space there is in a proton.

So, multiply the volume of a proton by the number of atoms in the sun, giving a volume of 3.4*1012 m3. Solve the volume equation for R and multiply by two to get a diameter of 18650 m. We neglected some volume, so we'll go ahead and bump that up to 19000 m.
 

 

it would not become a black hole


At this point, yes it would. 

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@, It has to do with the empty space between particles, i believe. The idea is that if you take away all the empty space between each and every particle you could potentially get planet earth in the size of a grapefruit or something like that.

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So first off I have two things to say, in this question we are throwing general physics out the window, and I do not know the answer so this is actually a question I want to know.

 

Question: If we were to take out the empty space in the sun how big would the resulting ball be?

 

This is regarding to the facts that it would not become a black hole so if all the electrons, protons, and neutrons were just smashed together how much area would they take up?

 

if you want to disregard general physics, what do you want your answer to be based off?

 

and to answer that question, you would have to know how much empty space there is inside the sun.

 

i am not quite sure how you would want to calculate that.

 

i also don´t quite understand the third line, empty space(pure vacuum?) would not consist of atoms... i think. get some physics people over here :D

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I'm going to attempt this in the smartest dumb way I can.

Hmmm...

 

With all the space taken out, the earth becomes the size of a sugar cube.

http://www.peterrussell.com/Reality/RHTML/R21.php

About 1,300,000 earths can fit inside the sun
Hence, 1,300,000 sugar cubes of compacted space

From a "reliable source":
http://www.algebra.com/algebra/homework/word/misc/Miscellaneous_Word_Problems.faq.question.204963.html
a sugar cube has an edge of about 1cm...(Just work with it.)

hence, a 1,140cm x 1,140cm flat square, with a perimeter of about 4,560cm

or

a 37ft x 37ft flat square, with a perimeter of about 148ft

 

Shout if I did anything wrong.

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I'm going to attempt this in the smartest dumb way I can.

Hmmm...

 

With all the space taken out, the earth becomes the size of a sugar cube.

http://www.peterrussell.com/Reality/RHTML/R21.php

About 1,300,000 earths can fit inside the sun

Hence, 1,300,000 sugar cubes of compacted space

From a "reliable source":

http://www.algebra.com/algebra/homework/word/misc/Miscellaneous_Word_Problems.faq.question.204963.html

a sugar cube has an edge of about 1cm...(Just work with it.)

hence, a 1,140cm x 1,140cm flat square, with a perimeter of about 4,560cm

or

a 37ft x 37ft flat square, with a perimeter of about 148ft

 

Shout if I did anything wrong.

I'm no expert, but about the only thing that bothers me is that a sugar cube, is, well, a cube, as in the geometric shape. Cubes can be stacked neatly on one another, thus capturing more volume than, lets say, spheres.

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if you want to disregard general physics, what do you want your answer to be based off

 

Well here is how I saw this question:

  1. find the volume of the sun
  2. find the percentage of each element
  3. find the volume each of those elements take up
  4. fins out how much of the volume is protons neutrons and electrons
  5. combine and conquer 

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