Why can't Anti-Bronies give the show/fandom a chance?

[DaringDoNot 39]

It seems like all they can focus on is the bad stuff, like cloppers and whatnot, and they don't know about the GOOD side of the fandom, which is the majority of the people on this forum. It's not that they don't know about the good side, it's just they don't BELIEVE there is one. They also can't seem to get past the fact that it's a kids show. Yeah so? There are plenty of other kids shows that have a teen/adult fanbase, such as Pokemon, Digimon, Ben 10, Steven Universe, and Adventure Time. They jump right to conclusions and say we're "autistic" and the male fans are "man children". I wish some of them would watch just one episode, before making assumptions. I have met some people who watched it and genuinely didn't like the show, that's alright, it's not everybody's ( or everyponys) cup of tea. You don't have to be jerks about it though. So why does this happen so often?

[TopQuark 409]

The My Little Pony name has been built up for so long (since the 80s) as a run-of-the-mill, good for nothing girls show, but has a large adult following.

 

The Internet has a large number of closed-minded, trollish jerks who are either scared or insulted by anything new or different.

 

Guess what happens when those two facts mix?

Edited August 10, 2015 by TopQuark

[Stuffy Hooves 143]

The My Little Pony name has been built up for so long (since the 80s) as a run-of-the-mill, good for nothing girls show, but has a large adult following.

 

The Internet has a large number of closed-minded, trollish jerks who are either scared or insulted by anything new or different.

 

Guess what happens when those two facts mix?

Yup.. don't forget our dark side too.. pushy bronies take the  blame too.

[yeet 2,026]

Because a lot of the are "anti brony" just because they find it funny to get over the top reactions out of some of us. To be fair some of them are pretty funny.

[Envy 6,000]

Yup.. don't forget our dark side too.. pushy bronies take the  blame too.

 

It's not pushy Bronies that are the problem. It's gross Bronies that are the problem.

 

I never had any problem with the level of pushiness Bronies have done. Sure, it can be annoying, but it's not something I'd really judge the fandom over. In fact, most claims of pushiness I've seen were aimed at cases where there was no pushiness whatsoever (like three members on a forum had MLP avatars and someone made a topic "Man, why does everyone here have MLP avatars?" LOL. Ridiculous. Yet they ignore the massive amount of avatars for male nerd-accepted brands... Of course.)

 

Grossness is where I draw the line. Grossness is where the general populace looks at the fandom and instead of seeing a group of grown men liking MLP for what it is, they see that they like it sexualized and violent... And let me tell you, that only works to confirm their culturally-imbued ideas that men shouldn't like things for girls.

 

If only the Brony fandom could have done the opposite... I wished... But some things can never change, I guess.

[Silver Letter 1,830]

Some do. I used to have a negative opinion of them.

[ponylaces 1,869]

Because they're so close minded and ignorant. Fortunately, some of them do give the show a chance, and sometimes they even end up becoming bronies!

[Stuffy Hooves 143]

It's not pushy Bronies that are the problem. It's gross Bronies that are the problem.

 

I never had any problem with the level of pushiness Bronies have done. Sure, it can be annoying, but it's not something I'd really judge the fandom over. In fact, most claims of pushiness I've seen were aimed at cases where there was no pushiness whatsoever (like three members on a forum had MLP avatars and someone made a topic "Man, why does everyone here have MLP avatars?" LOL. Ridiculous. Yet they ignore the massive amount of avatars for male nerd-accepted brands... Of course.)

 

Grossness is where I draw the line. Grossness is where the general populace looks at the fandom and instead of seeing a group of grown men liking MLP for what it is, they see that they like it sexualized and violent... And let me tell you, that only works to confirm their culturally-imbued ideas that men shouldn't like things for girls.

 

If only the Brony fandom could have done the opposite... I wished... But some things can never change, I guess.

I don't think grossness account for that. I've never seen hate on pokemon, along their grossness and tied to beatiality too. not to mention technically minors characters

[NotoriousSMALL 1,984]

There's no such thing as an anti-brony, as in ones that actively "hate" on the fandom. I'm friends with several "anti-bronies" and they avoid the show and fandom like the plague and never talk about it, and only insult it and the fandom when it is brought up to them.

