minimum amount of characters.

[Whiteshade 1,426]

...Was there really any point to quoting me on that? Were you trying to make an argument or just adding something I don't see?

 

I was just absolving myself of all legal liabilities. Please contact my attorney for further inquiries. I assure you there is meaningful content in all my posts.

[HomuraBL 851]

I was just absolving myself of all legal liabilities. Please contact my attorney for further inquiries. I assure you there is meaningful content in all my posts.

 

I have actually seen some of your post you made...

 

Anyway, I actually have an idea to help people out. How about you quote multiple people and approve of more then one thing?

 

You could also have a more of a discussion with multiple members at a time, use videos, and images to make your post better.

 

No one should resort to: I'm posting this extra part because thats all I want to say.

[Whiteshade 1,426]

I have actually seen some of your post you made...

 

Anyway, I actually have an idea to help people out. How about you quote multiple people and approve of more then one thing?

 

You could also have a more of a discussion with multiple members at a time, use videos, and images to make your post better.

 

No one should resort to: I'm posting this extra part because thats all I want to say.

 

Quotes don't apply to the character requirement. Videos and images usually don't go to 100 characters. Also I don't see how approval of A, B, C, D differs from simply saying "I love everything about it". I also fail to see how a poster who posts the former has more merit and presumed intelligence than the latter poster, as this is what the limit is implying.

[HomuraBL 851]

Quotes don't apply to the character requirement. Videos and images usually don't go to 100 characters. Also I don't see how approval of A, B, C, D differs from simply saying "I love everything about it". I also fail to see how a poster who posts the former has more merit and presumed intelligence than the latter poster, as this is what the limit is implying.

 

For the first part, I never said to not write anything, I said it would help.

 

Look, this is a chance to be able to think a bit bigger. To get more creative with your post and also have more discussions with more people.

 

You want to know something? I never post like this. Thanks to the character limit, I now feel the need to expand upon what I say, even when I reach the minimum, don't you see this is a big opportunity?

[PonyEcho 1,610]

Since the link to the picture already fills up around 50 all you have to do is add some random stuff like this and you're good to go.

 

Is it really that hard for you to write a hundred letter sentence?

 

If not then you are not worthy for such forum.

 

stop acting so high and f :(king mighty. leo dash made a valid point about how it applied to the welcoming plaza were post dont even count and almost every post ever there is less then 100 charactor

 

before you jump on my ass about it, i'd like to point out i agree with this idea, my issue was with its half assed execution such as not having the charactor counter at the start and not even giving it a though until one very intelligent pony mentioned it, how they didnt fix it around post so people were just quating peple to keep there posts short (which has now been fixed), and the fact that people can spam 100 charactors and then edit.

[Whiteshade 1,426]

One man's opportunity is another man's misfortune. Also everyone is assuming that longer posts are of higher quality, I demand evidence, preferably from a linguist or academic research. And no, all the chart from the original thread indicates is that short posts are on the rise, it does not factor in qualitative figures like post quality. Also it is not stated whether Cloudsdale posts are included or excluded from the data.

[HomuraBL 851]

One man's opportunity is another man's misfortune. Also everyone is assuming that longer posts are of higher quality, I demand evidence, preferably from a linguist or academic research. And no, all the chart from the original thread indicates is that short posts are on the rise, it does not factor in qualitative figures like post quality. Also it is not stated whether Cloudsdale posts are included or excluded from the data.

 

First off cloudsdale has no character limit.

 

Second, it seems everyone forgets, if someone does post a long post that is very low quality, then they can just delete it.

 

Long horrible quality post also believe it or not appear less. Why? Well...I don't know.

 

And, look at what your writing. Just look at it. Put that effort into writing a longer post then just saying, (Insert words here) I have to put this here.

 

Also, one last thing. A normal 100 character post is in fact better, but only if you look at the word normal. Of course if you try to cheat the system, its going to be bad.

[Ashbad 969]

 

 

You do realize that there is a difference between spamming things like, "I like this," and the things you said right?

 

While most people would post the first thing you said, mostly because its easy and they can get out after that, but no one in their right mind would post the second thing.

 

For one thing, it makes them looks stupid.

 

and 2nd, we know that the mods would warn/ban someone for that.

 

I would now like to quote a post I just saw.

 

"There tons of bronies in sweden! Quite a few are even on this site ^__^ huavd100charactersbhbcbdshv dachdschjd hv d ka "

 

Not going to name the offender, that'd be cruel. Point is...

 

I think I was on-base with my idea of "more spam".

Edited July 23, 2012 by Ashbad

[Whiteshade 1,426]

First off cloudsdale has no character limit.

 

That's not what I meant. I meant that if Cloudsdale was indeed included in the data that would paint a very different picture versus Cloudsdale not being in the data.

Second, it seems everyone forgets, if someone does post a long post that is very low quality, then they can just delete it.

 

That's special pleading. "It's no problem because it can be fixed". No it is a problem because of the very fact that it occurs.

Long horrible quality post also believe it or not appear less. Why? Well...I don't know.

 

If you don't know then the correct way to frame it would be "I believe long horrible quality posts appear less". Don't present opinion as fact unless you have facts to support it.

