Child Abuse Vrant

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

There are many things that can raise our middle fingers from the moment it hits our ears.

Then again....

Do you want to know what really pisses me off out of all the topics I have talked about?
Well, I don't know if this is an appropriate topic, but it happens every second of the day and is frankly uncontrollable.
It has to be one of the most sickning things any parent would ever inflict on their child.

Tell me...who in the right fucking mind would wind to beat an innocent child?
What the hell goes through the parent's mind when they do this? What makes it okay all of a sudden to beat the living life out of something you brought into this world?

Why...or how could these monsters be blessed with such beautiful kids that deserve much better?

How this vrant triggered?
Well...I decided to scroll through my facebook when I came across this photo of an autistic girl, beaten the crap out of by their parents, who were supposed to take care for her, love her...

Sometimes, I just want to wonder what kind of world I am living in. If I could, I would make it Eye for an Eye.

You know what, when I get older, i'm considering adoption...because I do not want to bring a child into this messed up place. I'm sorry this stuff just pisses me off.

 

I love children, and if I ever catch someone beating their kid, I swear to celestia, I will get out and kick their ass before having it in jail in two.

Your thoughts?

(I apologize for this raging mess, but this is just one of them topics)

[dragon4111 914]

Dominance, power, the sick desire to rule over others. I know what it means. I've felt that brands kiss. I've felt the blows of betrayal. The abuse always comes back to haunt us all. The victims are sometimes blamed but they fear what would happen.

[BronyPony 575]

There are many things that can raise our middle fingers from the moment it hits our ears.

 

Then again....

 

Do you want to know what really pisses me off out of all the topics I have talked about?

Well, I don't know if this is an appropriate topic, but it happens every second of the day and is frankly uncontrollable.

It has to be one of the most sickning things any parent would ever inflict on their child.

 

Tell me...who in the right fucking mind would wind to beat an innocent child?

What the hell goes through the parent's mind when they do this? What makes it okay all of a sudden to beat the living life out of something you brought into this world?

 

Why...or how could these monsters be blessed with such beautiful kids that deserve much better?

 

How this vrant triggered?

Well...I decided to scroll through my facebook when I came across this photo of an autistic girl, beaten the crap out of by their parents, who were supposed to take care for her, love her...

 

Sometimes, I just want to wonder what kind of world I am living in. If I could, I would make it Eye for an Eye.

 

You know what, when I get older, i'm considering adoption...because I do not want to bring a child into this messed up place. I'm sorry this stuff just pisses me off.

 

I love children, and if I ever catch someone beating their kid, I swear to celestia, I will get out and kick their ass before having it in jail in two.

 

Your thoughts?

 

(I apologize for this raging mess, but this is just one of them topics)

I feel the same way, especially when the government pretty much does nothing about it(child protective services always makes things worse). If I saw a guy abusing a child(even to a major point), I would shoot the bastard dead. If we shot all these bastards we wouldn't have so many in our community. I don't really care if you go the "Oh but he had a bad life himself..." route. If anyone had the decency to stop the abuse that occurred to them it wouldn't happen.

[dragon4111 914]

I feel the same way, especially when the government pretty much does nothing about it(child protective services always makes things worse). If I saw a guy abusing a child(even to a major point), I would shoot the bastard dead. If we shot all these bastards we wouldn't have so many in our community. I don't really care if you go the "Oh but he had a bad life himself..." route. If anyone had the decency to stop the abuse that occurred to them it wouldn't happen.

And the women what about them hmm? Women aren't as guiltless as some might think. I'm just saying ponies that women also abuse children too. For instance a woman killed her son because she said he was possessed by the devil himself. I think she was nuts. I really think now miss chowchowpie don't take offence to what I'm saying here. But women can be just as guilty as men do.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

>sees everyone going on about killing, beating etc. the parent rather than sending them to jail

 

 

Okay I'll be staying away from this thread for now

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

And the women what about them hmm? Women aren't as guiltless as some might think. I'm just saying ponies that women also abuse children too. For instance a woman killed her son because she said he was possessed by the devil himself. I think she was nuts. I really think now miss chowchowpie don't take offence to what I'm saying here. But women can be just as guilty as men do.

Well, I think both men and women are guilty of child abuse...noramlly when we saw guy we mean anonymous.

Well I think women are mostly bad about child abuse...im not trying to be sexist here, but from far as i've seen...

