Yes, indeed. I do agree.

I agree we don't need war. But the title was making me cringe.

You say Trump was associated with KKK, but how much? You need sources for your claims. And there is a pic of Hillary hugging some ex-KKK guy too. So I am not sure how much he truly is associated with the KKK so everything you say, without much evidence it can't really change the mind of someone who is aware of inaccuracies mistakes and propaganda. I think any candidate would fall though because its the kind of people who tend to be attracted to that position. Also I think Hillary lost because everyone assumed she would win, so less people voted. Also wasn't Nixon an actor before? Trump just played his cards right and people are right when they say the presidency is a popularity contest. It doesn't get whom is most qualified, it gets whom is in the spotlight the most.

In reality it should be a double-blind position, but if that happened people would exploit the system from candidate swapping. And there are images to some polls that say Hillary had a 99% chance of winning. Polls are notoriously easy to corrupt at every aspect of interaction to how they occur in the environment.

I agree there needs to be a stop to the violence, but wasn't there some billionaire hiring antifa, and he did this stuff to other countries too? He is using the PC movement for financial gain. Also its kind of ironic the 'pc' movement is being violent which is not pc.

Also to be fair this is exactly like the Iron Will episode with Fluttershy. Empowerment feels good, provides a moral high ground. Sun Tzu said the moral high ground is needed for long term conquests for the support of the masses, and so the warriors have their hearts in it. Ancient cultures always claimed the moral high ground often calling other cultures they exterminated evil for various reasons, but the true motive from those causing these assumptions to the masses, was gain. Gain can be selfish, or it can be for the good of a group. Consequence is what determines such a thing, long term consequence. If people could not execute these plots, then this would not be a problem. Because it is and can and has been or being executed, it can be predicted and countered. So there is no excuse to say we are confused and leave it at that, or to let our emotions control us. Empowerment is the same as allowing yourself to be used from a feel-good emotional response. Its inciting rebellion is what it is.

Also the reason why people do not have dialogue, is because they do not accept that they could be wrong, they are not trying to understand others. They are just trying to assert their stance, which is why the right calls the left 'ideologue's. Because they simply are seeking validation for their stance and agreement, rather than proper discussion. Self aware discussion should have both sides ready to admit they may entirely be wrong at a moments notice if severe enough evidence contrary to their position presents itself. Identifying as something, comes at a cost, for both the right and left.

The cost it takes to maintain your identity is at the expense of truth. This means ignoring contrary information, due to the lens you perceive things through. That is the real problem with society, and the cause of this moral high ground which is essential for battle. People need to be more humble, and less absolute.

3 hours ago, CuriUndersXeno said:

You say Trump was associated with KKK, but how much? You need sources for your claims. And there is a pic of Hillary hugging some ex-KKK guy too. So I am not sure how much he truly is associated with the KKK so everything you say, without much evidence it can't really change the mind of someone who is aware of inaccuracies mistakes and propaganda. I think any candidate would fall though because its the kind of people who tend to be attracted to that position. Also I think Hillary lost because everyone assumed she would win, so less people voted. Also wasn't Nixon an actor before? Trump just played his cards right and people are right when they say the presidency is a popularity contest. It doesn't get whom is most qualified, it gets whom is in the spotlight the most 

You are talking about my "guilt by association" argument :). You really do not need to look far for those examples

https://www.google.is/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/01/politics/donald-trump-kkk-crusader-support/index.html

I never claimed that Trump was actually in league with the KKK, I believe that was a misunderstanding on your part. I'm sure you know what the term "guilt by association" means? 

It is a very common fallacy, that is used in arguments often. "Because Joe said he liked hamburgers and the head duke of the KKK said the same, Joe must be a KKK". Hamburgers in this case have been associated with the KKK and anybody who likes it, supports them. 

This is the "guilt by association fallacy". 

Because political extremists threw in their support to either Hillary or Trump, they were associated with these groups through "guilt by association".

'Because these groups choose to endorse this candidate, he must be deeply associated with them'.

There were many reasons as to why Clinton lost. As to an actor, I believe you are talking about Reagan ;).

3 hours ago, CuriUndersXeno said:

I agree there needs to be a stop to the violence, but wasn't there some billionaire hiring antifa, and he did this stuff to other countries too? He is using the PC movement for financial gain. Also its kind of ironic the 'pc' movement is being violent which is not pc.

