Super Saiyans From DBZ VS Alicorns

[Sanctified Absence 126]

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Magic=/=ki

 

Chocolate Beam didn't leave as much desctruction as Final Flash, yet it's far more powerful.

 

Alicorns have shown killer intent, Nightmare Moon was going to impale Twilight, Celestia looked like she was trying to kill Chrysalis, and Twilight blasted apart the Pinkie clones and plants

 

True, although as I said we have only ever seen Alicorns use their laser type magic(or horns) to fight/kill instead of tranformation spells etc. whether or not this has something to do with inability to do so or something else entirely that is up for debate. But so far in every single battle in which an Alicorn has fought they have resorted to beams that can crush pretty large rocks (or somewhere near that level of power.)

 

Even then we have to account for the sheer brutality and speed of one of the main Saiyan's attacks. Say Celestia kills Vegeta and Trunks with magic (replace these two if you want), at which point Ultimate Gohan or Goku would speed at them faster than the human eye is capable of seeing before throwing them through a mountain or more.  

 

Like I said earlier, I strongly believe that the Alicorns will kill quite a few Saiyans, but I just can't see them taking overall victory.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Hive King 2,001]

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You forget, there are several alicorns. Cadence, Luna, Twilight, and Celestia. Assuming we have 4 Saiyans, they're down with just one volley. If it's Gohan left, he'll lose his focus like usual and leave himself open 

[Sanctified Absence 126]

That is true... Assuming the Alicorns  get a hit with their spells. You seem to be forgetting the Saiyans' ability to dodge any non-large area effect attacks. Now fair enough they may pull the villain act and one of them will take it in all his cockiness, at which point he will die. The rest of the Saiyans by thet point would be intent on dodging the rest of the spells with speed that matches (or even FAR exceeds, assuming we're using Buu Saga onward characters) Rainbow Dash's.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Hive King 2,001]

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The Saiyans never dodge attacks from people they assume to be weaker. See Vegeta taking 19's punches, Trunks against the Androids, Goku against Fat Buu, and Gohan against Super Buu 

 

The alicorns have a strategist on their side and could coordinate so they fire all at once, taking them down in a single volley

Edited March 16, 2014 by Evil Dragon Master

[Sanctified Absence 126]

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The Saiyans never dodge attacks from people they assume to be weaker. See Vegeta taking 19's punches, Trunks against the Androids, Goku against Fat Buu, and Gohan against Super Buu 

 

They would VERY quickly change their minds after seeing that one of the spells outright instant killed one of their friends. They're too prideful, but most of the time they aren't stupid enough to walk into an instant death attack.

[Hive King 2,001]

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No, what I mean is that Twilight will be smart enough to have them all fire at once, at different targets. Therefore, the Saiyans are all killed at the same time by 4 different beams 

[Shenron00 366]

 

@@Shenron00,

....Do you have any idea who STTGL and Kami No Tenchi are?! STTGL was a universe buster and Kami No Tenchi is God with a capital G! Arceus was breaking dimensions just by getting angry. Alduin can eat planets casually and is immortal. Aslan can create planets on a whim and is an allegory for Jesus Christ. Galactus would flick his pinkie and kill everyone in DBZ and Superman bends Goku over with no trouble

 

Besides, Goku is actually very weak DBZ wise. Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, and Beers, to name a few, easily surpass him.

 

That's Anime Filler, doesn't count

Celestia could just drop the Sun on the Z-Fighters. That will kill them from the heat alone.

 

BTW, Asura, Chakravartin, Granzeboma, Living Tribunal, Beyonder, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Slenderman, and Mr Myxapik would also kill DBZ with no trouble

 

