ManaMinori 4,146 October 8, 2015 Share October 8, 2015 (edited) Specifically,the "magic of friendship". Back in "Magical Mystery Cure", Sunbutt said that purplesmart created a new magic- that being of friendship, which I'm still wondering how that works, if the 'magic' of friendship has always existed (and Twi would get all the credit for 'making' the magic, no thanks to any of the ponies she befriended) but i digress... Seems like if she was able to create this new magic (with help of friends), and said magic is by far more powerful than that of the magic of 4 alicorns- two of which can move celestial bodies, and one OP in raw magic ability, then why isn't she using this newly created magic of hers, instead of her old, unicorn / alicorn upgraded magic? Sure, we see the friendship magic get used for blasting bad guys, but what about in new spells, instead of old, pre-written spells by other unicorns? Can the friendship magic be used in such a way? (Though, with Twilight's track history with spells going haywire.....i DO worry what might happen if such a more powerful form of magic was used as a "quick fix") Admittedly, it might be nice to see ponies doing more research and experiments with the new type of magic. For example, if it's like basic unicorn magic, then Twi attempting to interchange the template of her new magic, with the template used in her old unicorn conjuring spellbooks. Or why not mntoring Rarity to use stronger magic? Edited October 8, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin 1 Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manic 121 October 8, 2015 Share October 8, 2015 She only finished Starswirl's spell, and apparently harnessed the magic of friendship, not created it. I'd say that in every episode, it IS the MoF (magic of friendship) that's helping them out in little ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redacted321 105 October 8, 2015 Share October 8, 2015 (edited) the writers realized she was to op and nerfed her. A more cannon friendly answer could be new magic is really hard to form as a magical manifestation, think of a spell written, spoken or even thought words as the frame work, the form and the magic twilight has to conjure, still is largely a mystery even to her, so she'd need to find a way to conjure the new type magic at will as well as create spells that use that magic, it'd probably take generations to get a spell library as big and varied as the ones we see begin used by the unicorns. Edited October 10, 2015 by Dxnill 1 "Walking with a friend in the dark is better than walking alone in the light." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLPFanatic34 3,241 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 She simply created a spell with the magic of friendship, but her spells she's using still help out everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duderino 879 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 Just because she has this new magic, doesn't mean her old magic us useless and outdated. Maybe? 1 My ponysona/OC: https://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/treble-r8882 Check out my Soundcloud too: https://soundcloud.com/colton-paul-crawford DeviantArt: http://scottish-bastard.deviantart.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RarityFan01 2,444 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 Why do inventors still use things that are already made instead of using things they invented? Besides, she never created a spell. She finished one. I think the only mane six pony to actually create a spell (Although unintentionally) was Rarity. Unicorns typically have magic for what their cutie mark is, so technically, Rarity's cutie mark created a spell. The reason Twilight's didn't is because there really isn't a spell for magic. I mean magic is magic. So Twilight has never created a spell, and none of the Mane Six has ever intentionally created a spell. Twilight finished a spell, (One that, to this day, I am still trying to figure out the purpose of that spell) Which was great. It made her a princess and all. But no, never created a spell. Her achievements are exaggerated. (I think Twilight would agree with me on that, so it's not Twilight hate.) Maybe some time in the future, she will create her own spell, but I think there's so much magic that she can find a spell that suits any need. I think there would be an entire episode on that if that became a problem. So Twilight has never created a spell, and even if she did, that doesn't mean she can write spells for everything. It also doesn't mean that she would want to go through all that trouble to create spells when ones that work already exist. 