I highly dislike Cadance. Who feels the same way?

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

1) That doesn't make them useless. They rise moon and sun. They are strong enough to deal with most troubles where Cadance would just sit, sing and cry.

2)That's right. She's weaker than Celestria and Luna, and weaker than Twilight. The weakest alicorn. Even Shining, a unicorn, is stronger. She is useless.

3)Simple. If she wouldn't have arrived, Discord wouldn't ask Twilight and her to go there and find that flower, or whatever. Thus, no fight would happen. But she was too bored and that put her sister-in-law into danger. Heck, she's responsible for Twilight's near death. I'd charge her for attempted murder, if I was Celestia.

 

You've got to be trolling. You're speaking complete gibberish.

 

1) Cadance attacked a Tatzlwurn head on and held up a shield to protect the Crystal empire for days by herself.

2) I don't get why you say Shining is stronger. He was brainwashed by Chrysalis and was only able to raise the shield again after Cadance powered him back up.

3) I can't believe I actually have to spell out the holes in this logic, but here goes... Cadance was coming to hang out with her sister in law and Discord tricked them into going to the ends of Equestria to "test" Twilight. Cadance did sort of enjoy the rush after the fact, but the entire trip was Discord's idea in the first place. And NONE of them knew the Tatzlwurm was there. Discord had no intention of them facing actual danger. He just wanted to harass them. But since they wouldn't have been there in the first place if it weren't for him, he's the closest one to being at "fault" here. Cadance being charged for "attempted murder" is beyond ridiculous.

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

-You have leniency towards Celestia for being defeated by Chrysalis yet you say it's a flaw that Cadence lost to her.

-Uh... Someone who's beat up is going to be weak, thus unable to do well physically. Also, using what you said, you should be criticizing Celestia for not constantly going after Chrysalis after she was defeated because "even a rat in the corner fight" so Celestia is also worse than a rat.

-Again, she was blocking off King Sombra instead of minions. Also, she was the only one capable of creating the shield at the time (and was blocking off Sombra longer than Shining was blocking off Changelings). Shining couldn't do it, Twilight couldn't do it, Celestia and Luna stayed in Canterlot.

 

I sense a double standard towards Cadence. You excuse others' weaknesses while you call Cadence useless for having her own.

-I'm saying that it's a flaw that Cadance did nothing to free herself, and only with Twilight's help she was freed. And even during that, she was only singing and crying.

-Celestia honestly fought with Chrysalis. She did what she has to be done, as ponies' protector. She lost only because Chrysalis was playing dirty. Cadance did nothing.

-Celestia and Luna were sure that Cadance would handle it, with Shining. They believe in this pathetic excuse of an alicorn. Besides, Shining could do that, but his horn was damaged. Twilight was too busy, looking for the Heart. 

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

That's not true at all. Democratic governments run by vote.

In the U.S. at least, it's rare for the elected leaders to be related to each other.

So your "proof" for why rulers need to be related to previous rulers is flimsy.

 

Anyway, Cadance was also taken in an taught by Celestia.

So what's your point?

first I'm talking about absolute monarchies not Democracies, and second, you have no proof of her being taught be Celestia, I don't remember her ever saying she was taught by Celestia.

 

But Monarchies were Royal Families, if anyone could just be ruler then it isn't a Monarchy! Well it can be a monarchy but it would probably be very unstable...

 

Also don't you dare say that they are Constitutional Monarchies because it is clearly an absolute monarchy, also why aren't Celestia and Luna queens?

Sorry off topic... where was I, oh yeah.

 

She may not have to be related , you are right there, I guess. But she is still not fit to run a country! Her husband does not have any training as a ruler (sorry OT again but is Shining Armor an Emperor now?)  and I doubt she does also! I want to see her do something a ruler would do, like make a law or... I don't know build an army so she can become a real empress... I doubt they will do the ladder but Still, She doesn't seem to do anything but spread love and love does not keep a nation alive!

 

Also that shield will not last forever! So she will not be able to defend her little city-state with that! If it wasn't for the mane 6 it would probably be the Crystal Empire of Sombra... or something like that by now!!

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

You've got to be trolling. You're speaking complete gibberish.

 

1) Cadance attacked a Tatzlwurn head on and held up a shield to protect the Crystal empire for days by herself.