And, look at what your writing. Just look at it. Put that effort into writing a longer post then just saying, (Insert words here) I have to put this here.

 

So what? Just because I'm capable of running doesn't mean I like to run. Same thing here, obviously I can throw together a long post, but I can still freely object to this limit. Also it does not imply that I'm lazy, that's defamation.

Also, one last thing. A normal 100 character post is in fact better, but only if you look at the word normal. Of course if you try to cheat the system, its going to be bad.

 

I request that you define the terms "normal" and "better" in a succinct, concrete fashion. Of course though, you can't, as those terms are relative to each person. Also people cheat the system because a system exists.

[HomuraBL 851]

I would now like to quote a post I just saw.

 

"There tons of bronies in sweden! Quite a few are even on this site ^__^ huavd100charactersbhbcbdshv dachdschjd hv d ka "

 

Not going to name the offender, that'd be cruel. Point is...

 

I think I was on-base with my idea of "more spam".

 

No...you are not. Unless you could show me how many, "I like this," there were before compared to...what you just said then you can be "on base" but for now, there seems to be less problems then there were before.

[Nas 2,873]

While I'm a fan of witty one-liner posts myself, and it will be hard making posts like that anymore, I'm actually glad that this rule and up.

 

If this is aimed towards only reaction posts, such as posts only with an emoticon, then yeah, that's perfect by me. All I hope is that no one starts using fillers like:

 

“This is amazing! Awesome! Cool! By the way, just filling in characters to meet up with the 100 character limit.”

 

Yeah, besides that, this rule is good.

[HomuraBL 851]

While I'm a fan of witty one-liner posts myself, and it will be hard making posts like that anymore, I'm actually glad that this rule and up.

 

If this is aimed towards only reaction posts, such as posts only with an emoticon, then yeah, that's perfect by me. All I hope is that no one starts using fillers like:

 

“This is amazing! Awesome! Cool! By the way, just filling in characters to meet up with the 100 character limit.”

 

Yeah, besides that, this rule is good.

 

I really hate to break it to you but, people have already begun to that. Just take a look around. You will eventually find it.

 

(Just putting this here to go even farther then the character limit even though I already went past 100 without it).

Edited July 23, 2012 by Bandana RaccoonBLee

[Whiteshade 1,426]

I really hate to break it to you but, people have already begun to that. Just take a look around. You will eventually find it.

 

(Just putting this here to go even farther then the character limit even though I already went past 100 without it).

 

More or less. I admit, it would be ironic if this change only added to moderator workload through users blatantly attempting circumvention.

[Nas 2,873]

Y'know, as much as I like this new rule (to an extent, though...), I think 100 is just a little too long for a minimum.

[HomuraBL 851]

Y'know, as much as I like this new rule (to an extent, though...), I think 100 is just a little too long for a minimum.

 

Maybe that is a problem. It may be a bit too long. I will concede that. But then what do we make it?

 

^That entire sentence including punctuation is exactly 100 characters long.

[Nas 2,873]

 

 

Maybe that is a problem. It may be a bit too long. I will concede that. But then what do we make it?

 

^That entire sentence including punctuation is exactly 100 characters long.

 

Well, I'd say we not jump to conclusions and start off by maybe half of that, or even less. Maybe 40, or 30. See, posts can be of high quality, and still not be very long, but really now, I'd rather have a 40 character meaningful posts than having it ruined by being forced to produce a run on sentence for the rest of the 60 characters.

[HomuraBL 851]

Well, I'd say we not jump to conclusions and start off by maybe half of that, or even less. Maybe 40, or 30. See, posts can be of high quality, and still not be very long, but really now, I'd rather have a 40 character meaningful posts than having it ruined by being forced to produce a run on sentence for the rest of the 60 characters.

 

I like this.

 

^12 characters

 

I think that was a very good idea.

 

^34 characters.

 

So yeah, maybe 40 - 60 character may actually have been a better deal.

[StarStep 42]

Y'know, as much as I like this new rule (to an extent, though...), I think 100 is just a little too long for a minimum.

 

It is too long. A better number would be from 60 -70. You can easily make a relevant post in that amount and don't have to fluff it up to be 100. Personally I have noticed a lot of posts adding fluff and spam to their otherwise relevant posts and that is more annoying to me than short reactionary posts. I think a compromise would be the best. The intention is good and I can see how character limits can help but I think it just needs tweaking on the number.

[Zoop 8,384]

the only reason i find it annoying is because of like the welcome plaza i dont want to make a long a exaggerated welcome.

 

Speaking from personal experience, when I join a forum and put some time into making an introductory post, I honestly get nothing out of brief "HI THERE" welcoming messages. The only ones I give a lick about are the ones in which the person welcoming me seems to be interested in actually welcoming me, not just interested in copy/pasting the same message into every thread he or she sees.

 

An empty welcome is a pointless welcome.

 

Honestly, while I agree with the intentions of the rule, it doesn't change any content issues.

 

Posts like:

 

"LOL IKR"

 

Will just turn into:

 

"XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD LOL IRK DAT IZ FUNNYYYYY am I at 100 characters yet"

 

Could've definitely been better thought out.

