Why can't Anti-Bronies give the show/fandom a chance?

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

I'm pretty sure that at least a few anti-bronies have given the fandom a change, that's probably the reason why they are anti-bronies in the first place. 

[Dark Qiviut 22,447]

Yet they call themselves anti-bronies.

If they respect the fanbase, then still doesn't change how they're not. Those friends are using the wrong title.

 

I am going to go on a wager here and say you don't have kids.

Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out for their complete irresponsibility for not watching their kids. Kids shouldn't be responsible for something their parents are able to avoid when going online.

 

Do you see the problem with blaming the parents?

There's no corner-cutting. Your comparisons are terrible.

• In a place like a school library, if the parent is not there, the school is completely responsible for monitoring what their kids see. This includes the teachers (if allowed in), librarians, and the heads of the school. One of the purposes of adults in the school is to not only teach children, but keep them safe, too. Keeping NSFW content out of kids' hands is one such example. There should be very strict parental controls on these computers so the porn and gore are as far away as possible.

   

  If a teacher accidentally gave them X-rated content instead of family-friendly homework, then that's the teacher's fault.

• No child should have an iPhone without strict parental controls. iPhones, iPads, and iPod Touches should only be given to kids if the parent is responsible for seeing the content and approving the page first. If the guardian slips up, and the kid sees R34, then it is the parent's fault. Why? Because the parent let his or her guard down and became reactive, not proactive.
• If they're at a friend's house, then the parent of the friend is responsible for monitoring what their kids see. The friend's parent should be like the kid's own vigilant parent: supervise all content online. (If the kid is younger than thirteen or fourteen, then the kids should be offline.) But if they go online and see naughty content, then the friend's parent's at fault.
• If the kids have Internet access on a game console, then the guardian who owns the console is responsible. If it's in his or her own parent's house, then the parent is responsible. If in a friend's house, it's the friend's parents. Like the computer, tablet, MP3 player, or smartphone, parental controls exist. Set it up and monitor every single webpage before giving access to their kids. (I don't know if it's possible today, but I wouldn't enable the Internet on a game console till they reach thirteen at least.)

In a place like the four-year-old girl's home, her parent is one-hundred-percent responsible for everything her child saw online*. All parental controls should be strict while allowing their children access online after getting parental approval for everything out there. If the parent can't be with the child, then the Internet and chat-related apps should be disabled (password-coded with a good password) until the parent returns.

 

On Skype, some brony posted R34 images in a group where kids saw it, including a young girl. They probably got traumatized knowing there are MLP fans who just shove NSFW pony art wherever they feel like it, without giving a single heck or thought about who sees it. Maybe that person didn't know there were kids in the group, but the brony was still incredibly irresponsible and it wasn't even a NSFW group.

*As a general example, this is one of those exceptions. The brony who posted the porn was completely irresponsible. If I was a parent and saw that, I would be incredibly upset at the person who did it and give him or her a long talk, assuming he wasn't a troll. But would I be upset at the bronies who like clop and the thought that bronies who like porn is fine? No. Even though this dude posted the porn, there are other clop artists who would be very upset over it, too. To paint cloppers with such a broad brush makes me no better (if not worse) than the clopper him or herself.

 

One question, though: Why were there kids (including a young girl) on Skype, anyway? Were there any settings to prevent anyone from joining without consent? Was it a chat group, video log, or a combo? Did anyone give the person permission to go into that group? How old was the dude, anyway?

 

You are assuming an awful lot. How do we know that the child was completely unsupervised or that safe search filters were not on?

• Recently, I let her go online for the 1st time to entertain herself for a while I was doing a little busy work around the house.

  The troll's words from her own note. She stated specifically in part one of the note that she left her daughter to "entertain herself" online — in other words, wander online alone — while she was housekeeping. Any responsible parent will never allow their kid — especially one this young — to ever explore the Internet without proactive permission. Computers aren't babysitters.

• Nobody knows what settings were on, because she never stated the specifications. We don't know if SafeSearch was actually on at the time she left her daughter alone. We don't know where she even found the adult images. Were they on Google? Bing? A website where adult content is filtered, but was able to bypass it for some reason?
• From the way her child acted, she was very familiar with what is appropriate or not. From the description within the note, the kid immediately knew what porn is. Children at such a young age won't even know the concept of pornography. Remember, the mom claimed this is her toddler's first time online altogether.

Her entire note is very sketchy. The fact that she communicated privately to a user with a history of vile brony-bashing makes it worse. Anyone with an ounce of common sense won't point the finger to bronies who posted their adult images or fanfiction and instead point at her for being a terrible parent. There's some speculation that her note is completely fabricated, this being one of them.