2) I don't get why you say Shining is stronger. He was brainwashed by Chrysalis and was only able to raise the shield again after Cadance powered him back up.

3) I can't believe I actually have to spell out the holes in this logic, but here goes... Cadance was coming to hang out with her sister in law and Discord tricked them into going to the ends of Equestria to "test" Twilight. Cadance did sort of enjoy the rush after the fact, but the entire trip was Discord's idea in the first place. And NONE of them knew the Tatzlwurm was there. Discord had no intention of them facing actual danger. He just wanted to harass them. But since they wouldn't have been there in the first place if it weren't for him, he's the closest one to being at "fault" here. Cadance being charged for "attempted murder" is beyond ridiculous.

I'm saying that if she wouldn't arrive, non of it would have happened. Just because she was bored enough, to put Twilight into danger like this, it happened. And yes, it's a crime. Federal crime, if I'm not mistaken. Well, non-intentional murder attempt at best.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,015]

-I'm saying that it's a flaw that Cadance did nothing to free herself, and only with Twilight's help she was freed. And even during that, she was only singing and crying.

-Celestia honestly fought with Chrysalis. She did what she has to be done, as ponies' protector. She lost only because Chrysalis was playing dirty. Cadance did nothing.

-Celestia and Luna were sure that Cadance would handle it, with Shining. They believe in this pathetic excuse of an alicorn. Besides, Shining could do that, but his horn was damaged. Twilight was too busy, looking for the Heart. 

-We can assume Chrysalis played dirty when dealing with Cadence. When Cadence was captured, there was probably no time to react much like when Twilight descended. Difference being that we can assume Chrysalis did more harm to Cadence considering her state in the cave.

-You just admitted Cadence is useful.

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

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Monarchy or Democracy, it doesn't matter. Being blood related to a ruler doesn't make you a good ruler.

You said it did. It doesn't.

 

It's in the extended material. Cadance ascended to alicorn status and Celestia took her in. That's why she's her "neice".

She's shown living with Celestia as a teenager in the comics. I'm sure she picked up a thing or two about ruling.

And we see her having a political conference with dignitaries along with Celestia and Luna in the season four finale.

 

 

I'm saying that if she wouldn't arrive, non of it would have happened. Just because she was bored enough, to put Twilight into danger like this, it happened. And yes, it's a crime. Federal crime, if I'm not mistaken. Well, non-intentional murder attempt at best.

 

Again, massive lapse in logic. You're saying if I went to visit a relative and some jerk (Discord) tricked us into a situation that turned out to be dangerous, the I'M the one responsible because I went to visit my relative. NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER.

Edited March 21, 2015 by ShadOBabe

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

-We can assume Chrysalis played dirty when dealing with Cadence. When Cadence was captured, there was probably no time to react much like when Twilight descended. Difference being that we can assume Chrysalis did more harm to Cadence considering her state in the cave.

-You just admitted Cadence is useful.

-We know nothing about how Cadance was captured, so no need to talk about that. I'm saying that she did nothing to at least try to leave that place. And don't tell me she couldn't -- with Twilight's help they were freed pretty fast.

-I admitted that Celestia and Luna thought she's useful. Turns out, they were wrong.

Again, massive lapse in logic. You're saying if I went to visit a relative and some jerk (Discord) tricked us into a situation that turned out to be dangerous, the I'M the one responsible because I went to visit my relative. NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER.

I'm saying that she's responsible for putting Twilight in danger, just like Discord, who sent them there. But it all started with Cadance.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,015]

-We know nothing about how Cadance was captured, so no need to talk about that. I'm saying that she did nothing to at least try to leave that place. And don't tell me she couldn't -- with Twilight's help they were freed pretty fast.

-I admitted that Celestia and Luna thought she's useful. Turns out, they were wrong.

-We know nothing about how long Cadence was there and whether she already tried to escape. Twilight was not injured in any way whereas Cadence clearly was.

-Shining's horn was broken: can't make shield. Twilight was searching for the heart: can't make shield and we don't even know if she's capable to do it. Cadence: only one available who could make the shield. Therefore she is useful.

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

I'm saying that she's responsible for putting Twilight in danger, just like Discord, who sent them there. But it all started with Cadance.

