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What classifies something as a duet episode?
Whatevs replied to Whatevs's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
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What classifies something as a duet episode?
Whatevs replied to Whatevs's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
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What classifies something as a duet episode?
Whatevs replied to Whatevs's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
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A question I find myself asking after arguing over it. My opponent said both characters have to learn the lesson, then I pointed out episodes like HF and FPK are often considered duets despite only one character learning something. And that some focus episodes don't have the central character learn the lesson like ADaPS. Generally he was a slippery foe who kept changing his story throughout so I won't dwell on him. I consider an episode to be duet if it is about both characters. Regardless of screen time or any other factor. It has to be about both of them meaning one can't be interchangeable or just there to support the other. So Fill Vanilli is not a duet episode despite Rarity 's large role as she just supported Flutters. SW is a duet because the episode, although more about Rarity, is still about AJ too. As she is a part of the love triangle, has her own thing she's trying to do, resolves the conflict and influences Rarity's behavior (them switching roles is only significant because it is AJ x Rarity). What are your criteria?
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Dithering on Simple Ways: unnoticed aspects, kinda sorta review on how Rarity is portrayed
Whatevs commented on Whatevs's blog entry in Whatevs' Thoughts
Reinvention is not fake. Fake would mean these reinventions are not genuine expressions of her personality. And I mostly dislike how far it went. -
Dithering on Simple Ways: unnoticed aspects, kinda sorta review on how Rarity is portrayed
Whatevs commented on Whatevs's blog entry in Whatevs' Thoughts
Looking back I need to structure these better. It has been a while since essay writing has been a part of my life and I have grown sloppy -
This is an episode I go back and forth on. Be warned, this is off the cuff. But, as always leave any thoughts below. Getting right into the episode, on the one hand I disliked the way Rarity is portrayed. She was largely just a fangirl chasing a Trend...erhoof. This being a slight problem as Faust said in her rebuttal to Ms. Magazine,Rarity was always meant to be someone who makes her own way with fashion rather than aping trends. And in many ways this is in the same spirit as that. To me this was a far cry from the Rarity of Best Night Ever, who did fangirl over Blueblood but did so with (relative) restraint. This time around Rarity had to carry the idiot ball. This is my issue, generally speaking. I had a hard time looking past this. On the other I at least understand the episode had a deliberately unserious tone. The beginning has that other group of contestants wearing absurd outfits, Pinkie Pie getting a big head, Rarity getting roses for simply being chosen as if it were an Academy Award, the awkward scene with Trend staring at AJ, his bad limericks, Rarity's cowgirl get up and AJ laughing at Rarity going full on hick. But let us talk about other pitfalls and potential pitfalls and tie this all around as well as talk about some overlooked aspects to the episode. My biggest obstacle to liking the episode was my belief that Rarity was motivated by jealousy and as a result was stealing Trenderhoof from AJ (as she would not have known AJ did not care). Naturally this would be vastly uncharacteristic of the Rarity from Green Isn't Your Color. However, I now believe this to be an erroneous concern. There really is nothing to suggest Rarity thought AJ liked Trenderhoof, in fact the episode functions as if she did not. She shows up when AJ tries to get rid of Trenderhoof and she is not at all surprised whenever AJ tries to distance herself from Trenderhoof. And while she does later think AJ is trying to be with Trenderhoof, she uses the term "steal" which to me suggests Rarity mistakenly believed AJ wanted him for herself despite not loving him sincerely. But ultimately the fact that is AJ's lack of affection for Trenderhoof is never questioned by Rarity (which one would think she would be surprised by if she were trying to steal him away) so I do not believe we as the audience are supposed to believe she was trying to steal Trenderhoof from AJ. A large bone of contention for many people with this episode was the idea that Rarity had latent disdain for AJ which was reflected by her hick impression. This is a valid concern, but again I believe Rarihick was put in purely for comedic purposes. In fact at the beginning Rarity tells Trenderhoof that Sweet Apple Acres is the core of Ponyville, and at the end she remarks that AJ looks great and was a great friend to her. So I do not believe Rarity has any real disdain for AJ. And Trade Ya agrees. So I do like a lot about the way Rarity is portrayed. She was not being invidious in any way. One aspect of this episode that I do not see talked about is how this episode does emphasize Rarity's generosity, even if it was misdirected. After all, what does it say about her devotion if she was willing to change for Trenderhoof? The answer is it says a lot. But it is not without its problems as well. Namely this makes Rarity seem insincere (because she was being insincere even if she sincerely cared about pleasing Trenderhoof). And, there really is no good answer for that. One could point out that her change of heart at the end was brought about suddenly by a fairly mundane thing indicates that her true self would show through without much provocation (another reason I doubt this episode was meant to be taken seriously in any way). But even so it does get into the main issue with the episode. Rarity was not Rarity. As a character Rarity's best qualities are not her generosity or class (especially not the latter as this is a cartoon) but it is her sincerity in being who she is. This is not to say that Rarity is super-independent-woman-who-dont-care-what-you-think, as a generous and tactful lady does care what other people think, but she does not debase herself like this. I understand the idea that Rarity had been crushed by this but even so, the primary reason the episode took the route it did was for comedy in my estimation. Rarity's dramatics have nearly always been done more as a comedic character trait rather than genuine heartbreak. Even when something serious does cause these responses, Tabitha goes so over the top with her performances to take them as anything more than cartoony exuberance. So to base a large part of an episode around a breakdown could only seem comical to me. Perhaps this is wrong on my part. Had the episode primarily dealt with the idea that Rarity had been emotionally crushed and felt the need to change who she was for Trenderhoof, it could have been a very interesting look at Rarity's character but I suspect it would have had a more sympathetic tone rather than a comical one. This is where the idiot balling came in, in my opinion. However, this has always been a convention which has dogged Rarity's footsteps as a character. She often has the positive qualities of her character subverted for humor. Season 4 did a good job avoiding this which is why I believe her popularity rose this season by so much and this episode only erred a little. Rarity was acting like a goofball but she was not being mean in any way. Had she been it would have been a real step backwards. Hopefully Season 5 will understand that Rarity doesn't need to stretched and twisted to fit an episode or scene. She is a naturally funny character, and a naturally engaging character. An episode about her whining was a big hit after all, and her focus episode are still all extremely good. Let Rarity be Rarity. Ultimately, I have to come down on the negative side of this episode but I can understand liking the episode's humor. It ultimately just did not land for me.