Goku did beat the God of Destruction who can destroy the entire universe if he felt like it. No one else on DBZ could do that. Gohan and Gotenks have tried and they failed. And why are you comparing Pokémon to DBZ? They get knocked out by lightning bolts and shit while DBZ can survive giant blasts of energy that would brutally murder a Pokémon or pony. As for the sun dropping, that would destroy the planet which Celestia wouldn't do, and it never says she actually CONTROLS the sun, she just raises it by herself, which is actually still kind of impressive since I'm pretty sure it took multiple ponies to do that back then. Alduin got killed by the Dragonborn, who can't even survive a 20 foot fall. While Aslam can create planets, Beerus destroys them, and Goku beat Beerus (granted, he DID have to discover a new transformation). Arceus is a GOD DAMN POKÉMON! A level 100 Hitmonlee would knock him out with 4 High-Jump Kicks. Not to mention he becomes a 10 year olds bitch. Galactus would beat Goku unless he goes SSG. I mean Galactus does eat planets, so I kind of HAVE to give you that much. STTGL and Kami No Tenchi are the guys I've only heard of so I can't say much (I'll look it up later though). A match between SM and Goku would depend on A LOT of things so it's just too much for me to explain.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Shenron00

[Sanctified Absence 126]

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No, what I mean is that Twilight will be smart enough to have them all fire at once, at different targets. Therefore, the Saiyans are all killed at the same time by 4 different beams 

 

This would be problematic, however we are assuming that the Alicorns get the first attack.

 

Furthermore, some of the Saiyans may decide to dodge (emphasis on may). So assuming some of them are smart-ish, they could dodge a Transformation spell. Alicorns on the other hand may not be fast enough to dodge most of the Saiyan's attacks.

 

Besides, I'm not sure they'd come up with that plan. We have to remember how both sides would react in the situation, and I'm not sure the first thing Twilight Sparkle would think of is "Hey, let's line up and kill them all with a volley." She doesn't even know that they won't try to dodge attacks.

 

As far as the Ponies are concerned, there are 4 almost Godlike beings who can supposedly dish out more power than Celestia (this may or may not be true, but it would certainly look that way), this would have a serious effect on morale whichever way you look at it.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Shenron00, 

You don't understand the difference between God with a capital G and Beers. GOD can create universes with no effort, Beers can't even destroy a galaxy. Really? Arceus can create and destroy universes on a whim. Him getting defeated is simple game mechanics. Can Goku survive a universe being made inside of him? No, he can't. 

 

Alduin is immortal unless you are the Dragonborn. If it was anyone else, he'd just respawn a second later. Not to mention the Alduin you fight is not his true form. His true form is the size of a planet and can eat planets/Daedra(same size). You aren't understanding the power of creation. Aslan could create a planet inside Goku's brain and make his head explode from the inside out. 

 

Goku isn't even universe tier, he would get trashed by Arceus, who is universe tier. Galactus would make SSJG Gok his bitch. SSJG Goku can't even destroy a galaxy, Galactus can survive the Big Bang.

 

I'm sorry, but DBZ is the most overrated verse ever. The hax that god like people bring to the table is too much for them.

 

Also, Bugs Bunny could beat up Goku

[Shenron00 366]

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That was unicorns combining their magic.

 

Why are you even bringing Broly into this? He's a weakling by Buu Saga standards. Even Good Buu would fodderize him, let alone Fat Buu and above. Broly is SSJ2 Kid Gohan tier, nothing more.

Something tells me you haven't seen Broly: Second Coming. It took SS1 Gohan, Goten, and Goku using a family Kamehameha to kill him.

[Hive King 2,001]

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We don't know the circumstances of the battle, which does matter here 

[Sanctified Absence 126]

Something tells me you haven't seen Broly: Second Coming. It took SS1 Gohan, Goten, and Goku using a family Kamehameha to kill him.

 

No, he's right. SSJ2 Kid Gohan could probably beat Broly.

 

Remember, SSJ is 4x power, SSJ2 is 16x power... Or at least I think that's how it goes.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Hive King 2,001]

Something tells me you haven't seen Broly: Second Coming. It took SS1 Gohan, Goten, and Goku using a family Kamehameha to kill him.

Your point being? You can't just go

1+1+1=3 

First off, SSJ3 is already 20x stronger than SSJ. Second off, Goten and Gohan are much weaker than Goku at that time. 

 

Honestly, that feat could have been done by Super Perfect Cell, SSJ2 Kid Gohan, or Majin Vegeta. Broly is high tier SSJ2 but that would still make him trash to Good Buu, let alone Fat Buu and above

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Actually, it's

SSJ: 50x Base

SSJ2: 100x Base 

SSJ3: 400x Base

SSJG: It's addition, not multiplication

[Sanctified Absence 126]

Actually after looking.