 

So you ARE saying that if I went to visit my relative and a jerk tricked up into a dangerous situation, I'd be responsible.

Zero logic here. You have a very blatant bias that is making you put blame on a character for something they are not to blame for.

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

-We know nothing about how long Cadence was there and whether she already tried to escape. Twilight was not injured in any way whereas Cadence clearly was.

-Shining's horn was broken: can't make shield. Twilight was searching for the heart: can't make shield and we don't even know if she's capable to do it. Cadence: only one available who could make the shield. Therefore she is useful.

-I already gave you an analogy with a rat. Rat fights even while dying. Cadance doesn't. She's worse than a rat.

-Yes, and she failed miserable. If not Twilight, who found the heart, if not Shining who threw her, if not Spike, who was carrying that heart everything would be lost just because she was too weak to hold the line.

So you ARE saying that if I went to visit my relative and a jerk tricked up into a dangerous situation, I'd be responsible.

Zero logic here. You have a very blatant bias that is making you put blame on a character for something they are not to blame for.

She triggered it. She is responsible. Not knowing the law doesn't make you clear before the law, if you commited the crime. She had no idea, what could happen, yeah... but if she could think -- use her pretty, brainless head a little, she would know that Discord wouldn't miss this opportunity. And do something about it. 

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

Monarchy or Democracy, it doesn't matter. Being blood related to a ruler doesn't make you a good ruler.

You said it did. It doesn't.

 

It's in the extended material. Cadance ascended to alicorn status and Celestia took her in. That's why she's her "neice".

She's shown living with Celestia as a teenager in the comics. I'm sure she picked up a thing or two about ruling.

And we see her having a political conference with dignitaries along with Celestia and Luna in the season four finale.

 

 

 

Again, massive lapse in logic. You're saying if I went to visit a relative and some jerk (Discord) tricked us into a situation that turned out to be dangerous, the I'M the one responsible because I went to visit my relative. NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER.

 

Believe what you want, I still wouldn't trust her with an empire.

[LeafFerret 3,382]

I actually like Cadence, she's one of the few decent ponies in the show. I'm also hoping for a Cadence and Shining Armor episode without the mane 6 appearing. The Mane 6 are the ones that I highly dislike.

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

 

 

She triggered it. She is responsible. Not knowing the law doesn't make you clear before the law, if you commited the crime. She had no idea, what could happen, yeah... but if she could think -- use her pretty, brainless head a little, she would know that Discord wouldn't miss this opportunity. And do something about it. 

 

... So if SHE'S supposed to just know this would happen, why did no one else know?

Your bias is so insane it's kind of incredible. Under your logic, Twilight was attempting suicide, because apparently you think it's just common sense that when your friends or family come to visit you, you should prepare for the "inevitable" visit of a reality warping trickster.

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

... So if SHE'S supposed to just know this would happen, why did no one else know?

Your bias is so insane it's kind of incredible. Under your logic, Twilight was attempting suicide, because apparently you think it's just common sense that when your friends or family come to visit you, you should prepare for the "inevitable" visit of a reality warping trickster.

Because she did make a decision to visit Twilight, thus agreeing to take all responsibility on herself. Think about it as a contract or something. She triggered it, she decided to visit Twilight, she knew that Discord is free, she could imagine that he won't stand aside. She took full responsibility for Twilight's safety on herself by going there. She's guilty.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,015]

-I already gave you an analogy with a rat. Rat fights even while dying. Cadance doesn't. She's worse than a rat.

-Yes, and she failed miserable. If not Twilight, who found the heart, if not Shining who threw her, if not Spike, who was carrying that heart everything would be lost just because she was too weak to hold the line.

-So you tolerate Celestia giving up after the direct fight against Chrysalis, but it's unacceptable for Cadence for giving up after abduction and already being physically injured. So giving up after a fight is fine but giving up after having been kidnapped and beaten up is not. Sounds like double standards to me.

-So you also criticize Shining Armor for being useless for eventually breaking his shield, and Canterlot would have been lost if Twilight didn't find Cadence and Cadence didn't bring Shining back to his sense (seems like she was the only one able to otherwise he would have already been turned back to his normal self).

