RED20 289 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 @RED20 "Absolute truth" is a bit of a hard word, but I can't see why a TV show cannot promote something like that? Liking a kind of entertainment can't be universal. Can there be real stuff in it? Yeah, but not everyone's gonna buy into it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 @RED20 Again, why couldn't it be? I explained in great detail why could everyone like the show. My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codelyy 1,286 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 (edited) You can't just make everyone a brony because not everyone going to like the show if the show so good that everyone should like it then why have so many bronys just stopped watching it? I've stopped watching MLP for ages. I've missed most of season 4 because i just don't want to watch it. It's funny because this reminds me of my friend who's a brony and he always try's to get people to become a brony and i'm always telling him that not everyone wants to become a brony. He just goes to his friends and goes become a brony O_O... Yea like that would work Edited March 17, 2014 by Codelyoko373 1 Thank you Cherribomb for the Signature! https://twitter.com/Codelyy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 @Codelyoko373 I don't know if you read the edit on the original post, but I'll repeat it once more. I'm NOT into persuading anybody, I would just like that people would open their hearts to the show. As for the people who stopped watching the show, well they must have closed their hearts to it. This almost happened to me at the end of season 3/beginning of season 4 with the whole Twilicorn thing. But then I realised what's the show about again and opened my heart to it once again. My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Penny Benny 936 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 @Codelyoko373 I don't know if you read the edit on the original post, but I'll repeat it once more. I'm NOT into persuading anybody, I would just like that people would open their hearts to the show. As for the people who stopped watching the show, well they must have closed their hearts to it. This almost happened to me at the end of season 3/beginning of season 4 with the whole Twilicorn thing. But then I realised what's the show about again and opened my heart to it once again. I still agree that, sure, everyone could like the show if they chose to. But not everyone is going to, like it or not, not everyone would be deeply impacted by choosing to like it, either. Could my best friend choose to see the entertainment value and life lessons of Ponies? Sure. Would that change his life in any deep or meaningful or noticeable way? Not even slightly. Sure, it's a great show, but it's not life-shatteringly unbelievable. Just a good show. Also, you keep using the phrase "opening their hearts". What exactly do you mean by that? Because it's quite vague and confusing and it throws me off. It could mean a hundred different things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 @HennyPennyBenny I keep using that phrase because English isn't my first language, and I can't really find some other phrase that suits the concept. It means that you watch it without ANY prejudices, and embrace your "good" self. My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSun493 51 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 I made a post a while ago that can somewhat address this idea. Have you heard of Homo Homini Lupus? "Man is wolf to man" is the translation and it can really go and describe basic human nature. Man is predetermined to be selfish, and therefore tends to reject other people's happiness in favor for their own. But that, of course, is basic human nature, and society has worked together for a long time and created relationships, not acting barbarically towards each other. It haunts us as humans continually and could easily explain why some reject MLP. It's because they're selfish. MLP is about a community, a community of strangers. To quote Freud," Not merely is this stranger on the whole not worthy of love, but, to be honest, I must confess he has more claim to my hostility, even to my hatred". So, you use the term "open your heart a lot". How do you define it? That is essential to this issue. Used as a kind of accepting differences in others and other social values, this is circular logic. This is how I am interpreting this: if you accept other beliefs, you will enjoy MLP because it is about accepting other beliefs. It doesn't say much... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 (edited) @DarkSun493 I know that phrase. Which doesn't automatically mean I approve it. If we embrace our "bad" self, it's true. But not automatically. I explained that phrase in my previous post. Well, your circular logic doesn't really work here. You've got the first part right, but not the second one. Everyone has it's "bad" and "good" self. There is that Chinese saying, the wolf you feed is the one that will survive. And MLP feeds the "good" wolf. So it's not about accepting differencies, it's about embracing your "good" self, which is, well, good. Edited March 17, 2014 by equerio My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Penny Benny 936 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 (edited) I keep using that phrase because English isn't my first language, and I can't really find some other phrase that suits the concept. It means that you watch it without ANY