MLP rating hypocrisy (specualtions and discussion are possible)

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Have you ever noticed the hypocrisy, when it comes to MLP rating?

Like, they aren't allowed to show mild violence, intimate scenes aside from two or three kisses for 4,5 seasons, and strong language, but they easily allowed to show:

1)Discrimination

2)Racism

3)Crushing poverty

4)Concentrational camps

5)Tortures

6)Murder

7)Tyranny

8)Brainwashing

9)Fascist state

10)Alcohol and drug usage

11)Genocide

Can anyone answer that? Because I can't see an answer so far.

[Stardust* 3,302]

First I would like to see your proof, with links and descriptions for each thing you listed. 

 

Second, if there is any of that in the show it is minutiae and there is a lesson to be learned from it. Obviously. ... 

 

Third... there are so many other cartoons out there that are less strict than the writers of MLP: FiM some cartoons get away with so much more than that and it is still rated G. 

[Silver Stream. 708]

Nothing new in my opinion. Half of what you listed is in countless other "kid shows" as well. I can see what you mean about only a few of those things and can agree with those only. But I wouldn't point those just at with mlp

 

Those things has been in our shows for years though. Heck...Looney Tunes exposed most of this crap way before any cartoon. Only difference they weren't afraid to show guns

Edited October 24, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

Wow. You have an extremely vivid imagination.

[Vixor 80]

Have you ever noticed the hypocrisy, when it comes to MLP rating?

Like, they aren't allowed to show mild violence, intimate scenes aside from two or three kisses for 4,5 seasons, and strong language, but they easily allowed to show:

1)Discrimination

2)Racism

3)Crushing poverty

4)Concentrational camps

5)Tortures

6)Murder

7)Tyranny

8)Brainwashing

9)Fascist state

10)Alcohol and drug usage

11)Genocide

Can anyone answer that? Because I can't see an answer so far.

 

What...? Now here's the thing... NONE of those things are in the show, and I couldn't possibly fathom where you got the idea that they somehow were. It's like you went and read some horribly grimdark fanfic and somehow confused it with the show. 

 

And before you try to mention racism because of Zecora, keep in mind that they were afraid of her because they were fearful she was an evil enchantress, given that she was this mysterious cloaked figure from the everfree forest, not because she was a zebra. Once it was revealed that she wasn't in fact some sort of malevolent witch who was plotting something bad, the ponies were very welcoming and friendly to her.

 

Equestria isn't totally perfect, and it's not as though there is never any conflict whatsoever, but it's still a very nice and benevolent place where things like friendship, love, etc are very important and held in high regard and such. Hard to pick the right way to word that right, but you get the idea.

Edited October 24, 2015 by Vixor

[Silver Stream. 708]

What...? Now here's the thing... NONE of those things are in the show, and I couldn't possibly fathom where you got the idea that they somehow were. It's like you went and read some horribly grimdark fanfic and somehow confused it with the show. 

 

And before you try to mention racism because of Zecora, keep in mind that they were afraid of her because they were fearful she was an evil enchantress, given that she was this mysterious cloaked figure from the everfree forest, not because she was a zebra. Once it was revealed that she wasn't in fact some sort of malevolent witch who was plotting something bad, the ponies were very welcoming and friendly to her.

 

Equestria isn't totally perfect, and it's not as though there is never any conflict whatsoever, but it's still a very nice and benevolent place where things like friendship, love, etc are very important and held in high regard and such. Hard to pick the right way to word that right, but you get the idea.

Actually, I wouldn't go as far to saying that none of what she mentioned isn't in the show. Because I can give a few examples.

 

My opinion stands regardless: the show isn't dark itself and it shouldn't be so harshly judged based on what it contains because plenty of cartoons have included these things but not to an "obvious" level.

 

Brainwashing is in The Cutie Map. Manipulation is literally everywhere from Rarity to plenty of villains.

 

Murder is a strong word though...but if you think about it: The Result of Eternal night from Nightmare Moon would have been deadly. No sunlight, no crops meaning slow starvation for the ponies...well all life.

 

Also, the vampire fruitbats would have died from starvation as well since Twilight stripped away their instincts to eat fruit because they do that to survive.

 

And who knows what Tirek would have done by draining all magic. The Pegasi wouldn't be able to control weather...the earth ponies losing their strength and excellent know how to grow food...and unicorns losing their magic. The world would be under his control and he might have went further to even destroy any that got in how way.

