Why do people say that Celestia is weak/cowardly?

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Physics in the MLP verse are weird as Hell, comparing Celestia to Luna by what they move is a lame idea. 

 

Nope, QC is being overrated heavily by you. Remember the love shield? She can eat love, but her body has a limit. Otherwise, she'd pop

 

If the Changelings are so mighty, how come they were getting koed by tripping on Fluttershy? At least 21 of them were taken down by 6 untrained civilians. The Changeling's only chance was surprise and Zerg Rushing.

 

Here's an idea, after Celestia had that fiasco with Discord, she gave access to the Mane 6? I'd do it too

 

There weren't any guards inside the building, they were looking for an external threat, not an internal one. As for Celestia not moving out of the way, she was shocked and in fiction, beam struggles usually lock you in place anyway. Don't use that against Celestia when Chrysalis's only reaction to the love shield is shrieking like a little girl and holding up her hoof like it will help her

 

Twilight just stood back and watched because she thought Celestia could handle it, when even Chrysalis is shocked she beat Celestia, then you can't expect anyone else to expect it.

 

As for where Celestia was, perhaps she was waiting to see if Chrysalis had decent motives. Either that, or she wanted to crush Chrysalis's pride

 

How does Luna have any bearing on Celestia?

 

As seen in the past, when she and Luna combine their powers, Sombra is of little threat to them. She probably guessed that if Twilight failed, she could go deal with it herself with Luna

 

Celestia was banished to the Sun when Nightmare Moon returned

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There weren't any guards inside the building, they were looking for an external threat, not an internal one.

Hello? As far as i can tell the changelings came from OUTSIDE. Only Queen Chrysalis was on the inside.

 

Nope, QC is being overrated heavily by you. Remember the love shield? She can eat love, but her body has a limit. Otherwise, she'd pop

Unknown limits. Either or else she can be more powerful than Celestia with only one stallion. Thus it leads me to think that with more or the same she could contest Nightmare Moon, definitely Sombra, easily Sunset Shimmer. Discord is unknown... yea Discord be OP but he is a victim of his own mind games... or can be.

 

If the Changelings are so mighty, how come they were getting koed by tripping on Fluttershy? At least 21 of them were taken down by 6 untrained civilians. The Changeling's only chance was surprise and Zerg Rushing.

Do NOT compare the changelings with zergs! Also fun fact... changelings neither in comics or show have NOT been shown to have any sort of mental link. Also... how come 6 untrained civilians did better than trained guards? Disproportionate efficiency? Dunno... still they eventually overwhelmed them. And with mind control and replacements with shapeshifting they are almost too good. 

 

Here's an idea, after Celestia had that fiasco with Discord, she gave access to the Mane 6? I'd do it too

Acceptable.

 

As for Celestia not moving out of the way, she was shocked and in fiction, beam struggles usually lock you in place anyway. Don't use that against Celestia when Chrysalis's only reaction to the love shield is shrieking like a little girl and holding up her hoof like it will help her

Beam struggles can easily lock you in place? How would you know... i suppose you're gonna quote some anime source? Please don't... And as for the latter... wouldn't you too? It's an instinctive reaction. The fact that her scream seemed to you like the shriek of a little girl is entirely subjective... i considered it a normal scream of denial. Also mocking her will not help your argument

 

Twilight just stood back and watched because she thought Celestia could handle it, when even Chrysalis is shocked she beat Celestia, then you can't expect anyone else to expect it.

Understandable.

 

As for where Celestia was, perhaps she was waiting to see if Chrysalis had decent motives. Either that, or she wanted to crush Chrysalis's pride

The first one... okay... the second one is simply out of character for her. Although her actions would do that even if she wasn't aiming for that. She was mostly wanting to protect her subjects... i don't think she had any ambitions about crushing anyone's pride.

 

How does Luna have any bearing on Celestia?

Because the sun is a star and Luna controls the stars? Just saying...