 

SSJ is 50x Power

SSJ2 is 100x Power

SSJ3 is 400X Power

 

Broly doesn't stand a chance against a SSJ3.

[Hive King 2,001]

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Yeah. The only reason he hits SSJ2 tier is because Gohan was SSJ2 when they fought. Even then, Gohan was rusty(so rusty even Goku insulted him about it) and Broly was having trouble with him, being staggered and kicked away multiple times.

 

Some people actually debate the SSJ2 multiplier being much higher. This is because in the Cell Games, Cell was holding back immensely against Goku and Gohan, evident by his huge power-up before fighting Gohan. Even after that power-up, Gohan was thrashing him

[Shenron00 366]

@@Shenron00,

You don't understand the difference between God with a capital G and Beers. GOD can create universes with no effort, Beers can't even destroy a galaxy. Really? Arceus can create and destroy universes on a whim. Him getting defeated is simple game mechanics. Can Goku survive a universe being made inside of him? No, he can't.

 

Alduin is immortal unless you are the Dragonborn. If it was anyone else, he'd just respawn a second later. Not to mention the Alduin you fight is not his true form. His true form is the size of a planet and can eat planets/Daedra(same size). You aren't understanding the power of creation. Aslan could create a planet inside Goku's brain and make his head explode from the inside out.

 

Goku isn't even universe tier, he would get trashed by Arceus, who is universe tier. Galactus would make SSJG Gok his bitch. SSJG Goku can't even destroy a galaxy, Galactus can survive the Big Bang.

 

I'm sorry, but DBZ is the most overrated verse ever. The hax that god like people bring to the table is too much for them.

 

Also, Bugs Bunny could beat up Goku

Arceus got hurt by Pikachu when he didn't have that lightning plate, maybe not badly, but he still got hurt. It never said he created a dimension, he just traveled to one to rest. Goku would still kill Arceus. I don't know about Kami Whatshisface (fun fact: Kami is Japanese for God) so instill can't say anything. Give me time to check it out. WTF Goku would tear a new asshole in Bugs Bunny. But it's not like any of this matters anyways! Everyone knows that good guys DONT FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!! DBZ, and probably other characters from other franchises, CAN SENSE GOOD IN OTHERS!! Hence, THEY WOULDN'T FIGHT!! Vegeta might fight other good guys, but that's irrelevant since he's just 1 Saiyan.

[Zhortac 1,475]

I want to point out a couple things.

 

1. Transmutation magic is instant. All non-projectile magic spells are FTL, but do require a bit of concentration (except for Discord, who has shown the ability to do it instantly).

2. No, Beers is not galaxy teir, Whis maybe, but that's stretching it.

3. Goku DID NOT beat Beers. Beers wasn't even fighting at full power against SSG Goku. The only reason Beers didn't blow up Earth, was because he wanted Goku alive to get stronger and see how he'd do against him at 100%.

4. Goku can't just straight up go SSG on a whim, like SS1-3, so that would cost him as well. The transformation takes a bit of time, and time is not something you want to let a magic caster have. Saying he'll just go SSG, just screwed them all over.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

Back on topic, I think we need more circumstances to decide on who would win, the basic ones being.

 

Saiyans are there for the kill, ponies are not - Saiyans win due to how the Alicorns would not have the time to formulate a suitable strategy. 

 

Other way around - Alicorns win due to coordinated magic attacks (unless a main Saiyan decided to dodge anyways, then things get interesting.)

 

Both want to kill each other - 1 of three ways; Alicorns kill all the Saiyans in coordination, Saiyans blow up the planet/Equestria before the Alicorns can act, Alicorns kill some of the Saiyans, at which point if there is more than 1 main Saiyan left the Alicorns likely lose.

 

All in all there is a sizeable possibility that Alicorns would win, but IMO there's just more chance for a Saiyan win.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Shenron00,

The fact that Arceus was hurt by Pikachu(actualyl him getting hurt at all in the Movie) is PIS of the highest order. He created the Pokemon universe and just by getting pissed off, he was destroying it too.

 

Bugs Bunny can break the 4th wall, he'd jump out of the way and then just erase Goku from the script. Even if he dies, he can revive himself.