prejudices, and embrace your "good" self. Ah, that'll do it. English is a terrible language. It makes no sense. Alright, let's get into the meat of the matter. So essentially, to simplify it, you seem to be saying that anyone who embraces their "good" self will enjoy Ponies? Or, to put it more simply, anyone who embraces good will enjoy Ponies? (I've got a point I'm getting to, so for now, if you could just answer yes or no to that, and if no, correct me where I'm misunderstanding) Edited March 17, 2014 by HennyPennyBenny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks 10,816 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 Not everyone who liked the show went into it with an open mind, a lot of people watched it because they thought "what do people see in this?" An understandable question but one that can just as easily be asked by someone with a more negative opinion than a positive or even neutral one. And some others have watched it to shut this brony friend up that is trying to get them to watch it. I was skeptical but was willing to give the show a fair shot my opinion on the show and bronies was neutral because who was I to judge them when I myself have had so many strange hobbies and obsessions over the years? People who have a more positive or neutral outlook are more likely to actually like the show though, if someone dosen't like it though so long as they don't go out of their way to hate on bronies than I have no problem with them. 1 Rarity Get's Cockroaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootalove 10,689 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 @Scootalove I'm not into changing people's opinions, nor persuading them, just embracing the love and friendship we all have deep inside of ourselves. That's what this is about actually. Embracing your "good" self. You know what, you should be an inspirational speaker! Sadly, if only the world could accept love and friendship. 1 Credit: Moony © Forum FAQ Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivion 20,267 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 I know some people will never like it no matter what, though I do think a lot of people watch it and then like it deep down but don't wanna like it, like you said some people just have close minds, then again like another poster said, some time's it's just not someones thing, and that's perfectly fine! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 @, Hey, sorry for the late reply, I had to go to sleep. To answer you question. Yes. Because it promotes basic good values of life. I was skeptical but was willing to give the show a fair shot my opinion on the show and bronies was neutral because who was I to judge them when I myself have had so many strange hobbies and obsessions over the years? The bold part is essential. You were WILLING to give it a fair shot, so you opened your heart to it. @@Scootalove, Hey thanks a lot! 1 My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlicornAcolyte 254 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 (edited) Honestly, I used to be a very pessimistic and cynical person. If there are any House of Cards fans here, I used to think that the methods of Francis Underwood/Francis Urquhart (whichever version you prefer) were the way to do things. However, I started watching the show out of curiosity. My eyes were truly opened. I rediscovered the value of friendship, and in promoting the interests of others, not just yourself. In fact, I think I can say that the show has made me want to be a better person more than any religion has, and I've looked into many. Perhaps that sounds silly, but this is my experience. It certainly doesn't have to be others'. But, there you go! Edited March 17, 2014 by OmniaVincitEquorum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 (edited) @, you sir, seem to share similar opinions as me on multiple topics Edited March 17, 2014 by equerio 1 My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid 1,327 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 My unit (which mainly consist of, well, me, and some friends) is currently working on some insights that would hopefully give mlp contents more credibility among the general public. Contrary to what most people think, mlp actually presented several extremely profound aspects of various ideologies that has been pondered by various famous world philosophers/humanitarians, if you think really hard about it or do some effective research. The best part is these ideas were presented with simple analogies and events that almost all of us can relate to. (As for details of this ongoing project, they're either straightforward for some, or I'd call them "Top Secrets: Eyes only" ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 (edited) @, YES. I was actually afraid to take things this deep, even though I'm aware of this, but you sir, you deserve my full respect. I couldn't agree with you more! And you have my full support on your project! Edited March 17, 2014 by equerio My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalRain 108 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 My take on people that don't like MLP? Some people out there sincerely can't stand "happy" things I'm not what's gotten them so bitter, but that's just how they are There is, of course, people that may just not like the show because of the characters or the plot and maybe they don't have the sense of humor for it either who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 @FatalRain Well, yes, in