 

As seen in the past, when she and Luna combine their powers, Sombra is of little threat to them. She probably guessed that if Twilight failed, she could go deal with it herself with Luna

That was actually the depiction caused by quick exposition by her part and highly unlikely the authentic original fight. As for the latter... why didn't they do it in the first place? Why risk it? Why risk many innocent lives? Nevermind... doctors do that with their apprentices but the fact is that this wasn't such a case. Anyways i think it's because it wasn't their kingdom... the Crystal Empire was not subjected to their rule so they could not oppose an old king claiming back the throne. At least not directly... they used Cadence who assumed the role of ruler of the Crystal Empire with Shining Armor. 

 

Celestia was banished to the Sun when Nightmare Moon returned

Unconfirmed... where does it say that?

Edited March 25, 2014 by nioniosbbbb

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Especially with the whole Sombra thing. We know why she wouldn't fight him when he came back. She was in love with him!

That's a head canon and canon MIXED you can't say that, because it never happened.....

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That's a head canon and canon MIXED you can't say that, because it never happened.....

Well, if you read the comics it looks like that to a lot of us!

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Hello? As far as i can tell the changelings came from OUTSIDE. Only Queen Chrysalis was on the inside.

I thought you were referring to them not attack QC

 

 

Unknown limits. Either or else she can be more powerful than Celestia with only one stallion. Thus it leads me to think that with more or the same she could contest Nightmare Moon, definitely Sombra, easily Sunset Shimmer. Discord is unknown... yea Discord be OP but he is a victim of his own mind games... or can be.

For all we know, one stallion is her limit

 

 

Do NOT compare the changelings with zergs! Also fun fact... changelings neither in comics or show have been shown to have any sort of mental link. Also... how come 6 untrained civilians did better than trained guards? Disproportionate efficiency? Dunno... still they eventually overwhelmed them. And with mind control and replacements with shapeshifting they are almost too good. 

Only QC showed off mind control or any modicum of intelligence, the other Changelings acted like children. Again, they got taken out by tripping on Fluttershy and only won through numbers

 

 

Beam struggles can easily lock you in place? How would you know... i suppose you're gonna quote some anime source? Please don't... And as for the latter... wouldn't you too? It's an instinctive reaction. The fact that her scream seemed to you like the shriek of a little girl is entirely subjective... i considered it a normal scream of denial. Also mocking her will not help your argument

Touche, both of them were too shocked to move afterwards

 

 

The first one... okay... the second one is simply out of character for her. Although her actions would do that even if she wasn't aiming for that. She was mostly wanting to protect her subjects... i don't think she had any ambitions about crushing anyone's pride.

Either that, or she was trying to get Chrysalis to babble about her plans, all the other villains do

 

 

Because the sun is a star and Luna controls the stars? Just saying...

Yet they're viewed as equals? Just view it in a more kiddish light, moving the celestial bodies isn't a big deal in FIM

 

 

That was actually the depiction caused by quick exposition by her part and highly unlikely the authentic original fight. As for the latter... why didn't they do it in the first place? Why risk it? Why risk many innocent lives? Nevermind... doctors do that with their apprentices but the fact is that this wasn't such a case. Anyways i think it's because it wasn't their kingdom... the Crystal Empire was not subjected to their rule so they could not oppose an old king claiming back the throne. At least not directly... they used Cadence who assumed the role of ruler of the Crystal Empire with Shining Armor

That's a decent point, she did have Cadence and Shining Armor there as well, so it's not like she sent Twilight completely unprotected. She didn't know Sombra had returned, she just wanted Twilight to find a way to protect it before someone came to the Empire to grab it

 

 

Unconfirmed... where does it say that?

Well, she comes out of the Sun, it looked like she was coming out of the Sun to me. This is based on interpretation but even if she wasn't on the Sun, then perhaps she held back because the last time she fought NMM, she lost. There's little point in giving herself up again when she knows she's going to lose and it would be smarter to stay back and let Twilight, someone she trusts, use the Elements 

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But they ARE canon! Katy Cook, the writer of the comics, confirmed it!

The comics aren't really canon kind of like the comic Sonic the hedgehog- it's in a way a seprate universe.

Because Luna fanboys are idiots and look for any excuse to make their precious, black, angsty princess look better. 

 

Those who aren't Luna fanboys, well, apparently getting beaten by the power of love is shameful.