 

Good guys don't fight to the death, huh? Really? Because Aslan bit the White Witch's face off, Obi-Wan killed Anakin, Superman killed Lois Lane(Injustice), Raiden killed Liu Kang, etc. Good guys kill a lot too

[Shenron00 366]

Your point being? You can't just go

1+1+1=3

First off, SSJ3 is already 20x stronger than SSJ. Second off, Goten and Gohan are much weaker than Goku at that time.

 

Honestly, that feat could have been done by Super Perfect Cell, SSJ2 Kid Gohan, or Majin Vegeta. Broly is high tier SSJ2 but that would still make him trash to Good Buu, let alone Fat Buu and above

@,

Actually, it's

SSJ: 50x Base

SSJ2: 100x Base

SSJ3: 400x Base

SSJG: It's addition, not multiplication

You misunderstood what I meant. I never mentioned SS3 at all. I know the power up math. Also, Fat Buu IS the good Buu

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Shenron00,

No. Fat Buu =/= Good Buu. Good Buu fought Grey Buu and Kid Buu.

 

There is huge difference in power because when the two halves split, most of the power went to Gray Buu. Good Buu is less than half as powerful as Fat Buu 

[Shenron00 366]

@@Shenron00,

No. Fat Buu =/= Good Buu. Good Buu fought Grey Buu and Kid Buu.

 

There is huge difference in power because when the two halves split, most of the power went to Gray Buu. Good Buu is less than half as powerful as Fat Buu

You could have said Buu Pre-Split or something like that. I thought you meant the Fat Buu in general. My bad. Also, if we're talking about breaking the 4th wall and erasing characters, then that basically means that Bugs is God and would kill everyone. STTGL, Alduin, Goku, anyone.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

I want to point out a couple things.

 

1. Transmutation magic is instant. All non-projectile magic spells are FTL, but do require a bit of concentration (except for Discord, who has shown the ability to do it instantly).

2. No, Beers is not galaxy teir, Whis maybe, but that's stretching it.

3. Goku DID NOT beat Beers. Beers wasn't even fighting at full power against SSG Goku. The only reason Beers didn't blow up Earth, was because he wanted Goku alive to get stronger and see how he'd do against him at 100%.

4. Goku can't just straight up go SSG on a whim, like SS1-3, so that would cost him as well. The transformation takes a bit of time, and time is not something you want to let a magic caster have. Saying he'll just go SSG, just screwed them all over.

 

We have never seen transmutation magic on others except when Twilight accidentally turned a frog into an orange as far as I can remember, And that was a beam.

 

While facing Beerus in the movie, Krillin says that the Earth is doomed. Piccolo corrects Krillin's statement and adds that the entire galaxy will cease to be.

 

it is said by Whis that during the fight with Goku after he became a Super Saiyan God, that Beerus used up 70% of his full power in the fight with Goku using 80%.

 

True, but ever since his transformation Goku has become amazingly strong, even in his normal form.

[Zhortac 1,475]

Back on topic, I think we need more circumstances to decide on who would win, the basic ones being.

 

Saiyans are there for the kill, ponies are not - Saiyans win due to how the Alicorns would not have the time to formulate a suitable strategy. 

 

Other way around - Alicorns win due to coordinated magic attacks (unless a main Saiyan decided to dodge anyways, then things get interesting.)

 

Both want to kill each other - 1 of three ways; Alicorns kill all the Saiyans in coordination, Saiyans blow up the planet/Equestria before the Alicorns can act, Alicorns kill some of the Saiyans, at which point if there is more than 1 main Saiyan left the Alicorns likely lose.

 

All in all there is a sizeable possibility that Alicorns would win, but IMO there's just more chance for a Saiyan win.

 

Bloodlust all combatants. There's a very good chance the alicorns win because of that, since they won't screw around with going for the disable and kill off the bat because of how magic works. Sailor Moon doesn't like to kill (but she has mind you), but under bloodlust conditions, you'd have an entire group of dead saiyans.. Then again, under bloodlust conditions, Goku is probably the only one that could pull a win off.

[GXPBlast 597]

Hey guys can we quickly get back on topic. DBZ VS ponies. Please avoid any other universe such as marvel, sailer moon, narnia, pokemon and others. Thank You

Edited March 16, 2014 by furgrid