Edited March 21, 2015 by Tsaritsa Luna

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

Because she did make a decision to visit Twilight, thus agreeing to take all responsibility on herself. Think about it as a contract or something. She triggered it, she decided to visit Twilight, she knew that Discord is free, she could imagine that he won't stand aside. She took full responsibility for Twilight's safety on herself by going there. She's guilty.

 

Actually it's Fluttershy's fault because Discord wouldn't have even known Cadance was coming to visit if Fluttershy hadn't told him. 

 

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See how dumb that logic is?

Edited March 21, 2015 by ShadOBabe

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

-So you tolerate Celestia giving up after the direct fight against Chrysalis, but it's unacceptable for Cadence for giving up after abduction and already being physically injured. So giving up after a fight is fine but giving up after having been kidnapped and beaten up is not. Sounds like double standards to me.

-So you also criticize Shining Armor for being useless for eventually breaking his shield, and Canterlot would have been lost if Twilight didn't find Cadence and Cadence didn't bring Shining back to his sense (seems like she was the only one able to otherwise he would have already been turned back to his normal self).

-Celestia faited after a blast. Cadance was fully conscuous.

-No, Shining did all he could. He fought to the end, and did everything. She was brought there by Twilight, singing and crying all the way there. And all she had to do is to touch his horn with her own. Bravo, she needs to get a medal.

Actually it's Fluttershy's fault because Discord wouldn't have even known Cadance was coming to visit if Fluttershy hadn't told him. 

 

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See how dumb that logic is?

If Cadance wouldn't decide to come there, Fluttershy wouldn't know that. Cadance is guilty.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,015]

-Celestia faited after a blast. Cadance was fully conscuous.

-No, Shining did all he could. He fought to the end, and did everything. She was brought there by Twilight, singing and crying all the way there. And all she had to do is to touch his horn with her own. Bravo, she needs to get a medal.

-Again, giving up after a fair fight is excusable, but being kidnapped and beaten up (without a fair fight) is not an excuse to give up.

-So Shining did all he could, fight to the end, and do everything, but Cadence didn't do all she could, fight to the end, and do everything despite both responsibilities being identical and both needing other ponies to finish the ultimate objective.

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

If Cadance wouldn't decide to come there, Fluttershy wouldn't know that. Cadance is guilty.

 

And you are a troll.

Or just THE most blindly biased person ever. Both work. If you actually do believe what you're saying I hope it doesn't come back to bite you and you get blamed for something you couldn't have predicted.

Edited March 21, 2015 by ShadOBabe

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

-Again, giving up after a fair fight is excusable, but being kidnapped and beaten up (without a fair fight) is not an excuse to give up.

-So Shining did all he could, fight to the end, and do everything, but Cadence didn't do all she could, fight to the end, and do everything despite both responsibilities being identical and both needing other ponies to finish the ultimate objective.

-She was uncoscuous, thus not controlling herself. It was something she could not do. Her mind wasn't there.

-Yes. He was fighting 'till the end. Cadance didn't even bother. All she could -- is to sing and cry. And her singing sucks, too.

And you are a troll.

Or just THE most blindly biased person ever. Both work. If you actually do believe what you're saying I hope it doesn't come back to bite you and you get blamed for something you couldn't have predicted.

Come on, don't make this personal. It's easy to call somebody a troll, but I'd like to listen your arguments. I gave you mine.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,316]

I really, really dislike this pony, and the only thing that prevents me from hating her is the simple fact that she's related to Twilight somehow. Anyways, my reasons are:

1)Her voice is irritating.

2)Her appearance is a joke -- she looks ridicilous and I can't even try to treat her seriously.

3)She's Mary Sue. I hae chars like that.

4)She's the weakest alicorn among the others. I say that she disgrases this race.

5)She's also weak physically and can't even pull a chariot without sweating. Twilight was able to do it just fine, by the way.

6)According to the fact above, she does nothing to improve her state and just... well, doing nothing at all. Like, you know - a useless Princess. Crystal heart spreads love across the country, and she's just a cheap addition to this artifact.

7)Her personality is awful. Too much sugar, too much vanilla. Even Rarity looks badass, compared to her. Heck, even Fluttershy.

Well, I think I listed all main reasons why I dislike Cadance. Does anyone else share such opinion about her?