 

 

 

I still can't get over the fact something that inane happened. 

Wait, if she fell in love with Good Sombra, why would she care about Evil Sombra?

Luna: Angesty what makes us look angsty? Also,WE WOULD CALL OURSELF A BEAUTIFUL MIDNIGHT BLUE! Harrummpph!(lol)

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The fandom wants her to be black, it would make her look more woobie like 

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Yet they're viewed as equals? Just view it in a more kiddish light, moving the celestial bodies isn't a big deal in FIM

 Yea i know... it's a light-hearted assumption too... i mean look at Beavernator's comic about it really.

 

then perhaps she held back because the last time she fought NMM, she lost. There's little point in giving herself up again when she knows she's going to lose and it would be smarter to stay back and let Twilight, someone she trusts, use the Elements 

Actually from what is shown we are unsure if Celestia could have handled Nightmare Moon without the elements or not. What you say only serves to prove to me how cowardly/weak she was not to give it a try. You are currently making the same argument Twilight's friends did when they went to cure the Harmony Tree. Guess what? They were proven wrong.

 

She didn't know Sombra had returned,

"He has returned" *Gasp*... yea... she knew... she knew enough to recognize who it was without even having his name mentioned. I don't think that's the case. 

 

Either that, or she was trying to get Chrysalis to babble about her plans, all the other villains do

I SOOOO hate that... when villains babble their plans. In my fic imma have my villain just attack and not say a thing and when people ask "What do you want." she gonna say "Screw you i am not telling you... go figure it out yourself dumb-ass."

 

Only QC showed off mind control or any modicum of intelligence, the other Changelings acted like children. Again, they got taken out by tripping on Fluttershy and only won through numbers

Some of them had helmets appearing like if there were ranks among them. Still i question how realistic this fight was if someone as Fluttershy did more damage to them than the guards seemed to do. Still the Guards were in a defensive position something that should virtually enhance their numbers. Maybe they should take some lessons from the mane 6 Also Fluttershy's reaction kinda sounds like Kami or whatever that Namekian good side of Piccolo when he entered that tournament against Yamcha. Maybe she KNEW what she was doing.

 

For all we know, one stallion is her limit

Unconfirmed. You saw her handling one stallion. Unknown if she could handle more. Likely that she could.

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The fandom wants her to be black, it would make her look more woobie like 

Hahahahhhha! What is woobie? sounds like a strange fantasy creature.

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Because the sun is a star and Luna controls the stars? Just saying...

 

 

 

When did Luna controlled multiple stars that are far away from Equestria. The comics have shown her to struggle moving the closest star while Celestia was absent, also when did you heard Luna can control multiple stars at once from one very distant location, I'd like to know please.

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@@Nuke87654, It is mentioned she controls the "stars" i don't know the specifics but that's what's attributed to her. If she can only control certain stars i dunno... but the Sun IS a star... and some would argue that by that logic she CAN control the Sun and thus is more powerful than Celestia. There... seems logical enough? 

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Actually from what is shown we are unsure if Celestia could have handled Nightmare Moon without the elements or not. What you say only serves to prove to me how cowardly/weak she was not to give it a try. You are currently making the same argument Twilight's friends did when they went to cure the Harmony Tree. Guess what? They were proven wrong.

 

Celestia could possibly handle Nightmare Moon...but from what we see, she has no way of purifiying Luna of her corruption. She doesn't want to kill Luna, which is the only way he could deal with Nightmare Moon. She has her alternative in the form of the Elements, which she can't wield well apparently and judging by the fact that she sent Twilight to a town where she could get friends, she might have planned this out

 

 

"He has returned" *Gasp*... yea... she knew... she knew enough to recognize who it was without even having his name mentioned. I don't think that's the case. 

"It has returned". She was gasping about the Crystal Empire, not Sombra. If it was Sombra, it would have been "He has returned"

 

 

I SOOOO hate that... when villains babble their plans. In my fic imma have my villain just attack and not say a thing and when people ask "What do you want." she gonna say "Screw you i am not telling you... go figure it out yourself dumb-ass."