 

But let's just say it is true. Let's say her toddler found the porn via a search engine. Hypothetically, with safe search on. The mom actually left her daughter to wander around online while she housekept. And then later, she found out about the bronies and bronies who did like to talk about and post clop.

 

It's completely her mom's responsibility! Her situation is completely avoidable. If she was actually being a mom, then she wouldn't have allowed her daughter to go online until she came back. Yet, rather than accept responsibility, she spewed stereotypical and sexist bullshit about male bronies. Rather than treat people individually, she painted bronies under one large brush and called all of them misogynist. People like her are what we like to call SJWs: people who claim are fighting for justice, yet are no worse than the people she claims she's advocating against. This "mom" pinned the blame on everyone except herself and acted like a right-wing propagandist on Fox News! That's bad parenting.

 

This is not the bronies' fault in any way, shape, or form. It's the mom's fault all the way. No exceptions!

 

In other words:

I'm sorry but your "strikes" are not valid.

Completely wrong. All three strikes stand.

 

Also, your entire post and reply to me does nothing except show you haven't read the note thoroughly or at all.

 

I find it interesting that the only people you're not blaming are the people who actually made the content. Who are at fault just as much as everyone else. How do we know that these artists didn't tag things properly?

Because, once more, there's no objectively good reason to blame the people who made the content for the reasons already stated. We don't know where the kid saw the content, how she found it, or if she even went online after all. She only said her daughter found the adult content while she wasn't looking, assuming the story isn't full of misandrist lies. Nothing more. From the notes themselves, she also didn't search her Internet history; if it's not on a privacy setting and with cookies on, she'd know where in a heartbeat. The mom's note is more holey than the Bible.

 

So let me get this right:

 

If some porn artists do not tag their content correctly, it's up to a search engine which has billions of article to filter on a daily basis to catch it and if it slips through the cracks it's their fault?

 

Yeah no.

Even if they don't tag it, it still is Google's fault. The brony who doesn't tag the adult content should tag it. If he doesn't, report it to hide it. But it doesn't absolve Google or any other search engine, either. Search engines like Google's are smart enough to know what's safe or work and not. But images can and will squeak through, whether they're tagged or not; this means the people who look through the image engine need to help out the sites and filter the content. If an image slips through, report it.

 

To be very blunt, even if you filter the content yourself, it doesn't mean the site itself is safe for work. DeviantArt isn't. Tumblr isn't. YouTube isn't. Fanfiction.net, Mediaminer.org aren't. Search engines aren't. Wikipedia isn't. You can filter NSFW content, but it doesn't mean they'll filter content appropriate for teens. YouTube, DeviantArt, and this forum only filter content inappropriate for people under eighteen. Kids should only go on specific websites that allow them to go on as long as parents have their formal, legal consent and final word for everything. Some family-friendly corporations make it clear that parents need to give their kids permission to log on to their websites. To be specific, guardians must explore the site to see if the content is appropos; even if it's SFW, guardians have the final word.

 

I am absolutely using it correctly. You are blaming the mother. The mother's child was traumatized. She is a victim. You have your kid witness some messed up stuff and say it doesn't affect you.

Once more, you keep using it incorrectly, and you're wrong about this entirely. Her mom is not a victim. Only the child herself is. From how she writes, she's very familiar with Tumblr. This means she should be familiar with how not only the site works, but her parental controls, too. By not accepting responsibility for her own recklessness that wouldn't have happened had she wasn't being stupid and blaming the bronies (who clop) and painting a large brush on male bronies, she's shifting the blame. By shifting the blame, she not only scapegoats the entire brony fandom, but her own daughter, too! She's teaching her it's okay to:

• Blame other people once she gets older. What happens when the kid is responsible for doing something wrong once she's old enough to know right from wrong? Will she pass the blame onto them, or will she accept responsibility? Based on her mom's disgusting attitude, you can guess it'll be the former.
• Stereotype other fans. Stereotypes are a basis of bigotry. Racism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, sexism, ableism, bigotry against fans and fandoms stem from this garbage. The second you stereotype, you're not any better than the fans you claim to be against. The second you think stereotyping is okay, you're no better than a white supremacist.
• Be sexist to not just men, but also other women. Yes, both misandry and misogyny. Sexism doesn't simply affect one gender. It affects everyone. If you're sexist against men, you affecting the quality of life for women. If you're sexist against women, you affect the quality of life for men. What about the minority sexes and genders? Sexism against the primary genders affects them, too. This idiot "mom" is saying sexism against men is okay, thereby teaching her sexism altogether is okay.

   

  Why?

   

  Because the brony fandom has plenty of R34.

   

  *whistle* Time out!