[Lisa 5,553]

Child abuse is something that sickens me, every time I hear it. I absolutely hate it, and what happens to it.

 

The government does jack-shit about it, and I'm fed up with it! Any parent, or just ANY person abusing a child should be tortured, I believe. It's absolutely disgusting, traumatizing and pathetic.

How could any person live with themself knowing that they have beaten an innocent child, just because of their rage? If I had beaten a child, (which I would NEVER do), I would either turn myself in, or I would even go to the point of suicide! Because that would just haunt me, knowing for the rest of my life that I had just beaten a child, who never deserved such a thing, just because I was angry.

 

If you have ever beaten an innocent child, in ANY way, I suggest you turn yourself in. Now.

 

 

~Luna

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

No. No. Please, god no. Why did you have to write alll of it in comic sans? That's a crime almost as bad as child abuse itself. Almost.

Umm...no i don't think so lol

I just wanted to write in comic sans, alot of people have a unique way of writing their posts.

Besides, I don't see it as a crime.

Now stealing my cookie is a crime.

[dragon4111 914]

I said no such things friend I am just pointing out my views on the subject. And I'm not doing anything wrong with that. Plus If you read my post and I don't mean to be mean by this it said that the woman killed her baby just because she believe it was possessed by the devil.

>sees everyone going on about killing, beating etc. the parent rather than sending them to jail

 

 

Okay I'll be staying away from this thread for now

[Feather Spiral 1,892]

I don't really care if you go the "Oh but he had a bad life himself..." route. If anyone had the decency to stop the abuse that occurred to them it wouldn't happen.

It's not so simple.

 

People are sometimes tricked into believing violence is normal, that it's the way of nature - Darwinian selection theory applied to human societies, if you will. Not necessarily because they, in person, got picked on, but because they saw it happen to others at an early age, and became numb to it (mixing up strength and numbness, confusing tolerance to pain with inability to feel).

Law doesn't help it either, especially when it comes to "officially weak" populations, such as women pointed out by dragon4111. I have posts on my tumblr (feathery-dreamer) tagged "Gender Differences" and "politics" which, I believe, can give an idea of how many offenders walk away simply for not fitting the legal definition of a criminal.

 

Any parent, or just ANY person abusing a child should be tortured, I believe. It's absolutely disgusting, traumatizing and pathetic.

How could any person live with themself knowing that they have beaten an innocent child, just because of their rage? If I had beaten a child, (which I would NEVER do), I would either turn myself in, or I would even go to the point of suicide! Because that would just haunt me, knowing for the rest of my life that I had just beaten a child, who never deserved such a thing, just because I was angry.

Killing or torturing violent people AFTER they've done their thing is not fixing the problem. You'd be focusing on the symptoms, and you'd be a violent person yourself.

"Fighting fire with fire" is a very delicate concept, and it should NOT be applied to every single thing you disagree with.

 

Also, no one can say "if I had committed a crime, I would ____" without actually having committed said crime, because you have no idea what was going on in those criminals' heads.

Though, I can assure you, the great majority of offenders commit crimes either out of necessity, or because they don't care. In the former case, they wouldn't believe they owe anything to a society that treated them so poorly in the first place (BEFORE they started to hit back); in the latter case, no comment, they wouldn't do any of the things you claim you would've done.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Feather Spiral

[BronyPony 575]

It's not so simple.

 

People are sometimes tricked into believing violence is normal, that it's the way of nature - Darwinian selection theory applied to human societies, if you will. Not necessarily because they, in person, got picked on, but because they saw it happen to others at an early age, and became numb to it (mixing up strength and numbness, confusing tolerance to pain with inability to feel).

Law doesn't help it either, especially when it comes to "officially weak" populations, such as women pointed out by dragon4111. I have posts on my tumblr (feathery-dreamer) tagged "Gender Differences" and "politics" which, I believe, can give an idea of how many offenders walk away simply for not fitting the legal definition of a criminal.

 

Killing or torturing violent people AFTER they've done their thing is not fixing the problem. You'd be focusing on the symptoms, and you'd be a violent person yourself.

"Fighting fire with fire" is a very delicate concept, and it should NOT be applied to every single thing you disagree with.

 

Also, no one can say "if I had committed a crime, I would ____" without actually having committed said crime, because you have no idea what was going on in those criminals' heads.