Sunset was the best when it came to that. Granted, she babbled, but when it came down to it, she actually tried killing Twilight outright

 

 

Some of them had helmets appearing like if there were ranks among them. Still i question how realistic this fight was if someone as Fluttershy did more damage to them than the guards seemed to do. Still the Guards were in a defensive position something that should virtually enhance their numbers. Maybe they should take some lessons from the mane 6 Also Fluttershy's reaction kinda sounds like Kami or whatever that Namekian good side of Piccolo when he entered that tournament against Yamcha. Maybe she KNEW what she was doing.

 

IDK, Fluttershy looks pretty scared. 

 

Maybe the guards are out of practice from years of peace? Maybe Chrysalis just sent in a bazillion Changelings and was willing to sacrifice thousands to take down a few.

 

Changelings may have ranks, but they seem unable to talk save for copying sentence. Ants have ranks too, but they're dumber than mud

 

 

Unconfirmed. You saw her handling one stallion. Unknown if she could handle more. Likely that she could.

Just as likely she can't, especially when two ponies is enough to overload her and her entire army. That actually is pretty funny if Chrysalis can handle one stallion's love while her entire Changeling army can't handle the love of one pony(Cadence) 

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@@Nuke87654, It is mentioned she controls the "stars" i don't know the specifics but that's what's attributed to her. If she can only control certain stars i dunno... but the Sun IS a star... and some would argue that by that logic she CAN control the Sun and thus is more powerful than Celestia. There... seems logical enough? 

 

That doesn't make sense for she struggled to control one star that was the closest to her in the comics, and if she was capable of controlling multiple stars across the sky and is that much more powerful than Celestia, then why did she sought the aid of Nightmare to help her defeat Celestia because she needed the power boost to beat her sister? I think that statement may have been a metaphor for her control over the night as unless Luna is suddenly found to be the most powerful character in FIM by a huge margin, I just don't see that statement true with my provided contentions.

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This is off the cuff, and is of course just a guess based on what I personally have seen and in absence of better data: Convenience and a desire to believe it.

 

It's sort of like the whole "Rarity is selfish" thing.

Except less justified as Rarity has done self centered things (but calling her selfish belies, imo, a misunderstanding of what selfishness is and how selfish people operate).

Whereas with Celestia, we have a character who is a benevolent deity designed to give legitimacy to the actions and morality of the characters involved but can never get too involved herself.

Rather than deal with the fact that this a common trope (of some kind), to some it makes more sense to call her cowardly.

It's sort of like calling the canonically physically strongest main character 'weak' because many episodes revolve around him losing contests of strength, forgetting that the only reason they use this plot line with said character is because he is the strong guy and therefore being beaten means something.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Whatevs

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^{_{Maybe it's because some characters have more fans than others.I mean think about it,the fandom loves their precious little angel woona but Celestia is often seen as a tyrant from those fans.The fandom see's Celestia as being a coward,or power hungry or something like that when in all honesty she's trying to protect the whole kingdom.For example,when Luna was trying to kill Celestia do you think she was power hungry than? She wasn't,simply just trying to protect the kingdom from eternal darkness.}}

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Celestia could possibly handle Nightmare Moon...but from what we see, she has no way of purifiying Luna of her corruption. She doesn't want to kill Luna, which is the only way he could deal with Nightmare Moon.

Eer she didn't try that herself either. For that matter why did the elements not purify Luna from her evil in the first place? The second... understandable.

 

She has her alternative in the form of the Elements, which she can't wield well apparently and judging by the fact that she sent Twilight to a town where she could get friends, she might have planned this out

You mean she manipulated them? All i can think is... "The bitch..."  Quite ironic when the supposed "hero" does that right?

 

"It has returned". She was gasping about the Crystal Empire, not Sombra. If it was Sombra, it would have been "He has returned"

OH COME ON! She gave a frankly HUUUUUGE exposition about King Sombra and how he returned and stuff! "A unicorn with a heart as black as the night." She KNEW him! This CANNOT be denied!

 

Sunset was the best when it came to that. Granted, she babbled, but when it came down to it, she actually tried killing Twilight outright

Well at least she TRIED to kill the hero! All the others just did nothing... pfff is Chrysalis had the guts to do that none of these would have happened. Celestia dead, Cadence Dead, Twilight and the mane 6 dead... no escape. There is particularly one comic where she monologues "Why didn't i kill them? I should have killed them."