   

  What she forgets (and you ignore after I told you this last time) is how thousands of bronies who like clop or do clop are women. But to say their like for porn disregards women and children is BULLSHIT! Adult fan content of cartoons (appropriate for kids) have been around for almost a century, and this isn't the only fandom that does it. Secondly, she only targets (male) bronies for their porn. Why the hell didn't she paint other fandoms with such a broad brush, either? Or maybe she should've done like what any 'Net-savvy, intelligent, responsible parent would do and:

  • Examine the people who made the clop
  • Talk to them about it
  • Have them explain to her why they like making fanart whether it's family-friendly or not
  • Use the predicament her daughter had as a positive teaching experience for everyone.

Instead, she took the easy way out.

 

By the way, the troll also acted like these guys literally took control of the show and its impact away from little girls. She couldn't be any more factually wrong.

 

When did I say that? I said nothing of the sort.

You did. Re-read the segment:

When you defend all bronies, even the ones causing the problems it looks more like you just don't want to admit there ARE bad seeds in the brony fandom at all. Not that you want to eliminate negative stereotypes, you just don't want to admit that anyone in the brony fandom can do any wrong.

Just because I defend bronies doesn't mean I don't call other bronies out for their bad behavior. Observe my history here, I won't hesitate to call out crap that I see in the fandom. But what do I do that's different from some of the other people, including plenty of them in this thread?

• Just because a brony does stupid shit doesn't mean I don't like them nor do I believe he should go to hell. People who do something wrong can also be very good people. Address the problem and see if it can be changed for the better.
• Just because there are bad people in this fandom doesn't give me the right to stereotype the fandom as a whole. You have massive conventions, approximately ten million bronies worldwide, a very strong relationship between the fandom and staff, and a hell of a lot of charity work. Bad bronies exist, but it doesn't change the fact that there are hundreds of thousands more good people here. The second you use bad bronies as a reason to scapegoat for any reason (including vainly "ditching" the title), you're no better than the people you claim to despise.
• I actually understand why the reasons to dislike the fandom are objectively worse than all the porn and so-called "brony cringe" combined.

   

  Bronies who like porn. Bronies who clop. Bronies who celebrate their fandom via collections, brony clothing, avatars, sigs, talking about it. The bronies who have relationships with tulpas. The brony who fell in love with Twilight Sparkle. There's absolutely nothing wrong with any of it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. As long as it doesn't affect anyone's lives for the worse and the people themselves live happy and healthy lives, why the hell should I even think about giving a damn what they do?

And I made this plain and clear in my posts in this thread, and I'll do it again. Bronies who like porn aren't a problem. Bronies who like gore aren't a problem. Bronies who like vore aren't a problem. Bronies who admit to liking "cringe" content aren't a problem. The attitude of people who are boisterous about loving their shows can be a problem, but the people themselves can be just as fantastic as the ones who prefer to keep their passions to themselves. Depending on the rules of their sites and groups, they're completely entitled to discussing it whenever they see fit. Is that a problem? Hell, no! Anyone who thinks otherwise is helping perpetuate the "closet brony" problem. Discussion about it is healthy. Why? Because it bridges gaps and makes people feel comfortable about themselves.

 

If that "mother" bothered to research bronies correctly and take responsibility for her own poor parenting, then maybe she would've learned something. How maybe bronies who like porn are just like her mom, except the sexism.

 

You claim that I believe bronies can do no wrong. That's a strawman.

 

How about instead of blaming the mother and insisting it was everyone's faults but the bronies you advocate people keeping their porn tagged properly and in the correct place and advocate issuing an apology to this parent whom had their child exposed to something they should not have been exposed to.

Correction. Rather than you giving her ass a pass, call her out for stereotyping, misandry, shifting the blame, guilt-tripping the fandom as a bunch of misogynist pigs, and (along with the anti-brony herself) creating a pawn out of her daughter (if she has one)?

 

Kids shouldn't be online alone. The fact that she allegedly allowed her four-year-old to go online on her own is inconceivable. The fact that you (and by extension so many people on Tumblr) pin ZERO responsibility on her mother and are serious about it is alarming!

 

The only one of the duo who deserves an apology is her daughter. Sorry that (if it happened) she accidentally looked online when her mom was busy housekeeping and that she's being raised by someone with a backwards parenting mentality. Her mom, though, doesn't deserve one apology whatsoever. She didn't earn it when she left her daughter alone during a completely avoidable predicament. She lost all sympathy when she scapegoated them for her own doing.

 

Seriously, all of this for a four-part Tumblr note that was nothing but pure troll-bait.

 

You want to know why people have a negative opinion of bronies? Because when stuff like this happens, bronies like you defend it and turn around and blame everyone but other bronies for the problem.