Though, I can assure you, the great majority of offenders commit crimes either out of necessity, or because they don't care. In the former case, they wouldn't believe they owe anything to a society that treated them so poorly in the first place (BEFORE they started to hit back); in the latter case, no comment, they wouldn't do any of the things you claim you would've done.

Well, it seems like you are trying to convince me into thinking that the guy(or gal) shouldn't be shot because they are close to murdering their own children. The fact is, I would still shoot the bastard.

Edited April 7, 2013 by BronyPony

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

I said no such things friend I am just pointing out my views on the subject. And I'm not doing anything wrong with that. Plus If you read my post and I don't mean to be mean by this it said that the woman killed her baby just because she believe it was possessed by the devil.

 

I never was directing that to you, if that's what you think, I was just referring to one person, and I was also assuming that there would be more people who would say that they would kill, beat or torture the parent, after that post was made.

[Klick-Klack 299]

Well, there are perhaps more sides to it. (Please don't jump down my throat, I'm not saying that the abusive action is by any means "good", I personally hate it) We can't really just say that no matter what the situation is, the abuser is always at fault, and they should die/suffer greatly. What most forget is that these people have been suffering quite a lot in the first place in order to let out their anger on someone/thing smaller and more vulnerable. In a fit of rage, when a parent assualts their child, how much sanity do you guys think is present? We've all been there at one point. When you are just so furious about something, to the extent that you lose the concept of sanity and rationality. When you want to punch someone no matter what, you don't care about the consequences, you don't balance the factors of right and wrong, you don't forsee situations coming, and the reasons why you are upset. You just want to hit that person. The immediate present, nothing else seems to matter. 

Afterwards, you might feel terrible. What was I thinking? Why was I so stupid? You've been given time to recharge your rational hemisphere, realising just how stupid or unjustified your action was. You feel guilty, ashamed., heartbroken. You would honestly like to apologise to that person, to try and repair everything. But it's awkward. How do you show your face? How would you express yourself? Just at this moment, the bell rings. Two large men. You get punched hard in the diaphragm. Kicked down, broken nose, teeth shattered. You're left lying there in your own blood. No help, no forgiveness.

 

This is not how we should deal with the problem.

 

It can be hard to fathom, but we can't say that all abusers are just mindless soulless heartless freaks. Maybe 3 out of 10 of them actually hate what they're doing. But they can't stop. It could be an anger issue. Mental breakdown, enviromental factors. They are not the person they thought they were. Now they've shattered their relationship with their child, ruined both of their lives. But you can't ask someone that young for forgivness, for they don't understand. And then, in come the violence threats. Even from a community based off the principles "Love and tolerate". Because, you know, a good punch solves everything, right? -.-

 

And the child? Yes, it's tragic. I feel quite bad saying this, but I think it's simply bad luck to be born into this situation. This is also why I think I child should go painlessly, before it even has a brain, instead of being treated horribly in a poor enviroment. (Please don't hurt me, it's just my opinion )

[BronyPony 575]

Well, there are perhaps more sides to it. (Please don't jump down my throat, I'm not saying that the abusive action is by any means "good", I personally hate it) We can't really just say that no matter what the situation is, the abuser is always at fault, and they should die/suffer greatly. What most forget is that these people have been suffering quite a lot in the first place in order to let out their anger on someone/thing smaller and more vulnerable. In a fit of rage, when a parent assualts their child, how much sanity do you guys think is present? We've all been there at one point. When you are just so furious about something, to the extent that you lose the concept of sanity and rationality. When you want to punch someone no matter what, you don't care about the consequences, you don't balance the factors of right and wrong, you don't forsee situations coming, and the reasons why you are upset. You just want to hit that person. The immediate present, nothing else seems to matter. 

Afterwards, you might feel terrible. What was I thinking? Why was I so stupid? You've been given time to recharge your rational hemisphere, realising just how stupid or unjustified your action was. You feel guilty, ashamed., heartbroken. You would honestly like to apologise to that person, to try and repair everything. But it's awkward. How do you show your face? How would you express yourself? Just at this moment, the bell rings. Two large men. You get punched hard in the diaphragm. Kicked down, broken nose, teeth shattered. You're left lying there in your own blood. No help, no forgiveness.

 

This is not how we should deal with the problem.

