movies/tv Star Trek Renegades TV Movie

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

Alright guys so it's been 9 years since Star Trek Enterprise's cancellation and we might see Star Trek return to television pretty soon! The J.J. Abrams movies, while they are fun and entertaining action movies aren't very Star Trek movies and really aren't enough for us. But hey we MIGHT be in luck! A crowd-sourced TV movie directed by Tim Russ (who played Tuvok from Voyager) called Star Trek Renegades is being submitted as a pilot for a new Star Trek TV series. So how does it look?...Well...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZPbX2x3Ug

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgRJWBB12GA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyOBA8XWA5E

 

I'm going to be honest here I can't say I'm really looking forward to this, in fact this is kind of making me nervous.

 

1. They're making Star Trek Dark and Gritty. Okay I heard Deep Space 9 was darker than the other Star Trek shows but not to this extent. From what I heard that series was focused on world building and character development and this...this looks like a typical Nolan movie and it doesn't really scream "Star Trek" (I've been seeing a lot of comparisons to Battlestar Galactica 2005). Isn't this kind of missing the point of Star Trek, to see a better and brighter future for humanity?

 

2. The Captain being a descendant of Kahn. Okay this looks like it's messing with canon, when exactly did Kahn have a kid? Also if Kahn did have a kid wouldn't that have kept him sane? Wouldn't he have had that child close to him at all times? Wouldn't have that prevented the events of Wrath of Kahn? Also if I saw that right she's also a Federation genetic experiment. Isn't that a Federation taboo?

 

I'm willing to give it a shot but to me it's not looking good. Your thoughts?

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

The trailers do look rather BSG-ey. But who knows about the dark. I mean, originally batman was just supposed to be a light hearted crime fighter who instilled good morals in children, he didn't adopt the whole "dark night" thing until much later in his existence. They may be able to pull off a darker tone as it is enterprise, and not next generation or the original crew.

 

And depending on timeline (or which timeline they follow thanks to the lens flair Chronicles) Khan could have children as his people were genetic experiments that eventually became to efficient and better than humanity, and ruled it in massive empires. This is was caused the war that led to the eventual formation of the UEG and the Federation at large. So depending on time line (as original time line khan was banished far to in the past to have had children that were on the original enterprise) or the newer Lens Flair Chronicles time line.

[Simon 4,557]

I'm staying hopeful because I love Star Trek so much, but I have to agree that I don't really like the route they seem to be taking that much.

 

I really don't get the obsession with changing what Star Trek is at its core.  I mean there were four hugely successful televisions series that are some of the most iconic television series in history and spawned one of the most dedicated and largest fandoms we've ever seen, and yet everything after Voyager and DS9's end seemed focused on changing the feel of Star Trek.
 

First we had Enterprise which premiered less than a year after Voyager ended and completely misunderstood what Star Trek was about.  It thought that the fans watched the show for big complicated story archs and plot twists, but we just didn't.  All the other series were pretty simple concepts... people are in space and trying to explore and understand the galaxy while trying to maintain relations.  Enterprise just completely missed the mark and was poorly conceived and executed.

 

Then we have the new movies which are great action movies with fun plots and everything, but they're not Star Trek.  Again, they miss the mark by focusing so much on crazy plots that they don't focus on what we want to see which is them building up this fantastic universe where humanity still has problems and challenges, but has found a set of core principles that were able to transition it into a better age.

 

And now we have Renegades which like you said seems to be very dark and action oriented much like the new movies... I could be wrong about it, but I don't think it's going to have the feel of TOS/TNG/VOY/DS9 at all... 

 

It really bugs me a lot though... the other series were far more focused on ethical conflicts than action, and it seems like just because it's in space, the people creating these shows and movies think it has to be call of duty and just piles and piles of action, sex, and violence.  

 

Hopefully someday someone will sit down, watch the first four series, and realize why the show was successful.

[null1 606]

I loved DS9, Voyager got better as the series progressed, watching Enterprise right now.

 

Renegades is coming off as rather a try-hard project by a few old, typecast actors with other actors desperate for money. It kinda beats watching JJ Abrams have his way with Trek, but it really isn't that good. I'd rather just see a new generation series be made with a new Enterprise, something similar to the gap between TOS and TNG.

Edited July 22, 2014 by DeltaTangent

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

 

...This is looking less and less impressive. Assassination missions, really? This really going over the top in trying to be "dark and gritty" I wasn't even fond of the idea in Star Trek Into Darkness!

 

And can someone fill me in on this? Where exactly does it say in the Prime Directive that the Federation cannot defend themselves against a power that's blowing up their planets?!

[Twilight Dirac 721]

A crowd-sourced TV movie directed by Tim Russ (who played Tuvok from Voyager) called Star Trek Renegades is being submitted as a pilot for a new Star Trek TV series.

 

Oh boy.  I have seen these attempts made with two other series I enjoy, Stargate:SG-1 and Firefly, and the results were less than stellar.  They also didn't bring back the associated series (not that I see anyway that they could have).

 

 

 

1. They're making Star Trek Dark and Gritty. Okay I heard Deep Space 9 was darker than the other Star Trek shows but not to this extent. From what I heard that series was focused on world building and character development and this...this looks like a typical Nolan movie and it doesn't really scream "Star Trek" (I've been seeing a lot of comparisons to Battlestar Galactica 2005). Isn't this kind of missing the point of Star Trek, to see a better and brighter future for humanity?

 

Not a good sign.  I never understood what darker and grittier was supposed to do for a series as it is not an end in and of itself.  Deep Space 9 was considered darker than the other Trek series but that was for a reason, the series centered around an evolving war plot, and war is by its very nature dark and gritty.  It wasn't done just to be cool.  That series also had strong continuity, so if something bad happened in one episode, it got carried over to the next, unlike Voyager where the whole ship could get trashed in one episode and be absolutely fine the next, despite being thousands of lightyears away from the Federation and needing to barter for supplies.  Such continuity gave the appearance of a darker and grittier setting, but was in fact just writers who actually remembered what they wrote the previous episode.  Then there is Stargate Universe, a darker and grittier "just because" Stargate series that promptly flopped.

 

 

 

2. The Captain being a descendant of Kahn. Okay this looks like it's messing with canon, when exactly did Kahn have a kid? Also if Kahn did have a kid wouldn't that have kept him sane? Wouldn't he have had that child close to him at all times? Wouldn't have that prevented the events of Wrath of Kahn? Also if I saw that right she's also a Federation genetic experiment. Isn't that a Federation taboo?

 

Another major mistake.  I wish Star Trek writers would stop trying to use Khan to boost their plot's appeal.  Wrath of Khan was done perfectly, it doesn't need any re-imagining and neither does the character of Khan.  Star Trek writers need to stop attempting to ride this movies coattails.  I felt Nemesis was trying to be another Wrath of Khan and it utterly failed because of this and other mistakes.  Into Darkness actually went one step further and used Khan himself as the villain instead of some crappy Picard clone, and while the movie was better than Nemesis Khan could have been swapped with virtually any other generic villain and it would not have mattered in the slightest.  

Edited August 8, 2014 by Twilight Dirac

[CheeryFox 23,822]

Tim Russ stated that this will be nothing like the previous ST series. And I quite dig this new direction he's taken, yea. I hope CBS realizes what potential this has. I'm not going to get too excited about this project - because a darker feel to Star Trek won't help a possible tawdry script. People cried about Voyager since it went the dark route and had a lot of sci-fi technical mumbo jumbo in its writing. UPN execs sure loved it though, given those ratings gains. 

 

To me, Voyager will always be love.