1. I rather like her voice. It sounds nice to me

2. How is her appearance worse than other ponies? I like her colors, and her body type is pleasing to the eye.

3. How is she a Mary Sue? Twilight had to save her before her own wedding. Spike then came through so she could defeat King Sombra.

4. Excuse me, but how can she be weakest, and a disgrace, but you still call her a Mary Sue?

5. So, do you hate any character that's weaker than, uh, another character? Do all characters in any give show need to have the EXACT same abilities and strengths?

6. Cadence is the guardian of The Crystal Empire. It's established that the Crystal Ponies love and respect her. How is that useless?

7. Frankly, I like her personality.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,015]

-She was uncoscuous, thus not controlling herself. It was something she could not do. Her mind wasn't there.

-Yes. He was fighting 'till the end. Cadance didn't even bother. All she could -- is to sing and cry. And her singing sucks, too.

-But being kidnapped and beat up without a fair fight? Cadence's injuries could have been about the same as Celestia's were; difference being that Chrysalis would have had to sneak attack on her. Or possibly Cadence and Chrysalis did in fact fight. You tell me not to mention what we don't know for sure, but you're making the assumption that Cadence is just a whiny brat who doesn't do anything which is doing the same thing.

-I was talking about Cadence's role in season 3 premier vs Shining's role in season 2 finale. Both had the same responsibilities, both shields eventually broke/faded, both relied on other ponies to defeat the villain. You only fault Cadence for failing. Double standards.

[Breezeoverthewater 12]

1. I rather like her voice. It sounds nice to me

2. How is her appearance worse than other ponies? I like her colors, and her body type is pleasing to the eye.

3. How is she a Mary Sue? Twilight had to save her before her own wedding. Spike then came through so she could defeat King Sombra.

4. Excuse me, but how can she be weakest, and a disgrace, but you still call her a Mary Sue?

5. So, do you hate any character that's weaker than, uh, another character? Do all characters in any give show need to have the EXACT same abilities and strengths?

6. Cadence is the guardian of The Crystal Empire. It's established that the Crystal Ponies love and respect her. How is that useless?

7. Frankly, I like her personality.

2)She looks like Barbie. Worse than that, even.

3)Mary Sue is when everyone likes her without any reason.

4)See above.

5)She's an alicorn and a Princess. She has to be strong. It's her duty.

6)It's about that Heart, she's connected to. Not about her.

-But being kidnapped and beat up without a fair fight? Cadence's injuries could have been about the same as Celestia's were; difference being that Chrysalis would have had to sneak attack on her. Or possibly Cadence and Chrysalis did in fact fight. You tell me not to mention what we don't know for sure, but you're making the assumption that Cadence is just a whiny brat who doesn't do anything which is doing the same thing.

-I was talking about Cadence's role in season 3 premier vs Shining's role in season 2 finale. Both had the same responsibilities, both shields eventually broke/faded, both relied on other ponies to defeat the villain. You only fault Cadence for failing. Double standards.

-I'm not telling about possible fight between Cadance and Chrysalis. I'm telling that Cadance was conscuous and able to move, yet she didn't do anything to escape. Heck, even when Twilight came around, all she did was crying and singing.

-She's a Princess, an alicorn. She has to be strong and last longer than a regular unicorn. Shining was also brainwashed. She didn't fight to the end -- she just gave up, like you'd expect her to.

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

Come on, don't make this personal. It's easy to call somebody a troll, but I'd like to listen your arguments. I gave you mine.

 

That's the thing, your "arguments" make no sense.

They're founded on some sort of insane troll logic (an actual thing) that is fuel by your hatred of a cartoon character.

And don't try to be all innocent and act like you're trying to have a level headed conversation. You're NOT listening to my arguments. You're dancing around them while holding onto this idea that apparently Cadance is "guilty of attempted murder" for not being psychic and DARING to visit her sister in law.

 

The ONLY person responsible for ANYTHING in that situation is Discord.

And even then he's only responsible for being a jack@$$ (which he got just comeuppance for), not for trying to hurt anyone.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

Considering this thread has little to do with an actual discussion and more to do with conjecture and a strong bias against a character this topic will be locked. It's one thing to not like a character, but discussion which serves no other purpose than to bash a character have no place.

 

If you disagree with this decision you can file a support ticket.

 

Thanks.