such dark times it's quite uneasy to be sincerely happy, sometimes even such behaviour is opposed. My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Penny Benny 936 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 (edited) Hey, sorry for the late reply, I had to go to sleep. To answer you question. Yes. Because it promotes basic good values of life. No worries, mate! Alright, implied in what you've said so far is the statement "If a person embraces good, then he will like whatever promotes good," which is a subjective statement and can't reasonably be proven. And you came right out and said that Ponies "promotes basic good values of life". Or to put it more simply, Ponies promotes good. As you've presented it here, "good" is something objective—i.e., there are things that are good no matter what some people think—and you make the claim that Ponies promotes good. While the concept of "good" is that of something objective, it's not really possible to know what that objective good is, so the claim that "Ponies is good" is a statement of personal belief and can't be proven. So all of this gives us the syllogism: Premise 1: If a person embraces good, then he will like whatever promotes good. Premise 2: Ponies promotes good. Conclusion: Therefore, if a person embraces good, then he will like Ponies. This syllogism is so simple that, if the premises are true, then conclusion is obvious and needn't even be stated. But both the premises are unprovable, so it's impossible to prove whether the conclusion is true or not. In short (since I'm sure that was a lot more confusing than it seemed to me), you're getting at a good idea, but you're trying to prove a point that can't be proven, while the people who disagree are trying to disprove a point that can't be disproven. And even if your point could be proven, it would be so simple, so obvious, that you wouldn't even need to say it. I do think you're getting at a good idea, though! It's just that it's purely a matter of opinion. I gotta say, I agree with the people who've said you should be a motivational speaker. Edited March 17, 2014 by HennyPennyBenny 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to know what objective "good" is. I actually think, as a fellow Christian, you would know that the concept of objective "good" is quite defined, and could be found in Jesus' teachings. And I think we both agreed this show promotes some of Jesus' teachings on your welcome thread. And I think you misinterpreted my words, I never said that "ponies are good". I said that the show promotes "good", which you agree is objective. Haha, thanks, it sure sounds nice! My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Penny Benny 936 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to know what objective "good" is. I actually think, as a fellow Christian, you would know that the concept of objective "good" is quite defined, and could be found in Jesus' teachings. And I think we both agreed this show promotes some of Jesus' teachings on your welcome thread. And I think you misinterpreted my words, I never said that "ponies are good". I said that the show promotes "good", which you agree is objective. Haha, thanks, it sure sounds nice! Woops! I edited my post a bit before I posted it, and I forgot to change that last "Ponies is good" to "Ponies promotes good". That's what I meant. And yes, as a Christian, I do believe in an objective good—I believe it beyond the shadow of a doubt—but nonetheless, it's logically impossible for me to know I'm right about that. I have no doubt that every word Jesus spoke was perfect and true and good, but at the same time, I realize that I am fallible and prone to error. So even my doubtless belief in the inerrancy of Scripture could be misplaced for all I know, although the notion seems utterly absurd to me. To extend that reasoning to the extreme, I would say that it is impossible to truly know anything unless I know everything, because otherwise, there could always be a fact somewhere out there that disproves all I believe. So for all I know, this entire world could be the Matrix, and we're all plugged into one giant computer program. Or it could turn out that my whole life has been one extremely vivid dream, and I'm really still a baby. Once again, the notion seems utterly absurd to me, but I cannot reasonably say I know it to be false. If I can't even know for certain that the world is real, then how could I even know for certain that there is an objective definition of good, let alone what that definition is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 Well, if you undoubtedly believe in Jesus' teachings, I think it's pretty straightforward from here. My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkers 29 March 17, 2014 Share March 17, 2014 Sometimes people like me just like this because it awesome Although what you said is the truth to. This defaintly the best cartoon out there right now though 1 https://www.youtube.com/user/princessNIKKERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equerio 6,153 March 17, 2014 Author Share March 17, 2014 @@Nikkers, well you opened your heart to the show, and "allowed" yourself to like it. I'm glad that you agree. 1 My OCs: Joyfire (ask page), Miroslav (under construction). Uhh... equerio is a not-so-lazy Serb who has been to other countries He may have been banned from the Welcoming Plaza, but he is still welcomed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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