 

It can be hard to fathom, but we can't say that all abusers are just mindless soulless heartless freaks. Maybe 3 out of 10 of them actually hate what they're doing. But they can't stop. It could be an anger issue. Mental breakdown, enviromental factors. They are not the person they thought they were. Now they've shattered their relationship with their child, ruined both of their lives. But you can't ask someone that young for forgivness, for they don't understand. And then, in come the violence threats. Even from a community based off the principles "Love and tolerate". Because, you know, a good punch solves everything, right? -.-

 

And the child? Yes, it's tragic. I feel quite bad saying this, but I think it's simply bad luck to be born into this situation. This is also why I think I child should go painlessly, before it even has a brain, instead of being treated horribly in a poor enviroment. (Please don't hurt me, it's just my opinion )

That isn't always the case. Some criminals commit crimes for the fun of it. Some abusers abuse for the fun of it. That is the fact of the case.

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

Well, there are perhaps more sides to it. (Please don't jump down my throat, I'm not saying that the abusive action is by any means "good", I personally hate it) We can't really just say that no matter what the situation is, the abuser is always at fault, and they should die/suffer greatly. What most forget is that these people have been suffering quite a lot in the first place in order to let out their anger on someone/thing smaller and more vulnerable. In a fit of rage, when a parent assualts their child, how much sanity do you guys think is present? We've all been there at one point. When you are just so furious about something, to the extent that you lose the concept of sanity and rationality. When you want to punch someone no matter what, you don't care about the consequences, you don't balance the factors of right and wrong, you don't forsee situations coming, and the reasons why you are upset. You just want to hit that person. The immediate present, nothing else seems to matter. 

Afterwards, you might feel terrible. What was I thinking? Why was I so stupid? You've been given time to recharge your rational hemisphere, realising just how stupid or unjustified your action was. You feel guilty, ashamed., heartbroken. You would honestly like to apologise to that person, to try and repair everything. But it's awkward. How do you show your face? How would you express yourself? Just at this moment, the bell rings. Two large men. You get punched hard in the diaphragm. Kicked down, broken nose, teeth shattered. You're left lying there in your own blood. No help, no forgiveness.

 

This is not how we should deal with the problem.

 

It can be hard to fathom, but we can't say that all abusers are just mindless soulless heartless freaks. Maybe 3 out of 10 of them actually hate what they're doing. But they can't stop. It could be an anger issue. Mental breakdown, enviromental factors. They are not the person they thought they were. Now they've shattered their relationship with their child, ruined both of their lives. But you can't ask someone that young for forgivness, for they don't understand. And then, in come the violence threats. Even from a community based off the principles "Love and tolerate". Because, you know, a good punch solves everything, right? -.-

 

And the child? Yes, it's tragic. I feel quite bad saying this, but I think it's simply bad luck to be born into this situation. This is also why I think I child should go painlessly, before it even has a brain, instead of being treated horribly in a poor enviroment. (Please don't hurt me, it's just my opinion )

I respect your opinion, but most of us just belive that we should have eye for an eye, since no one wants to try to do anything about it. We feel that, yes, we shoud beat the living crap out of them...teaches those lowlife dogs empathy.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

That isn't always the case. Some criminals commit crimes for the fun of it. Some abusers abuse for the fun of it. That is the fact of the case.

 

I think that you're missing his point. He was trying to say that not all people are like that when it comes down to child abuse, and they shouldn't suffer just because some people like to do it for fun. Either way I disagree with violence on violence when it comes down to situations like this.

 

I respect your opinion, but most of us just belive that we should have eye for an eye, since no one wants to try to do anything about it. We feel that, yes, we shoud beat the living crap out of them...teaches those lowlife dogs empathy.

 

The abuser beating the crap out of his/her's own kid doesn't teach anyone a lesson, so why would it with a full grown adult who has problems that need to be fixed.

[Feather Spiral 1,892]

Well, it seems like you are trying to convince me into thinking that the guy(or gal) shouldn't be shot because they are close to murdering their own children. The fact is, I would still shoot the bastard.

I'm trying to convince you that you can't judge someone's actions without knowing their reasons. It's easy to say "they deserve to die/have their penis cut off/be tortured/be beaten up", when the reason for their violence could be because they were treated that way in the first place.

 

I wanna point out here, in case anyone tries to strawman my arguments, that I'm not excusing any of these offenders.

I'm EXPLAINING.

I'm not justifying that they have a right to commit these horrors. I'm explaining why they may be committing them, which should be useful in finding a way to eliminate the problem.