1 Rarity Fan Club My Ponysona My Drawing of Rarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,539 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 (edited) Twilight's strongest point in magic is being able to learn spells faster than other unicorns. This is thanks to her developing learning techniques since a filly. She shows this when she was trying to use multiple ways to teach Rainbow Dash, how she learns spells that took years to master in a flash, how she could learn Sombra's spell from Celestia just at one glance, how she is so obsessed with schoolwork and paperwork, how she loves to read books, how in a flash she learned how to develop a mechanism to go to the Equestria Girls dimension from studying and figuring out the mirror/diary mechanism etc. Maybe in the future she will come up with spells of her own but for now she is the best at learning them not making them. Just because other ponies invent new spells doesn't mean they're better though as you can see with how Starswirl not knowing how to use his spell. Edited October 9, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownFry 169 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 (edited) Probably because writing spells is incredibly difficult, and the fact that friendship magic operates differently from the other branches of magic compounds the fact. Maybe one day she will reach a point where she will be able to create spells of her own, but I don't see a need to rush it as the current spells and magic that exists seems to be extensive to the point of seemingly being a spell for almost every situation. However Twilight was the one that completed the spell so that is why she got credit for it in MMC. Her friends were useful in helping her fix the mess she unintentionally made but that did not complete the spell. Edited October 9, 2015 by UnknownFry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Fox 5,952 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 Wasn't the new magic she created the Rainbow Power from S4? Happy minion of The Fabulous One! Signature by Midnightive Check out my blog! https://mlpforums.com/blog/1083-sunny-side-den/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,146 October 9, 2015 Author Share October 9, 2015 Wasn't the new magic she created the Rainbow Power from S4?she did. And I'm still wondering how this magic is different from what the physical elements of Harmony's magic. Because at some point, Sunbutt and Luna used the physical elements too, so if the magic from the elements is the same, then wouldn't the older alicorns created the magic, first? She only finished Starswirl's spell, and apparently harnessed the magic of friendship, not created it. I'd say that in every episode, it IS the MoF (magic of friendship) that's helping them out in little ways. but during her ascension (might've been during her princess coronation scene), I remember Sunbutt saying that Twi CREATED the new magic, not just discovered it. I know the MoF is seen in every episode. I just wonder if it could be harnesses, like unicorn magic, in the form of souped up spells, from text. I mean, it is still magic.... i writers realized she was to op and nerfed her. A more cannon friendly answer could be new magic is really hard to form as a magical manifestation, think of a spell written, spoken or even thought words as the frame work, the form and the magic twilight has to conjure, still is largely a mystery even to her, so she'd need to find a way to conjure the new type magic at will as well as create spells that use that magic, it'd probably take generations to get a spell library as big and varied as the ones we see begin used by the unicorns. she was op from the start, by all logic. Did you miss "cutie mark chronicles", and how op she was, just as a foal? Yean, I suppose you're right, with it being brand new magic, and all (though, as I said, the "magic" of friendship had to have been around, from the start, since, yanno, the concept of friendship among ponies didn't just start happenning when Twi was born) but with Purplesmart and the audience being straight up told that the magic of friendship was created by her, I would think that Twi, at the least, ws able to truly harness the friendship magic by, through Starswirl's spell as a base template, and has yet to try and utilize the friendship magic through active spells, rather than it acting as an almost sentient force that doesn't work through her horn, but just works through the tree of harmony and cutie map. 1 Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manic 121 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 but during her ascension (might've been during her princess coronation scene), I remember Sunbutt saying that Twi CREATED the new magic, not just discovered it. I know the MoF is seen in every episode. I just wonder if it could be harnesses, like unicorn magic, in the form of souped up spells, from text. I mean, it is still magic.... Well, from what I've seen, there seem to be three 'types' or natures of pony magic: 1 - The innate Earth/Pegasus 'magic' that for eg. enables pegasi to walk on clouds (arguable) 2 - The spells that certain unicorns cast that require incantations and do very specific things eg. Twiley's Starswirl spell 3 - 'Manipulative' fluid magic eg. Unicorn telekinesis. Now the third one seems to be more like "The Force" in Star Wars, as in they can manipulate energy, or use it in interesting ways, and seems more instinctual than learned/cast. Or like Mutant powers in the X-men. Eg. Twilight when she's first starting to teleport seems to exert effort but not actively incant anything, and when she's mad in Lesson Zero, she just poofs here and there without seeming to think about it.So maybe she