 

They don't give the show the chance because they see it as just another lame kid's show. I've heard them say it themselves "I don't need to watch it to know it's bad", they just automatically assume it's lame and believe bronies watch it for one of two reasons: to be a part of a counter culture or just to "fit in" with a "fad".  Therefore they don't want to be a part of a bunch of "nerds" and have no intention of being open-minded (for the lack of a better term).

 

There have been people who don't like it and watched it and still don't like it but that's just them. I would say it might be a bit biased because they go in thinking it's going to be dumb but I hear the "I was an anti-brony and I love the show" stories ALL THE TIME, so it can be said that the show is not for everybody.

[Vennax 58]

Nearly everybody knows of My Little Pony, and a lot of people just assume that its a show-to-sell-toys-girly-thing, this includes me before I saw the show for myself. Friendship Is Magic is quite different to the past versions of the show in a good, way, and lots of people just assume its the same, which it isn't. (Although sometimes the show can make me cringe )

 

I guess theres some who've seen the show and genuinely didn't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day its easier to hate on the show on the internet in 2 minutes than to watch an episode that's 22 minutes.

[Krampus 197]

It's just the way they are. They have no desire to watch this show and most of the time, they're "Anti-Brony" because they get a kick out of us reacting to their comments and actions in such an outgoing way. We, like most fandoms, love our show/game/whatever and get highly offended when someone criticizes it, so they capitalize on that to get reactions.

 

Other times, they just don't want to watch what we wanna watch. That's fine, uniqueness makes us human. If we were all the same, life would be boring. No use getting upset at the people who aren't fans.

 

Long story short, everyone's a critic.

[Lyme Soundstick 266]

I'm afraid stereotyping is a terrible thing. That then leads to others that try to fit in with their group that dislike the show and its fandom.

 

We've just got to not let them get to us, and we've done amazing at doing that so far!

[GuyNamedEarl 1,332]

People car too much whay others think of them and don't want to be seen as different for watching a stereotypically girl's show

Edited August 10, 2015 by GuyNamedEarl

[Abadon 69]

Prob because they think they're superior to the other ones. Prob because they think how watch a children's show are idiot. Prob because they think a person that enjoy being happy or watch this kind of show is unmature.Prob because they think that a human who is unmature is a inferior one.Prob because they dont have art sensibility or a open mind, or they're just being influenced by her/his friends/classmates and don't want to expose they truly ideas about the show.

 

Or other things, but I really hope they're on the last option, cause they can change they ideas and can be good friends when isolated.

 

[RivkaBobble 110]

Anti-Bronies look at MLP thinking, "A show about magical ponies, unicorns and pegasi discovering the 'magic' of friendship? Must be for three year olds." And then they don't even bother to look at it.

[TubeSock2018 325]

This is a misconception that absolutely must stop. It's also a question that should stop being asked. 

It will make you look bad for X reasons

 

1. Some people who are haters have already given the show a chance.

 

One example is the Anti-Brony Coalition, a YouTube/Facebook "organization".

This group's YouTube channel has commentary reviews. They'll watch the episode and criticize it as it plays.

And in pretty funny and acceptable ways. They make true points that I agree with, but don't damper my enjoyment of the show. 

To each their own; we all have opinions.

 

And the reason why people need to stop saying "Why can't anti-bronies give the show and/or fandom a chance" is because many have already given such a chance and by asking this question, it assumes that haters are ignorant and their hate comes from not having even given the show a chance.

Now, whether  they even gave the show/fandom a fair chance, is a completely different subject and entirely subjective. You can't prove they didn't give the show a fair chance, therefore it isn't worth mentioning. 

 

And like you said, some people have watched the show and disliked it. It's best to assume this is everyone's case. Unless you're 100% sure they haven't watched it, you shouldn't mention giving anything a chance. 

In the long run, it's better to assume the hater has watched the show/given the fandom a chance. 

 

2. It's a sign of insecurity.

 

Being called a man-child and autistic for watching a children's show should not bother you at all. 

Yes, cyber-bullying is a real thing and it can hurt, but most websites where people can communicate have provided tools to reduce the harm of cyber-bullying.

Block them.

YouTube, Facebook, instagram, twitter, etc. all have ways of dealing with people who bother you. These measures were enacted to stop cyber-bullying. 

So who cares if haters watch the show or not?