Wrong. The real reason is because people like the troll desired to stir the anti-bronydom pot that plagues Tumblr and paint everyone under a large brush. This troll and anti-brony herself enforced a stereotype on a website where bronies are still very vulnerable. But rather than conducting their own research and treating bronies individually, so many suck up to this bait, and bronies become a major laughingstock when there are no good reasons for it in the first place.

 

You claim my attitude's a problem? The pot's calling the kettle black. The only attitude you should have a problem with is your own.

 

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So if anyone points out the bad people in well anything that is bad to you?!

You want people to ignore those people..

Re-read what I wrote in my posts in this thread, because you pulled the very same strawman I called out earlier. What I said is just because there are bad people in fandom doesn't give you the right to paint a whole fandom under a broad brush. You don't ignore the bad, but you shouldn't ignore the good, either. Just because bad people exist in this fandom doesn't mean the whole fandom will tank like the Philadelphia 76ers.

 

....I'm done I'm done with this entire fandom

One of the bigger problems I'm seeing is how way too many people treat the concept of "fandom" as some kind of clique or cult. That's false. A fandom is merely a whole collection of fans. Replace "fandom" with "fanbase," and you get the same definition. You say you're "done" with the brony fandom, yet you're still in the fandom for one reason only: you like the product just like nearly all of us here. You help expand the brony fandom just by being a brony. If you're a Sonic fan like myself, then you're in the Sonic fandom. Even if you don't participate in the fandom actively, you're in the fandom passively because you still follow FIM in some way or another. Unless you're not a fan of the product, it's impossible for you to disassociate from a fanbase when you're already in a fanbase.

 

People like you is why I stopped calling myself a brony

You and the people who brohoofed your post are wrong on this entirely. Just like Tommy Oliver chose to change his review format in response to stupid criticism and then burn bridges, you chose to "ditch" the title in hopes to vainly disassociate yourself from the fanbase and scapegoated other people like myself. Nobody in this fandom forced you to give it up. Your reasoning is a lot like why many feminist separatists abandon the "feminist" title as a result of misandrists adopting the term. This terrible mindset makes you perpetuate the stereotypes you try to avoid more accurately than them by claiming "I'm not one of them." Fans come in all shapes, sizes, cultures, and attitude. Never scapegoat fans for any reason.

 

You're a fan of FIM, aren't you? If so, that makes you a brony. "FIM fan" and "brony" are interchangeable, synonymous terms. The only way to truly give up the title is to stop being a fan of the product.

 

Try to talk about one bad brony and they'll think your talking about them and attack and send you death threats.

If this happened to you, then I'm sorry you had to endure this. I don't care who it is or what reason it is. Personal attacks and death threats are among the lowest form of humanity. Nobody should tolerate this under any circumstances. I've seen others get personally attacked on this site and off, and they always make me angry. Once a few years ago, someone on here admitted in his status to sending another user a death threat; fortunately, he got kicked off not long later. I was personally attacked on this forum myself, and the most vile part about it is how sometimes a lot of people actually brohoofed the flame. (I wish the people who brohoofed the abusive content receive the same "abusive behavior" warning as the people who sent them; the people who enable the attacks are no better than the enabler.)

 

However, you're handling your terrible experience irresponsibly. You're entitled to not like certain people in the fandom, and I don't blame you for it, but you're not entitled to paint a fandom under a broad brush. The second you do that, you're stereotyping. Stereotypes are a basis of prejudice. This causes other people in other fandoms to feel guilty of simply liking something even though they did nothing wrong. Stereotyping fans doesn't stay confined within the fandom or online. Like what I wrote before, they bleed into society, and you create terrible misconceptions that result in inadvertent evil. By stereotyping, you're exploiting your terrible experiences rather than using it to help you grow as a person. Anytime you stereotype a fandom, you imply that you can't bother to express an opinion without bigotry.

 

Because bronies themselves aren't hating, bashing or stereotyping each other....

Don't get sarcastic with me. Bronies who stereotype other bronies are no better, either. This attitude should be called out, too.

[Twilight Shimmer 30]

This probably has nothing to do with the actual topic but I guess it works, So one of my friends used to Love MLP:FIM he even wrote Derpy Hooves on his lunch bag, and whenever I asked him who his favorite pony in the mane 6 was he would always answer with Derpy Hooves. Until his parent(s) was upset with him for watching a "Girly" show and so his parent(s) convinced him to stop being a brony and so he became an anti-brony or just someone that hates MLP:FIM and it took me some time to believe that he had actually done that since we even had this pony club with me and some of my other friends, but that's all over now. I still wonder if he still is an anti-brony or like I said just someone that hates MLP:FIM... I'll probably never know.

[GuyNamedEarl 1,332]

I think both sides can be incredibly stupid. Anti-bronies judge bronies and stereotype them as autistic lowers who live in their mom's basement, and never even bother to watch the show or get to known bronies. On the hand, a lot of bronies act so butthurt when someone says anything bad about the show, and take jokes about them way too hard.