 

Alcohol and drug usage....that isn't something I'm sure of. Pretty sure that doesn't happen, but they do have jokes around it in the episode. Hint hint: when Pinkie Pie joked about the punch being "spiked"

 

 

Now the rest? Huh....I wouldn't think so. I'm simply saying that A LITTLE of what was listed is sort of in there.

 

Self harm was super obvious in "Do Princess Dream of Magic Sheep".

 

Tyranny is there as well....with the reign of Sombra. The fear those crystal ponies had was too much....makes me afraid of how harsh and evil of a leader he was

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What...? Now here's the thing... NONE of those things are in the show, and I couldn't possibly fathom where you got the idea that they somehow were. It's like you went and read some horribly grimdark fanfic and somehow confused it with the show. 

 

And before you try to mention racism because of Zecora, keep in mind that they were afraid of her because they were fearful she was an evil enchantress, given that she was this mysterious cloaked figure from the everfree forest, not because she was a zebra. Once it was revealed that she wasn't in fact some sort of malevolent witch who was plotting something bad, the ponies were very welcoming and friendly to her.

 

Equestria isn't totally perfect, and it's not as though there is never any conflict whatsoever, but it's still a very nice and benevolent place where things like friendship, love, etc are very important and held in high regard and such. Hard to pick the right way to word that right, but you get the idea.

 

Wow. You have an extremely vivid imagination.

 

First I would like to see your proof, with links and descriptions for each thing you listed. 

 

Second, if there is any of that in the show it is minutiae and there is a lesson to be learned from it. Obviously. ... 

 

Third... there are so many other cartoons out there that are less strict than the writers of MLP: FiM some cartoons get away with so much more than that and it is still rated G. 

1 and 2

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FantasticRacism/WesternAnimation

Read My little pony entry.

3)If they don't have money for a stupid playground, they don't have money to support poor and homelessness.

4)Starlight's village, Sombra's reign

5)Trixie's reign, Starlight's village

6)Sombra's death

7)Sombra and Celestria

8)Starlight's village

9)Sombra's reign, Discord's reign, Starlight's village

10)Berry Punch, Tree Hugger

11)Crystal ponies during Sombra's reign

 

And today's episode featured that incest is canon

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

1 and 2

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FantasticRacism/WesternAnimation

Read My little pony entry.

3)If they don't have money for a stupid playground, they don't have money to support poor and homelessness.

4)Starlight's village, Sombra's reign

5)Trixie's reign, Starlight's village

6)Sombra's death

7)Sombra and Celestria

8)Starlight's village

9)Sombra's reign, Discord's reign, Starlight's village

10)Berry Punch, Tree Hugger

11)Crystal ponies during Sombra's reign

 

And today's episode featured that incest is canon

For the love of (insert deity here) please preach to me about how cartoons are corrupting the youth with absolutely no evidence to back up the claim, and that kids should only be watching government created programming deemed safe for viewing.

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For the love of (insert deity here) please preach to me about how cartoons are corrupting the youth with absolutely no evidence to back up the claim, and that kids should only be watching government created programming deemed safe for viewing.

I don't care about what kids should be watching. I'm talking about hypocrisy, nothing else.

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

I don't care about what kids should be watching. I'm talking about hypocrisy, nothing else.

There's no hypocrisy on the ratings. Tytropes is the last place I'd look for facts about anything..... It's all over sensitive opinionated garbage (much like this topic). There is a distinct lack of homelessness portrayed. Star lights village doesn't depict communism. It depicts a religion (very on the nose I might add). Sombras reign was shown in a few seconds, and happened in a much much ealier time than the actual show is taking place, which is much like our world.... Slavery in America was once a thing, but we don't not teach our children about it.

 

Trixie didn't have a reign..... If anything it depicts bullying, and maybe domestic terrorism, but not to the extent that the ratings should be affected. Sombra isn't dead in canon... It's only an assumption. No blood, no gore. Discards reign, same as Sombras.

 

Tree hugger doesn't do drugs on screen. Apple Cider isn't canon as alcoholic. You are assuming way too much, and from what I gather you are delibritely bending the truth in order to make a false point. The ratings are not hypocritical. Period. End of story.

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There's no hypocrisy on the ratings. Tytropes is the last place I'd look for facts about anything..... It's all over sensitive opinionated garbage (much like this topic). There is a distinct lack of homelessness portrayed. Star lights village doesn't depict communism. It depicts a religion (very on the nose I might add). Sombras reign was shown in a few seconds, and happened in a much much ealier time than the actual show is taking place, which is much like our world.... Slavery in America was once a thing, but we don't not teach our children about it.