Why does it matter why Anti-Bronies can't give the show/fandom a chance? Why is it worth creating a forum post about it? Is someone harassing you, calling you a man-child online? Just block them or don't respond. 

By asking the question "why can't anti-bronies give the show a chance" you're giving them more importance than they deserve. It doesn't matter whether they give the show or fandom a chance. It affects me in no way and I've been insulted plenty of times. I've been called autistic for making pony related videos. I blocked them. I won't associate myself with such trash that stoops so low to offend people with autism by using that as an insult. It's simple.

 

The fandom, as a whole, needs to stop talking about Anti-Bronies. It's not important what they think and it's not important what they say. This question serves to keep them relevant and we oughta stop asking the question "why won't haters give it a chance?"

Edited August 11, 2015 by pollo20x6

[Commissar Alexer 763]

This fandom's victim complex is big as the furry ones.

 

No wonder everyone thinks you are furries too...

[CookieK 74]

Yeah I'm going to have to agree bronies have the biggest victim complexs in the world. At least other fandoms admit their faults and joke about them occasionally, bronies seem to just bully and harass anyone who brings up the fandom's faults.  

[Larkybird~ 734]

Honestly it's because the shows fandom can be freaking AWFUL sometimes.

It's negative half is incredibly vocal, far surpassing the "good" half and even the good ones can be insufferable.

And yeah bronies have a rather large victim complex. I don't care how 'nice' the fandom can be. You can't cover up how crappy the behavior is half the time these days.

Pushy bronies and gross bronies aren't the fandoms only issue. It's the ones who have to act whiny just because someone made fun of their precious little show. I apologize if this comes off as rude but seriously. Just get over it people. Every damned fandom gets hate. Stop acting like its something new or some crap like that.

[Dark Qiviut 22,173]

It's not pushy Bronies that are the problem. It's gross Bronies that are the problem.

Grossness is where I draw the line. Grossness is where the general populace looks at the fandom and instead of seeing a group of grown men liking MLP for what it is, they see that they like it sexualized and violent... And let me tell you, that only works to confirm their culturally-imbued ideas that men shouldn't like things for girls.

There's nothing gross or problematic about bronies who like, draw, write, or animate fan content full of gore, vore, and porn whatsoever. Liking really gross fanwork doesn't mean they don't like or appreciate the fan-friendly nature of the show. You have plenty of male bronies who like clop and gore and are as much of a positive contributor in society as those who don't. Bronies who like porn, gore, and vore are no more or less a brony than those who don't. Any non-brony or anti-brony who believes otherwise is displaying sexist bigotry and are no worse than the bronies and SJWs who whine about FIM R34.

 

BTW, there are female bronies who like and work on clop/vore/gore as much an male bronies. So instead of them being sexist, antifeminist assholes like the right-wing propagandists on Fox News, perhaps they should stop stereotyping and educate themselves about the fandom and people themselves?

 

 

 

Being called a man-child and autistic for watching a children's show should not bother you at all.

Yes, cyber-bullying is a real thing and it can hurt, but most websites where people can communicate have provided tools to reduce the harm of cyber-bullying.

Block them.

YouTube, Facebook, instagram, twitter, etc. all have ways of dealing with people who bother you.

These measures were enacted to stop cyber-bullying. So who cares if haters watch the show or not?

Why does it matter why Anti-Bronies can't give the show/fandom a chance? Why is it worth creating a forum post about it? Is someone harassing you, calling you a man-child online? Just block them or don't respond.

You don't fully understand how hurtful these slurs are. By saying these cyberbullies shouldn't bother you, you're telling them it's your fault you're being bullied and that you should toughen up. That's victim-blaming, and it makes no sense. Some people are more sensitive to insults than others, and that's okay. It means they have the ability to empathize. But what's not okay is tolerating bigots who resort to these slurs. Blocking them works in a way because they're not attacking you to your face, but it doesn't eliminate the problem. Instead, the troll either will try to do something worse to get a reaction from you or go after somebody else. Like "Don't feed the troll," blocking only passes the problem onto someone else. But even if they do block them, the insult remains in the victim's brain, and the feeling of pain isn't going to go away that fast. A grave insult like "autist" as an ableist slur by an anti-brony to a depressed brony may be enough for him or her to attempt suicide. Blocking them is a surface solution, but the best way is to stop tolerating the trolling, whether it's anti-bronies trolling bronies or trolls attacking people altogether.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Dark Qiviut

[RavenholmZombie 1,329]

I agree with both Commisar Alexer and CookieK.