[\/ 651]

End-all Be-all answer: They're dicks. If they're really always negative, they've got no intentions of exploring the fandom, and instead will feed off the lies and contextual "evidence" found by others, turning them into their own arguments. No need to care, we'll be fine.

[StephenP 106]

I just laugh. At this rate the fact that people try so had to bash us down is priceless to me.

Also, they call us childish, and yet they ridicule others for liking something they don't. Not only childish themselves but also hypocritical.

God, I love the internet.

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

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Edited January 30, 2023 by SynBassilicious Pony

[Guest]

If they respect the fanbase, then still doesn't change how they're not. Those friends are using the wrong title.

 

Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out for their complete irresponsibility for not watching their kids. Kids shouldn't be responsible for something their parents are able to avoid when going online.

 

There's no corner-cutting. Your comparisons are terrible.

• In a place like a school library, if the parent is not there, the school is completely responsible for monitoring what their kids see. This includes the teachers (if allowed in), librarians, and the heads of the school. One of the purposes of adults in the school is to not only teach children, but keep them safe, too. Keeping NSFW content out of kids' hands is one such example. There should be very strict parental controls on these computers so the porn and gore are as far away as possible.

   

  If a teacher accidentally gave them X-rated content instead of family-friendly homework, then that's the teacher's fault.

• No child should have an iPhone without strict parental controls. iPhones, iPads, and iPod Touches should only be given to kids if the parent is responsible for seeing the content and approving the page first. If the guardian slips up, and the kid sees R34, then it is the parent's fault. Why? Because the parent let his or her guard down and became reactive, not proactive.
• If they're at a friend's house, then the parent of the friend is responsible for monitoring what their kids see. The friend's parent should be like the kid's own vigilant parent: supervise all content online. (If the kid is younger than thirteen or fourteen, then the kids should be offline.) But if they go online and see naughty content, then the friend's parent's at fault.
• If the kids have Internet access on a game console, then the guardian who owns the console is responsible. If it's in his or her own parent's house, then the parent is responsible. If in a friend's house, it's the friend's parents. Like the computer, tablet, MP3 player, or smartphone, parental controls exist. Set it up and monitor every single webpage before giving access to their kids. (I don't know if it's possible today, but I wouldn't enable the Internet on a game console till they reach thirteen at least.)

In a place like the four-year-old girl's home, her parent is one-hundred-percent responsible for everything her child saw online*. All parental controls should be strict while allowing their children access online after getting parental approval for everything out there. If the parent can't be with the child, then the Internet and chat-related apps should be disabled (password-coded with a good password) until the parent returns.

 

*As a general example, this is one of those exceptions. The brony who posted the porn was completely irresponsible. If I was a parent and saw that, I would be incredibly upset at the person who did it and give him or her a long talk, assuming he wasn't a troll. But would I be upset at the bronies who like clop and the thought that bronies who like porn is fine? No. Even though this dude posted the porn, there are other clop artists who would be very upset over it, too. To paint cloppers with such a broad brush makes me no better (if not worse) than the clopper him or herself.

 

One question, though: Why were there kids (including a young girl) on Skype, anyway? Were there any settings to prevent anyone from joining without consent? Was it a chat group, video log, or a combo? Did anyone give the person permission to go into that group? How old was the dude, anyway?

 

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  The troll's words from her own note. She stated specifically in part one of the note that she left her daughter to "entertain herself" online — in other words, wander online alone — while she was housekeeping. Any responsible parent will never allow their kid — especially one this young — to ever explore the Internet without proactive permission. Computers aren't babysitters.

• Nobody knows what settings were on, because she never stated the specifications. We don't know if SafeSearch was actually on at the time she left her daughter alone. We don't know where she even found the adult images. Were they on Google? Bing? A website where adult content is filtered, but was able to bypass it for some reason?
• From the way her child acted, she was very familiar with what is appropriate or not. From the description within the note, the kid immediately knew what porn is. Children at such a young age won't even know the concept of pornography. Remember, the mom claimed this is her toddler's first time online altogether.

Her entire note is very sketchy. The fact that she communicated privately to a user with a history of vile brony-bashing makes it worse. Anyone with an ounce of common sense won't point the finger to bronies who posted their adult images or fanfiction and instead point at her for being a terrible parent. There's some speculation that her note is completely fabricated, this being one of them.

 

But let's just say it is true. Let's say her toddler found the porn via a search engine. Hypothetically, with safe search on. The mom actually left her daughter to wander around online while she housekept. And then later, she found out about the bronies and bronies who did like to talk about and post clop.