just 'powered up' as a result of Starswirl's spell, and her increased power levels are the ongoing effect of said spell. So it's more like, it's always in effect vs having to cast it again and again. It was a very high level spell, so I'm guessing maybe it created some sort of permanent effect as opposed to "hmm, I guess i'll cast this spell now". As for it being the Creation of New magic as opposed to discovering it, it appears that Starswirl failed to create the spell because he did not understand/harness the magic of friendship. Twiley did, and therefore is the creator of the whole spell. If I tried to invent say... a teleporting machine (or whatever), and I get pretty far but fail, and then later on somebody else manages it, I'm not the creator, the guy who managed to finish the project is. So I'd say that Twilight is indeed the creator of new magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlikeable Pony 2,700 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 Well, from what I've seen, there seem to be three 'types' or natures of pony magic: 1 - The innate Earth/Pegasus 'magic' that for eg. enables pegasi to walk on clouds (arguable) Sadly, Earth ponies really get the short end of the stick here, as without being outright told they have magic, you pretty much would think they have nothing XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untitled Goose Q 5,138 October 9, 2015 Share October 9, 2015 1 - The innate Earth/Pegasus 'magic' that for eg. enables pegasi to walk on clouds (arguable) Unicorns have it too, I think Cutie Marks are part of what that innate magic does. On 4/22/2016 at 6:16 PM, The Nightly Spectre said: One does not ask why The Questioner is awesome. One should instead ask their gods if they ever compare to the awesomeness of the one and only Questioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,146 October 9, 2015 Author Share October 9, 2015 Sadly, Earth ponies really get the short end of the stick here, as without being outright told they have magic, you pretty much would think they have nothing XDearth ponies are the only ones who can grow food and manage the earth better. So without the earth ponies, pegasi and unicorns would starve (see "Hearthswarming Eve")But back on topic... Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlikeable Pony 2,700 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 earth ponies are the only ones who can grow food and manage the earth better. So without the earth ponies, pegasi and unicorns would starve (see "Hearthswarming Eve") But back on topic... The issue is "Being able to grow food" is a 100% mundane skill available to humans, and earth ponies haven't been shown to have plant control of a noticeable degree (ironic considering the deer in the comics are leaps and bounds ahead of earth ponies in plant affinity and control XD). So the argument that its only because they're magic that they can grow plants would be like telling a human that breathing air is magical XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,146 October 10, 2015 Author Share October 10, 2015 The issue is "Being able to grow food" is a 100% mundane skill available to humans, and earth ponies haven't been shown to have plant control of a noticeable degree (ironic considering the deer in the comics are leaps and bounds ahead of earth ponies in plant affinity and control XD). So the argument that its only because they're magic that they can grow plants would be like telling a human that breathing air is magical XD where did you get humans thrown in here? Growing food isn't a mundane skill in Equestria, though Hm why would the pegasi and unicorns feel the need to get their food from Earth ponies, if it were? And why, if it was a mundane skill through all 3 races, do we never see pegasi or unicorn farmers, like Pinkie's family, who are earth pnies who run a rock farm, Cherry Jubilee, an earth pony with cherry orchids, Apple Jack, an earth pony who manages an apple farm... Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlikeable Pony 2,700 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 where did you get humans thrown in here? Growing food isn't a mundane skill in Equestria, though Hm why would the pegasi and unicorns feel the need to get their food from Earth ponies, if it were? And why, if it was a mundane skill through all 3 races, do we never see pegasi or unicorn farmers, like Pinkie's family, who are earth pnies who run a rock farm, Cherry Jubilee, an earth pony with cherry orchids, Apple Jack, an earth pony who manages an apple farm... I'm throwing it in because To wow humans that something is "magical" it usually has to be something that is impossible via the laws of science or for normal biological beings to do. Claiming that growing food is magical is much like a person claiming that a hot air balloon works by magic or whatnot; Its something very mundane being presented as magical, so its not really impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,146 October 10, 2015 Author Share October 10, 2015 I'm throwing it in because To wow humans that something is "magical" it usually has to be something that is impossible via the laws of science or for normal biological beings to do. Claiming that growing food is magical is much like a person claiming that a hot air balloon works by magic or whatnot; Its something very mundane being presented as magical, so its not really impressive. it's magical in Equestria, because the earth ponies, unlike the others, have a more magical connection to the earth...becaus they're earth ponies. If you have a magical connection to the earth, then woulc it not stand to reason that you'd be able to grow food faster and better, and maybe even healthier, than other races that don't have said connection, or might not know as much to bother with growing their own food, when ponies who capitalze on it and do have more know-how, can do it better than your race? Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manic 121 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 (edited) it's magical in Equestria, because the earth ponies, unlike the others, have a more magical connection to the earth...becaus they're earth ponies. If you have a magical connection to the earth, then woulc it not stand to reason that you'd be able to grow food faster and better, and maybe even healthier, than other races that don't have said connection, or might not know as much to bother with growing their own food, when ponies who capitalze on it and do have more know-how, can do it better than your race? I think you could argue that Granny Smith's Zap Apple Juice methods are magical, of sorts.It's ritualistic, at the least. p.s. It seems the Apple family has a lot of costumes sitting around. Edited October 10, 2015 by manic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,539 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 (edited) I don't see what the problem is. Celestia wasn't the one that came up with the sun raising spell either as unicorns have been doing it for a long time before she was born or existed. Edited October 10, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero 63 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 She didn't actually create magic, did she? I thought she only finished a spell. 1 Never give up. When you lose a life, hit continue and try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manic 121 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 She didn't actually create magic, did she? I thought she only finished a spell. Well, as I mentioned in an earlier post, if I attempt to invent say, a hoverboard, but I fail, and then someone comes along and completes it, he's the creator of the hoverboard, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinter 3,064 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 Twi works on spells all the time. She normally tries to make a spell that solves a specifc problem. For example, Applebloom asked Twilight if she could make a fake cutie mark and she had a crack at it on the fly, with no prep or anything XD. She also tries to upgrade existing spells to stronger variants as seen with her testing transforming objects into other objects. Also the magic she "created" requires her friends to be with her as a catalyst for it to work. She can't use it on her own, Just as she couldn't use the Elements of Harmony alone. My OC's: Malinter, Rahl, Vengeful impact & alias-the-marked-one First fic i've written since forever here Skype: Malinter@Outlook.com "Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier." most legendary quote ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,146 October 10, 2015 Author Share October 10, 2015 Twi works on spells all the time. She normally tries to make a spell that solves a specifc problem. For example, Applebloom asked Twilight if she could make a fake cutie mark and she had a crack at it on the fly, with no prep or anything XD. She also tries to upgrade existing spells to stronger variants as seen with her testing transforming objects into other objects. Also the magic she "created" requires her friends to be with her as a catalyst for it to work. She can't use it on her own, Just as she couldn't use the Elements of Harmony alone. I'm unsure if Twi really created that spell, especially on the fly. Magic she does on the fly, as a quick fix turns out disastrous. Yet, it didn't with Apple Bloom. So it's possible that it was aspell written by someone else. Likely, Starswirl, who just about wrote all the spells. It would hardly be surprising, seeing as how the very spell Twi completed also involved cutie marks and the alteration of tgem Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavelColt 22,883 October 10, 2015 Share October 10, 2015 Why would you need to re-invent the wheel? Just because you know how to build buildings doesn't mean you make yourself a new house every day. Probably a better analogy but the point is there are spells that already exist for most things, from levitation to teleporting, all of which work perfectly fine, so why would Twilight need to spend time and energy inventing new spells all the time when she has 'princessy things' to be doing? :3 Just because she created new magic doesn't mean that's suddenly a life goal of hers as a princess or as a user of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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