[Klick-Klack 299]

That isn't always the case. Some criminals commit crimes for the fun of it. Some abusers abuse for the fun of it. That is the fact of the case.

Oh? Backed by which statistics?

 Plus, I know it isn't awlays the case. But that does not give us the right to treat them all equally. Like mindless scum. DJ Luna up their even mentioned torturing them. I mean, this is despicable, Why, oh why would torturing them, putting them through agony make anything better? I 'll tell you. Because so many people get so emotionly upset at the topic, and the anger engulfs rationality. Partially the reason why the abuse is done in the first place. Half the people here just want to see the abusers suffer even more that the child did, regardless of wether they did it "for fun" or not. (btw, even that counts as mental instability, which therefore means they don't have a choice)

Edited April 7, 2013 by Klick-Klack

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

I think that you're missing his point. He was trying to say that not all people are like that when it comes down to child abuse, and they shouldn't suffer just because some people like to do it for fun. Either way I disagree with violence on violence when it comes down to situations like this.

 

 

The abuser beating the crap out of his/her's own kid doesn't teach anyone a lesson, so why would it with a full grown adult who has problems that need to be fixed.

 

Because they should know better...the child doesn't deserve what it gets. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse, and even if he did get help, the child would be at a foster care somewhere witha family that treats it right. Deep down, I believe no one changes.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

 

Because they should know better...the child doesn't deserve what it gets. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse, and even if he did get help, the child would be at a foster care somewhere witha family that treats it right. Deep down, I believe no one changes.

 

Yet I never said anything about it being okay, I don't agree with child abuse at all, I'm just saying that violence on violence isn't the proper approach. If you believe that no one changes then you need to change your thoughts, someone who beat their child from anger problems they can go through anger management and learn ways to fix their problem.

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

Yet I never said anything about it being okay, I don't agree with child abuse at all, I'm just saying that violence on violence isn't the proper approach. If you believe that no one changes then you need to change your thoughts, someone who beat their child from anger problems they can go through anger management and learn ways to fix their problem.

Well i'm not disagreeing with you, either.

Well I guess you are right, maybe some of them do change their ways...I just believe eye for an eye, and to bring some sort of punishment to them.

But wouldn't they be worried that the parents who beats their child would continue? Like under their noses at least?

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

Well i'm not disagreeing with you, either.

Well I guess you are right, maybe some of them do change their ways...I just believe eye for an eye, and to bring some sort of punishment to them.

But wouldn't they be worried that the parents who beats their child would continue? Like under their noses at least?

 

Which is exactly why in most cases they never get to see their child again, even when they rehabilitate. And yes punishment is fine, but just not senselessly beating the crap out of them for uncontrollable actions. I just think that there are more appropriate actions to take.

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

Which is exactly why in most cases they never get to see their child again, even when they rehabilitate. And yes punishment is fine, but just not senselessly beating the crap out of them for uncontrollable actions. I just think that there are more appropriate actions to take.

Well you see the problem here is that most of their action, well in most cases, are controllable. They just choose to lash out whenever they feel like it. Some people can't control that they have problems, but in all honestly, take it out on something other than your children. Maybe a punching bag? Who knows what goes through anyones skull these days. ._.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

Well you see the problem here is that most of their action, well in most cases, are controllable. They just choose to lash out whenever they feel like it. Some people can't control that they have problems, but in all honestly, take it out on something other than your children. Maybe a punching bag? Who knows what goes through anyones skull these days. ._.

 

The reason why they hit their kids instead of a punching bag, or use a stress ball is because they're pissed off and they need to learn how to control it, I needed help controlling my stress before and it's not as simple as hitting something other than a punching bag, you don't think straight when you have anger issues and you need help to control it. It is controllable but in most situations it's not controllable on your own.

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

The reason why they hit their kids instead of a punching bag, or use a stress ball is because they're pissed off and they need to learn how to control it, I needed help controlling my stress before and it's not as simple as hitting something other than a punching bag, you don't think straight when you have anger issues and you need help to control it. It is controllable but in most situations it's not controllable on your own.

Well...you're right on about that, i'll admit.

Sometimes when i'm mad...or extremely mad, i'll start yelling at others when they didn't do nothing. Like, I can get blindly angry at other people. I don't know if that counts as a problem or not. I can also take the littlest thing TOO personally and think it's about e, or their insulting, or they are doing something on purpose. It sucks. >.<