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Dithering on Simple Ways: unnoticed aspects, kinda sorta review on how Rarity is portrayed
Whatevs commented on Whatevs's blog entry in Whatevs' Thoughts
It doesn't offend me. It is less of a review and more things that I think are often ignored. I did not make that clear. However, changes have been made with your points in mind. -
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New blog. Nothing too important but it is something. It is on Simple Ways. Kindly critique for me before I post it elsewhere oh and the snuggling thing is because she has snuggled before in the show and is affectionate in that manner with other ponies. Particularly twi as they have a bromance thing going from time to time...kinda like this except less so. http://i.imgur.com/w9NxJOR.jpg ^ how do I embed?
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Dithering on Simple Ways: unnoticed aspects, kinda sorta review on how Rarity is portrayed
Whatevs commented on Whatevs's blog entry in Whatevs' Thoughts
I wrote this while tipsy. Kindly point out any poorly constructed sentences or errors for me. -
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My people! I have need of your assistance! I cannot do this alone!. I need examples of the following. Specific ones. Rarity being directly supportive of her friends (things like singing for Twi in CE or helping Shy in Filli Vanilli) And also Rarity being cute, which in her case (imo) is when her inner child sort of bubbles up (in a good way). Any help would be appreciated.
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I understand misgivings about the moral, but I don't think it will confuse kids. And here is why: if a kid interprets it as "whining will get you what you want" then that kid probably already knows that. Whining to get your way is something kids learn pretty much naturally (since crying to get their way is what they start off doing) and they would only keep it up at this point if their parents failed to discourage it.
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I've often wondered this. Let's get the bad right out of the way, people were put off that the Element of Generosity would often be selfish for jokes. Making times when she was not perfectly generous for conflicts seem like "business as usual." This is the big one imo. But also it is simply the fact that she's the fashion girl. People didn't like her (or expected to dislike her) from episode 1. Despite the fact that she was incredibly pleasant. This, paired with her lack of episodes outside of arguing with AJ, for the first half of the season made people have little patience for her. It's sort of a generated cycle that hasn't been fully broken, but Season 4 did a good job. This occurred to me (in this really simple form) after watching shows with similar female characters (rich, upper crust, girly) who are objectively meaner (like Eri from School Rumble who is genuinely stuckup a lot of the time, but has her redeeming qualities) but are still beloved by the fans (like Eri again) who would crucify you for talking ill of them. Another factor is probably Spike. Eri's relationship with Harima endeared her to the audience, whereas another tsundere named Asuka's relationship with Shinji probably did not. Rarity's relationship with Spike is puppy love that will not be acknowledged significantly for a while due to the status quo nature of the show. And there are smaller reasons but these stand out to me.
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The Smile Song was not as bad.But I don't think one I AM song would change the overall pattern, she does not feel the need to take credit for her generosity. And the song was less "I am so damn generous", as only two lines have that vibe, and more about the way she deals with and views the world. So it also gets a pass for simply being descriptive.
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Impressive. I am arguing with Byter over this, and I have pointed out how he is taking one line that vaguely asserts ponies will repay generosity... some time (she even says "never know when") and then saying Rarity "clearly" feels entitled to the rewards. So I am pointing out how her belief in reciprocation is simply too vague and open ended to make that claim. Similar to yours. Moreover, the song itself is actually fairly clear that Rarity's generosity is simply how she deals with strangers (this is how I play my cards, I'm not about to fold). I also pointed out that whenever Rarity benefited from someone repaying her generosity, she turned around and was immediately generous back to them like with the bellhop (or used the proceeds to be generous with another in the case of the play tickets). Now one could argue that she was simply "trying to get more favors" as he has but I would argue that is raising the bar.