 

Maybe the guards are out of practice from years of peace? Maybe Chrysalis just sent in a bazillion Changelings and was willing to sacrifice thousands to take down a few.

Maybe but the guards of Canterlot had time to practice... not like they weren't warned. Also we don't know how long the peace was or is... maybe Equestria isn't in an immediate war in her capitol, maybe it was simply a few years... it is unknown and you can't claim that war equals villains. If that is so still in the villains case the only case where the guards actually did something was in the vines... and not even then really... whatever. 

 

Changelings may have ranks, but they seem unable to talk save for copying sentence. Ants have ranks too, but they're dumber than mud

True... their intelligence levels are currently unknown. Eeeh you can't talk about ant intelligence especially when you are subconsciously comparing their intelligence to yours. Plus an ant Queen hardly goes outside her lair to do anything. Also i hardly believe some insect-eqsue sounds and appearance are enough to make me believe that Chrysalis is an insect. For that matter Hasbro has defined changelings as "Grotesque ponies" PONIES. 

 

Just as likely she can't, especially when two ponies is enough to overload her and her entire army. That actually is pretty funny if Chrysalis can handle one stallion's love while her entire Changeling army can't handle the love of one pony(Cadence) 

No that was an offensive magic blast specifically targeted for changelings. Look let me tell you this in other words. In order to handle/control/contain and energy source you need to be as powerful or even more so than the foreign power. Or likely exert some strength of your own to reach those levels. The energy sent out was like a wave... when what Chrysalis did with Shining Armor was like drinking water from a well... 

 

then why did she sought the aid of Nightmare to help her defeat Celestia because she needed the power boost to beat her sister?

Unknown if she could beat Celestia without the help of Nightmare Moon. Also... it is a lighthearted assumption/theory that even Beavernator joked about as i said above... Also they are portreyed as Equeals as you or someone else said... how come you're treating her like weaker now? Just a question... also we have no idea how to measure the handling of one start that is the closest ((but still much further away)) to Equestria than the sun. If she was able to even remotely move the closest start to Equestria ((which will definitely be thousands of times further than the Sun is from Equestria)) then it would have been peace of cake for her to move the Sun.

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Because if she was confident enough to beat Celestia on her own she would've done it instead of enlisting Nightmare to aid her, which backfired on her immensely for many reasons. Does it mean she's weaker, not necessarily but she certainly isn't stronger from evidence, and even if she were weaker of the two, it would only be a small gap in power considering their feats. Also, comic shows Luna struggling to move the the closest star when Celestia was absent. Through that and others, I do not believe Luna can move stars across the celestial plains other than the closest one to her.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Nuke87654

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Eer she didn't try that herself either. For that matter why did the elements not purify Luna from her evil in the first place? The second... understandable.

 

IDK, maybe the Elements like multiple wielders?

 

 

You mean she manipulated them? All i can think is... "The bitch..."  Quite ironic when the supposed "hero" does that right?

True, but Batman has done this crap a lot too. She's being pragmatic

 

 

OH COME ON! She gave a frankly HUUUUUGE exposition about King Sombra and how he returned and stuff! "A unicorn with a heart as black as the night." She KNEW him! This CANNOT be denied!

Nope, she was talking about Sombra because he is the biggest part of the Empire's history and she says so herself that her knowledge on the empire is limited. Shining Armor and Cadence sure didn't know about it, since they only "Thought" that is was Sombra

 

 

Well at least she TRIED to kill the hero! All the others just did nothing... pfff is Chrysalis had the guts to do that none of these would have happened. Celestia dead, Cadence Dead, Twilight and the mane 6 dead... no escape. There is particularly one comic where she monologues "Why didn't i kill them? I should have killed them."