 

Our fandom has a major victim complex. While most fandoms openly acknowledge and even joke about their faults. Whenever someone points out a flaw in our fandom, we take it as if they just stabbed our cat...

 

As for the topic at hand. Many so-called "Anti-Bronies" have given the show / fandom a chance. They most likely didn't like what they saw, it happens.

[cider float 2,535]

Yeah I'm going to have to agree bronies have the biggest victim complexs in the world. At least other fandoms admit their faults and joke about them occasionally, bronies seem to just bully and harass anyone who brings up the fandom's faults.

It's also weird how bronies hear one bad comment and then they act like a whole army is out to get them when in fact they're the ones ganging up on that one critic. It gets unbelievable.

 

I know this is the victimized generation but damn people need to use rational thought sometimes.

Edited August 11, 2015 by cider float

[Side Bird 565]

Depends on the person.

Some can accept it or other just yell neckbeard and grown man to try and insult people, while knowing nothing about the fandom.

[TubeSock2018 325]

There's nothing gross or problematic about bronies who like, draw, write, or animate fan content full of gore, vore, and porn whatsoever. Liking really gross fanwork doesn't mean they don't like or appreciate the fan-friendly nature of the show. You have plenty of male bronies who like clop and gore and are as much of a positive contributor in society as those who don't. Bronies who like porn, gore, and vore are no more or less a brony than those who don't. Any non-brony or anti-brony who believes otherwise is displaying sexist bigotry and are no worse than the bronies and SJWs who whine about FIM R34.

 

BTW, there are female bronies who like and work on clop/vore/gore as much an male bronies. So instead of them being sexist, antifeminist assholes like the right-wing propagandists on Fox News, perhaps they should stop stereotyping and educate themselves about the fandom and people themselves?

 

 

 

 

You don't fully understand how hurtful these slurs are. By saying these cyberbullies shouldn't bother you, you're telling them it's your fault you're being bullied and that you should toughen up. That's victim-blaming, and it makes no sense. Some people are more sensitive to insults than others, and that's okay. It means they have the ability to empathize. But what's not okay is tolerating bigots who resort to these slurs. Blocking them works in a way because they're not attacking you to your face, but it doesn't eliminate the problem. Instead, the troll either will try to do something worse to get a reaction from you or go after somebody else. Like "Don't feed the troll," blocking only passes the problem onto someone else. But even if they do block them, the insult remains in the victim's brain, and the feeling of pain isn't going to go away that fast. A grave insult like "autist" as an ableist slur by an anti-brony to a depressed brony may be enough for him or her to attempt suicide. Blocking them is a surface solution, but the best way is to stop tolerating the trolling, whether it's anti-bronies trolling bronies or trolls attacking people altogether.

I specifically said "Yes, cyber-bullying is a real thing and it can hurt"

I never said "toughen up".

 

I did say it shouldn't bother you because people have so many tools to avoid these people. All I recommended was, Use them

Victim blaming would be "Don't go around revealing you like My Little Pony or else you're asking for bullying".

Me saying, use the tools provided by these websites to avoid these types of people shouldn't be considered victim blaming.

Edited August 11, 2015 by pollo20x6

[Dark Qiviut 22,173]

Me saying, use the tools provided by these websites to avoid these types of people shouldn't be considered victim blaming.

That's not where the point of victim-blaming. The  victim-blaming was this (in bold):

 

I did say it shouldn't bother you because people have so many tools to avoid these people.

The tools to block and report them should be there. The problem is you saying their insults shouldn't bother them. You can't dictate what should bother them or not. People are individual, and they will react to things very differently. Many will react to "autistic" as a slur demeaning the mentally handicap, and many will be bothered to the point of feeling psychologically hurt. Even if you block them, those words will be etched into their conscience.

 

Anti-bronies should be blocked (and reported if trolling or bullying), and I highly recommend it, too. Unfortunately, that's not enough to combat the trolling, including the fact that anti-bronies love to troll bronies.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Dark Qiviut