 

It's completely her mom's responsibility! Her situation is completely avoidable. If she was actually being a mom, then she wouldn't have allowed her daughter to go online until she came back. Yet, rather than accept responsibility, she spewed stereotypical and sexist bullshit about male bronies. Rather than treat people individually, she painted bronies under one large brush and called all of them misogynist. People like her are what we like to call SJWs: people who claim are fighting for justice, yet are no worse than the people she claims she's advocating against. This "mom" pinned the blame on everyone except herself and acted like a right-wing propagandist on Fox News! That's bad parenting.

 

This is not the bronies' fault in any way, shape, or form. It's the mom's fault all the way. No exceptions!

 

In other words:

Completely wrong. All three strikes stand.

 

Also, your entire post and reply to me does nothing except show you haven't read the note thoroughly or at all.

 

Because, once more, there's no objectively good reason to blame the people who made the content for the reasons already stated. We don't know where the kid saw the content, how she found it, or if she even went online after all. She only said her daughter found the adult content while she wasn't looking, assuming the story isn't full of misandrist lies. Nothing more. From the notes themselves, she also didn't search her Internet history; if it's not on a privacy setting and with cookies on, she'd know where in a heartbeat. The mom's note is more holey than the Bible.

 

Even if they don't tag it, it still is Google's fault. The brony who doesn't tag the adult content should tag it. If he doesn't, report it to hide it. But it doesn't absolve Google or any other search engine, either. Search engines like Google's are smart enough to know what's safe or work and not. But images can and will squeak through, whether they're tagged or not; this means the people who look through the image engine need to help out the sites and filter the content. If an image slips through, report it.

 

To be very blunt, even if you filter the content yourself, it doesn't mean the site itself is safe for work. DeviantArt isn't. Tumblr isn't. YouTube isn't. Fanfiction.net, Mediaminer.org aren't. Search engines aren't. Wikipedia isn't. You can filter NSFW content, but it doesn't mean they'll filter content appropriate for teens. YouTube, DeviantArt, and this forum only filter content inappropriate for people under eighteen. Kids should only go on specific websites that allow them to go on as long as parents have their formal, legal consent and final word for everything. Some family-friendly corporations make it clear that parents need to give their kids permission to log on to their websites. To be specific, guardians must explore the site to see if the content is appropos; even if it's SFW, guardians have the final word.

 

Once more, you keep using it incorrectly, and you're wrong about this entirely. Her mom is not a victim. Only the child herself is. From how she writes, she's very familiar with Tumblr. This means she should be familiar with how not only the site works, but her parental controls, too. By not accepting responsibility for her own recklessness that wouldn't have happened had she wasn't being stupid and blaming the bronies (who clop) and painting a large brush on male bronies, she's shifting the blame. By shifting the blame, she not only scapegoats the entire brony fandom, but her own daughter, too! She's teaching her it's okay to:

• Blame other people once she gets older. What happens when the kid is responsible for doing something wrong once she's old enough to know right from wrong? Will she pass the blame onto them, or will she accept responsibility? Based on her mom's disgusting attitude, you can guess it'll be the former.
• Stereotype other fans. Stereotypes are a basis of bigotry. Racism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, sexism, ableism, bigotry against fans and fandoms stem from this garbage. The second you stereotype, you're not any better than the fans you claim to be against. The second you think stereotyping is okay, you're no better than a white supremacist.
• Be sexist to not just men, but also other women. Yes, both misandry and misogyny. Sexism doesn't simply affect one gender. It affects everyone. If you're sexist against men, you affecting the quality of life for women. If you're sexist against women, you affect the quality of life for men. What about the minority sexes and genders? Sexism against the primary genders affects them, too. This idiot "mom" is saying sexism against men is okay, thereby teaching her sexism altogether is okay.

   

  Why?

   

  Because the brony fandom has plenty of R34.

   

  *whistle* Time out!

   

  What she forgets (and you ignore after I told you this last time) is how thousands of bronies who like clop or do clop are women. But to say their like for porn disregards women and children is BULLSHIT! Adult fan content of cartoons (appropriate for kids) have been around for almost a century, and this isn't the only fandom that does it. Secondly, she only targets (male) bronies for their porn. Why the hell didn't she paint other fandoms with such a broad brush, either? Or maybe she should've done like what any 'Net-savvy, intelligent, responsible parent would do and:

  • Examine the people who made the clop
  • Talk to them about it
  • Have them explain to her why they like making fanart whether it's family-friendly or not
  • Use the predicament her daughter had as a positive teaching experience for everyone.

Instead, she took the easy way out.

 

By the way, the troll also acted like these guys literally took control of the show and its impact away from little girls. She couldn't be any more factually wrong.