 

You seem to be under the impression that we are no longer going to seek and destroy things that are spammy or point - that is not the case. People blatantly bypassing the minimum will be doing nothing more than placing a spotlight on themselves as someone that has no respect for the rules of the forum.

 

A couple people have already found themselves on the moderation queue for their repeated attempts at being clever. If they had taken the energy the used into bypassing the minimum, and instead directed it to posting something worthwhile they wouldn't have found themselves in their current position.

 

In addition to no change in what content will have from spammy people (besides that there will be more of the spam they spit out), I'd expect a lot of bitching from a lot of new people now that this is put in place.

 

I mean, why not a filter on words like "LOL", "ROFL", "XD", etc instead? They're absolutely useless and have no meaning in any conversation whatsoever.

 

'Spammy people' will find their posting privileges restricted, and eventually revoked entirely. I have no issue with people that want to dig their own graves.

 

my issue was with its half assed execution such as not having the charactor counter at the start and not even giving it a though until one very intelligent pony mentioned it, how they didnt fix it around post so people were just quating peple to keep there posts short (which has now been fixed), and the fact that people can spam 100 charactors and then edit.

As human beings, we are capable of error - additionally, we are capable of not always thinking of every possible outcome, circumstance, and situation that might arise. The original implementation was done via a pre-made plugin for IPB - the enhancements such as the character counter and such are a result of one of our moderators - Scootacool - taking his time to learn how to work with IPB and tweak the plugin in such a way that it is no longer quite so easy to bypass.

 

Nothing is perfect though - there will always be ways to get around it. That is why we have human moderators - so that we can take care of those that habitually do so.

 

More or less. I admit, it would be ironic if this change only added to moderator workload through users blatantly attempting circumvention.

 

I expect a temporary increase in workload as people adjust to the change and work out their angst over it. Change does not always come easily.

[Fizz. 1,078]

I have one problem with this move:

 

 

You just hired a DOZEN moderators. A DOZEN. And yet you still think it's too hard to properly moderate your forums? Honestly. It isn't that huge of a problem that we need to limit our post counts at this point, especially with such a huge staff.

 

Either hire a dozen mods or limit posts, but doing both is ridiculous. And don't act like it's ever so hard to moderate the forums, because it's not like you're forced to be a moderator.

[Zoop 8,384]

You just hired a DOZEN moderators. A DOZEN. And yet you still think it's too hard to properly moderate your forums? Honestly. It isn't that huge of a problem that we need to limit our post counts at this point, especially with such a huge staff.

 

Either hire a dozen mods or limit posts, but doing both is ridiculous. And don't act like it's ever so hard to moderate the forums, because it's not like you're forced to be a moderator.

When you have over 4,000 posts per day, even with a decently sized staff it is unrealistic to go through each and every post on the forum. We don't live here, contrary to popular belief. We do not have the time to put every blasted post under a magnifying glass to determine if it is worthwhile or not.

 

When you have people leaving the forum, registering elsewhere, and specifically citing the lack of meaningful and/or worthwhile discussion here as their reason for leaving, you have a problem that needs to be addressed, one way or another. We pay attention to things like that, and have no interest in having this place get a reputation as a famous spampit.

 

I for one would rather step down as an administrator and leave the forum entirely than see it come to that.

[PonyEcho 1,610]

As human beings, we are capable of error - additionally, we are capable of not always thinking of every possible outcome, circumstance, and situation that might arise. The original implementation was done via a pre-made plugin for IPB - the enhancements such as the character counter and such are a result of one of our moderators - Scootacool - taking his time to learn how to work with IPB and tweak the plugin in such a way that it is no longer quite so easy to bypass.

 

Nothing is perfect though - there will always be ways to get around it. That is why we have human moderators - so that we can take care of those that habitually do so.

 

 

wasn't this a big desision between 16-20 people, so im not sure Human Error can be brought into question because that would mean that as this idea was being pitched no one though that it would be a good idea to plan ahead making sure that everything is ready for when you drop this idea onto us.

 

also /) thank you for approving my 8 posts

Edited July 23, 2012 by PonyEcho

[Fizz. 1,078]

When you have over 4,000 posts per day, even with a decently sized staff it is unrealistic to go through each and every post on the forum. We don't live here, contrary to popular belief. We do not have the time to put every blasted post under a magnifying glass to determine if it is worthwhile or not.

 

When you have people leaving the forum, registering elsewhere, and specifically citing the lack of meaningful and/or worthwhile discussion here as their reason for leaving, you have a problem that needs to be addressed, one way or another. We pay attention to things like that, and have no interest in having this place get a reputation as a famous spampit.

 

I for one would rather step down as an administrator and leave the forum entirely than see it come to that.

 

Alrighty, I'll just agree with what you said for the best.

 

Really, though, ther is a disctinct lack of interesting conversation here. If you notice, most of the topics are very, very specific questions with little to no room for discussion, and those who do discuss tend to deviate from the topic and get their posts deleted. What we desperately need is to get rid of the single question and narrow topics, most notably threads that are just videos. That would eliminate boring conversation in itself.