You are talking about George Soros. I have heard that narrative often and the more I hear it without any concrete proof, the less I am willing to believe it. Soros has also been accused by people like Infowars of inciting unrest and protests here in Iceland. I don't see what he would gain

3 hours ago, CuriUndersXeno said:

So there is no excuse to say we are confused and leave it at that, or to let our emotions control us.

But it is not being left there, is it? No excuse has been given at all in this blog, but rather, explenation. With explenation, people will be able to handle situations the right way better. This is a call for ending political violence

3 hours ago, CuriUndersXeno said:

Also the reason why people do not have dialogue, is because they do not accept that they could be wrong, they are not trying to understand others. They are just trying to assert their stance, which is why the right calls the left 'ideologue's. Because they simply are seeking validation for their stance and agreement, rather than proper discussion. Self aware discussion should have both sides ready to admit they may entirely be wrong at a moments notice if severe enough evidence contrary to their position presents itself. Identifying as something, comes at a cost, for both the right and left.

Does not mean at all that a dialogue should not be pursued

3 hours ago, Nerdy Luigi said:

I agree we don't need war. But the title was making me cringe.

This is not about war, unless you are possibly referring to a war of ideologies?

Pay no heed to the title. Judge not the book by it's cover

13 minutes ago, JonasDarkmane said:

This is not about war, unless you are possibly referring to a war of ideologies?

Pay no heed to the title. Judge not the book by it's cover

 I didn't really look at it too much... Nonetheless, it would be better if people like myself could find common ground with the right. The key word, though, is could...

I'm used to the title referring to a certain group of people I vehemently disagree with -_-

Just now, Nerdy Luigi said:

 I didn't really look at it too much... Nonetheless, it would be better if people like myself could find common ground with the right. The key word, though, is could...

I'm used to the title referring to a certain group of people I vehemently disagree with -_-

I would hope that could come to pass as well

And I know, I have seen some of your posts in those threads. It was a cheesy title that me and my sister came up with as to try contradict "street fighting"

I've been saying for years that the progressive social justice types are the ones that are creating their own boogeymen. The PC culture that suppressed peoples legitimate concerns and opinions on things such as immigration and race relations are what gave rise to Trump. The demonization of whites on the internet and on college campuses are what fueled the growth of the alt right.

Social Justice IDpol ---> Alt-Right White IDpol

Antifa and leftist political violence ---> Sturmabteilung (coming soon)

4 hours ago, Twiggy said:

I've been saying for years that the progressive social justice types are the ones that are creating their own boogeymen. The PC culture that suppressed peoples legitimate concerns and opinions on things such as immigration and race relations are what gave rise to Trump. The demonization of whites on the internet and on college campuses are what fueled the growth of the alt right.

Social Justice IDpol ---> Alt-Right White IDpol

Antifa and leftist political violence ---> Sturmabteilung (coming soon)

One form of extremism gives rise to another

It's interesting that you mentioned how alot of people where distancing themselves from the left after Trumps victory, because of the protests and the violence that happend after the election was over and also when his inaugiration happend. I am actually kinda in the same boat here, because i am incredibly shocked that people apparently have, whenever they like the decision or not, don't have the decency to accept what the people have chosen.and they can't understand they damage their cause even more.

We live in a very dangerous time right now indeed where we really need to watch what we say. As a german, who lives in a country with alot of turkish migrants, i need to be cautious talking about and criticizing Erdogan. There already have been some cases of turks beating up germans for different views. It's the same with the american people and being pro trump, because you never know where you might end up. I want to live peacefully and want to talk politics peacefully, without getting beatin up because my viewpoint is different.

We need to communicate better. Lefts and Rights should work together instead of fighting each other.

And BTW, thanks for the nice WW1 comparision. the soldiers of our emperor really screwed up.

On 4/26/2017 at 1:23 AM, Mesme Rize said:

We need to communicate better. Lefts and Rights should work together instead of fighting each other.

 

And BTW, thanks for the nice WW1 comparision. the soldiers of our emperor really screwed up.

Indeed we do! 

And what can you expect when you are pretty much the only one left in the Central Powers still fighting against everybody else (minus Russia)?  

Agreed. Violence enacted for political motivation is terrorism; plain and simple. And yes, the extremism has to die down. Coming from a place with negligible ideological division (it's all partisan politics over here), the contrast cannot be more clear.