 

You did. Re-read the segment:

Just because I defend bronies doesn't mean I don't call other bronies out for their bad behavior. Observe my history here, I won't hesitate to call out crap that I see in the fandom. But what do I do that's different from some of the other people, including plenty of them in this thread?

• Just because a brony does stupid shit doesn't mean I don't like them nor do I believe he should go to hell. People who do something wrong can also be very good people. Address the problem and see if it can be changed for the better.
• Just because there are bad people in this fandom doesn't give me the right to stereotype the fandom as a whole. You have massive conventions, approximately ten million bronies worldwide, a very strong relationship between the fandom and staff, and a hell of a lot of charity work. Bad bronies exist, but it doesn't change the fact that there are hundreds of thousands more good people here. The second you use bad bronies as a reason to scapegoat for any reason (including vainly "ditching" the title), you're no better than the people you claim to despise.
• I actually understand why the reasons to dislike the fandom are objectively worse than all the porn and so-called "brony cringe" combined.

   

  Bronies who like porn. Bronies who clop. Bronies who celebrate their fandom via collections, brony clothing, avatars, sigs, talking about it. The bronies who have relationships with tulpas. The brony who fell in love with Twilight Sparkle. There's absolutely nothing wrong with any of it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. As long as it doesn't affect anyone's lives for the worse and the people themselves live happy and healthy lives, why the hell should I even think about giving a damn what they do?

And I made this plain and clear in my posts in this thread, and I'll do it again. Bronies who like porn aren't a problem. Bronies who like gore aren't a problem. Bronies who like vore aren't a problem. Bronies who admit to liking "cringe" content aren't a problem. The attitude of people who are boisterous about loving their shows can be a problem, but the people themselves can be just as fantastic as the ones who prefer to keep their passions to themselves. Depending on the rules of their sites and groups, they're completely entitled to discussing it whenever they see fit. Is that a problem? Hell, no! Anyone who thinks otherwise is helping perpetuate the "closet brony" problem. Discussion about it is healthy. Why? Because it bridges gaps and makes people feel comfortable about themselves.

 

If that "mother" bothered to research bronies correctly and take responsibility for her own poor parenting, then maybe she would've learned something. How maybe bronies who like porn are just like her mom, except the sexism.

 

You claim that I believe bronies can do no wrong. That's a strawman.

 

Correction. Rather than you giving her ass a pass, call her out for stereotyping, misandry, shifting the blame, guilt-tripping the fandom as a bunch of misogynist pigs, and (along with the anti-brony herself) creating a pawn out of her daughter (if she has one)?

 

Kids shouldn't be online alone. The fact that she allegedly allowed her four-year-old to go online on her own is inconceivable. The fact that you (and by extension so many people on Tumblr) pin ZERO responsibility on her mother and are serious about it is alarming!

 

The only one of the duo who deserves an apology is her daughter. Sorry that (if it happened) she accidentally looked online when her mom was busy housekeeping and that she's being raised by someone with a backwards parenting mentality. Her mom, though, doesn't deserve one apology whatsoever. She didn't earn it when she left her daughter alone during a completely avoidable predicament. She lost all sympathy when she scapegoated them for her own doing.

 

Seriously, all of this for a four-part Tumblr note that was nothing but pure troll-bait.

 

Wrong. The real reason is because people like the troll desired to stir the anti-bronydom pot that plagues Tumblr and paint everyone under a large brush. This troll and anti-brony herself enforced a stereotype on a website where bronies are still very vulnerable. But rather than conducting their own research and treating bronies individually, so many suck up to this bait, and bronies become a major laughingstock when there are no good reasons for it in the first place.

 

You claim my attitude's a problem? The pot's calling the kettle black. The only attitude you should have a problem with is your own.

 

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Re-read what I wrote in my posts in this thread, because you pulled the very same strawman I called out earlier. What I said is just because there are bad people in fandom doesn't give you the right to paint a whole fandom under a broad brush. You don't ignore the bad, but you shouldn't ignore the good, either. Just because bad people exist in this fandom doesn't mean the whole fandom will tank like the Philadelphia 76ers.

 

One of the bigger problems I'm seeing is how way too many people treat the concept of "fandom" as some kind of clique or cult. That's false. A fandom is merely a whole collection of fans. Replace "fandom" with "fanbase," and you get the same definition. You say you're "done" with the brony fandom, yet you're still in the fandom for one reason only: you like the product just like nearly all of us here. You help expand the brony fandom just by being a brony. If you're a Sonic fan like myself, then you're in the Sonic fandom. Even if you don't participate in the fandom actively, you're in the fandom passively because you still follow FIM in some way or another. Unless you're not a fan of the product, it's impossible for you to disassociate from a fanbase when you're already in a fanbase.