 

Actually, she'd have been screwed if she killed them. Sombra would come back and without anyone to stop him, he'd corrupt the rest of Equestria. As Celestia says, the state of the Crystal Empire reflects upon Equestria

 

 

Maybe but the guards of Canterlot had time to practice... not like they weren't warned. Also we don't know how long the peace was or is... maybe Equestria isn't in an immediate war in her capitol, maybe it was simply a few years... it is unknown and you can't claim that war equals villains. If that is so still in the villains case the only case where the guards actually did something was in the vines... and not even then really... whatever. 

Not enough info here to say anything

 

 

True... their intelligence levels are currently unknown. Eeeh you can't talk about ant intelligence especially when you are subconsciously comparing their intelligence to yours. Plus an ant Queen hardly goes outside her lair to do anything. Also i hardly believe some insect-eqsue sounds and appearance are enough to make me believe that Chrysalis is an insect. For that matter Hasbro has defined changelings as "Grotesque ponies" PONIES. 

I wasn't comparing them to ants, I was just saying that you can have a rank system and still be unintelligent

 

 

No that was an offensive magic blast specifically targeted for changelings. Look let me tell you this in other words. In order to handle/control/contain and energy source you need to be as powerful or even more so than the foreign power. Or likely exert some strength of your own to reach those levels. The energy sent out was like a wave... when what Chrysalis did with Shining Armor was like drinking water from a well... 

Changeling biology is a pain to understand, but yeah, I get your point. Being blasted with a firehose isn't fun, even if you can drink water

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Um.... If she was in love with Sombra then why did she send Twilight and her friends to the Crystal Empire to defeat him? She was probably on her period or something.

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I doubt it. She looked fine while she was talking with Twilight 

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I doubt it. She looked fine while she was talking with Twilight 

You never knooooow women (like me ) are experts at hiding. You never know. XD

[Hive King 2,001]

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How about the fact that horse estrus is based on the Sun and that Celestia can control the Sun? 

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How about the fact that horse estrus is based on the Sun and that Celestia can control the Sun? 

Eh i dunno. I'm still weirded out by the fact that the fandom ships Celestia and Sombra. You know what? Never mind XD

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Because if she was confident enough to beat Celestia on her own she would've done it instead of enlisting Nightmare to aid her, which backfired on her immensely for many reasons.

Eh confidence has nothing to do with power. though as you said she definitely wasn't more powerful. It's just that... well she could be if she tried. She could best her by other ways than power.

 

lso, comic shows Luna struggling to move the the closest star when Celestia was absent, through that and others I do not believe Luna can move stars across the celestial plains other than the closest one to her.

As i said... the sun is considered a star. Thus if she could remotely move the closest star to her then she'd be able to move a star that is thousands of times closer to her.

 

Actually, she'd have been screwed if she killed them. Sombra would come back and without anyone to stop him, he'd corrupt the rest of Equestria. As Celestia says, the state of the Crystal Empire reflects upon Equestria

Eh let's see... Sombra got defeated by two Alicorns. So if Chrysalis could overpower one Alicorn with one stallion to love-suck then if she tried with two she would defeat him... Still it is unknown. If we see it as power-play i think Chrysalis would win... no proof to do so since we can't test it but... it is most likely.

 

True, but Batman has done this crap a lot too. She's being pragmatic

Like Mantorok is? Yeaaaaaaaaaa i don't think your idea of "Pragmatic" is correct. Still that's not the way of a "Lawful Good" hero that Celestia seems to be. That is what Discord would do as we can see in his latest appearances. 

About the rest... well we seem to have reach a point of agreement so no point in continuing. As an ancient Greek says "I know one thing, that i know ((next to)) nothing!"
 

How about the fact that horse estrus is based on the Sun and that Celestia can control the Sun? 

What are you even yammering on about? How could her biology be affected by the Sun? You don't know that...

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Eh confidence has nothing to do with power. though as you said she definitely wasn't more powerful. It's just that... well she could be if she tried. She could best her by other ways than power.

 

As i said... the sun is considered a star. Thus if she could remotely move the closest star to her then she'd be able to move a star that is thousands of times closer to her.

 

 

She can, but in a straight up fight, the fact she used Nightmare to amp her power up would suggest that she wasn't confident enough to defeat Celestia on her own.

 

It is, but until I see her moving entire stars across entire celestial plains, I only see that statement as simply a metaphor for her control of the night.