 

You and the people who brohoofed your post are wrong on this entirely. Just like Tommy Oliver chose to change his review format in response to stupid criticism and then burn bridges, you chose to "ditch" the title in hopes to vainly disassociate yourself from the fanbase and scapegoated other people like myself. Nobody in this fandom forced you to give it up. Your reasoning is a lot like why many feminist separatists abandon the "feminist" title as a result of misandrists adopting the term. This terrible mindset makes you perpetuate the stereotypes you try to avoid more accurately than them by claiming "I'm not one of them." Fans come in all shapes, sizes, cultures, and attitude. Never scapegoat fans for any reason.

 

You're a fan of FIM, aren't you? If so, that makes you a brony. "FIM fan" and "brony" are interchangeable, synonymous terms. The only way to truly give up the title is to stop being a fan of the product.

 

If this happened to you, then I'm sorry you had to endure this. I don't care who it is or what reason it is. Personal attacks and death threats are among the lowest form of humanity. Nobody should tolerate this under any circumstances. I've seen others get personally attacked on this site and off, and they always make me angry. Once a few years ago, someone on here admitted in his status to sending another user a death threat; fortunately, he got kicked off not long later. I was personally attacked on this forum myself, and the most vile part about it is how sometimes a lot of people actually brohoofed the flame. (I wish the people who brohoofed the abusive content receive the same "abusive behavior" warning as the people who sent them; the people who enable the attacks are no better than the enabler.)

 

However, you're handling your terrible experience irresponsibly. You're entitled to not like certain people in the fandom, and I don't blame you for it, but you're not entitled to paint a fandom under a broad brush. The second you do that, you're stereotyping. Stereotypes are a basis of prejudice. This causes other people in other fandoms to feel guilty of simply liking something even though they did nothing wrong. Stereotyping fans doesn't stay confined within the fandom or online. Like what I wrote before, they bleed into society, and you create terrible misconceptions that result in inadvertent evil. By stereotyping, you're exploiting your terrible experiences rather than using it to help you grow as a person. Anytime you stereotype a fandom, you imply that you can't bother to express an opinion without bigotry.

 

Don't get sarcastic with me. Bronies who stereotype other bronies are no better, either. This attitude should be called out, too.

This all is pretty much why people troll bronies: reactions like this. You literally typed enough to make a chapter of a book in defense of bronies. You are a shining example of giving trolls the reaction they want. It's a fandom for a cartoon that you need to stop taking so seriously, man. You clearly are taking any criticism of bronies to heart and it's kind of being troll bait.

 

You are literally all for calling out anyone who criticizes bronies and pointing the finger at everyone else claiming everyone else is the problem, but the problem can never possibly be your little fandom in your mind. This is part of the problem, people like you lack the ability to realize when they have taken their love of a show way too far. Look how long a post you just typed in response to so many comments to defend what? A cartoon? I know you're about to resort to the whole "saying it's just a cartoon is not a viable argument" but really... It kind of is... There is far more you could do to fight stereotypes, gender roles and such than defending a cartoon. You're really reached a level of "wasting your time" that is almost unheard of.

 

I will concede and let you "win" under one pretense: I really can't possibly bring myself to care as much as you apparently do about the subject. You literally just accused so many people here of being "part of the problem" and have done little to convince them to see your way because all you've done is scream "no, bronies aren't the problem, it's everyone else!" and insulted half of the people here. And frankly, I don't give a damn if you think I'm part of the problem are not. I'm not a brony, I will never be one, and you will just have to accept that. I doubt I'm missing much either.

 

So congrats, you "won" but at what cost? You may have won by me defaulting but you have not convinced me to feel any differently and in effect probably convinced more people here to be less likely to want to adopt the title of "brony" by how you've treated them. Instead of giving them something to look forward to and encouraging them you've more or less threatened them and said "if you don't accept the way of the brony you are all these bad things and should feel bad about yourself." So congrats, I can not think of a better way to describe this than "hollow victory."

[Krampus 197]

Simple answer for everyone: They hate us and we hate them. There we go. End of story. Thread done. Go home. Do something productive.

[StephenP 106]

Simple answer for everyone: They hate us and we hate them. There we go. End of story. Thread done. Go home. Do something productive.

Being productive? NEVAR! c:

[Chara 1,565]

I see Anti-Bronies in the YouTube comment's everyday, they are not hater's of the show but trolls trying to get your attention. I would just ignore them if I were you guys.

[DND 2,355]

A character trait the majority of the world has is conforming impressionability to what society sees as normal and a lack of open-mindedness.

[Cyandashie 128]

Whenever I comment on some popular video on YouTube, anti-bronies attack me.

[Guest]

The short version really is they shouldn't have to. If you don't like something you don't need to give it a chance to be allowed to not like it. If it doesn't appeal to them, let them be.