 

Trixie didn't have a reign..... If anything it depicts bullying, and maybe domestic terrorism, but not to the extent that the ratings should be affected. Sombra isn't dead in canon... It's only an assumption. No blood, no gore. Discards reign, same as Sombras.

 

Tree hugger doesn't do drugs on screen. Apple Cider isn't canon as alcoholic. You are assuming way too much, and from what I gather you are delibritely bending the truth in order to make a false point. The ratings are not hypocritical. Period. End of story.

I see the show and I see what is going on there. If I was assuming way too much, I'd have stated that every episode features group rape and massacres, just behind the scenes. I'm just telling what it obvious. Not making this up.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

3)If they don't have money for a stupid playground, they don't have money to support poor and homelessness.

 

It was the school that had no money to build a new playground, I'm sure that Equestria have more than enough money to support both poor and homeless ponies.  

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It was the school that had no money to build a new playground, I'm sure that Equestria have more than enough money to support both poor and homeless ponies.  

If Equestria had enough money, there wouldn't have been poor and homeless. And yet, there are a lot of them.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

If Equestria had enough money, there wouldn't have been poor and homeless. And yet, there are a lot of them.

Would you be able to show me some kind of proof of this? 

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Would you be able to show me some kind of proof of this? 

https://derpibooru.org/988541?scope=scpeb86c15f2984e098827ef7990723b56c6c9189f99

Take a look at this link, and the description.

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1 and 2 http://tvtropes.org/...esternAnimationRead My little pony entry. 3)If they don't have money for a stupid playground, they don't have money to support poor and homelessness. 4)Starlight's village, Sombra's reign 5)Trixie's reign, Starlight's village 6)Sombra's death 7)Sombra and Celestria 8)Starlight's village 9)Sombra's reign, Discord's reign, Starlight's village 10)Berry Punch, Tree Hugger 11)Crystal ponies during Sombra's reign

Yes, how dare they put conflict in a story. It's like they're trying to make the show interesting, or something.

Edited October 24, 2015 by SpaceOnion

[Megas 27,786]

Have you ever noticed the hypocrisy, when it comes to MLP rating?

Like, they aren't allowed to show mild violence, intimate scenes aside from two or three kisses for 4,5 seasons, and strong language, but they easily allowed to show:

1)Discrimination

2)Racism

3)Crushing poverty

4)Concentrational camps

5)Tortures

6)Murder

7)Tyranny

8)Brainwashing

9)Fascist state

10)Alcohol and drug usage

11)Genocide

Can anyone answer that? Because I can't see an answer so far.

 

It sounds like your deliberately making these worse than they really are, especially when most of these are either blatant lies or have existed in children's media for ages

 

1/2) Racism/Discrimination - closest thing we ever got to discrimination/racism was in the HWE play, and that was to tell everyone that they should ban together and be friends. And as for Zecora, as someone already said, they were afraid of her because they thought she was an evil witch, and the immediately changed their tune once they realized they were wrong(and anyone who seriously believes this episode is racist then they're full of shit)

3) Crushing poverty - It's common to see poor people on almost every children's show. I'm sorry they try to display a real life occurance

4) Concentration Camps - Assuming you mean slavery, only happened once, and that's because Sombra was evil. Again, happens all the time in children's media, bad guy becomes leader and enslaves a group

5) Torture - Blatant lie, this never happened

6) Murder - Another blatant lie

7) Tyranny - Gee, an evil king/queen/leader! Haven't seen that in children's media before!

8) Brainwashing - Again, common in other children's media

9) Alcohol and Drug use - Again, this has never happened, unless your one of those guys who thinks apple cider is alcoholic(there's alcohol and non-alcoholic cider. I think it's safe to assume the latter is true)

10) Genocide - Again, NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED

 

I'm sorry the show doesn't display some pure, perfect, happy little utopia that you're so obsessed about, but this is getting ridiculous. I'm sorry you don't enjoy the show but please think about the garbage your saying, especially when most of it is based on lies and lack of context and the fact that you get offended way too easily

Edited October 24, 2015 by Coop

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

https://derpibooru.org/988541?scope=scpeb86c15f2984e098827ef7990723b56c6c9189f99

Take a look at this link, and the description.

How about you read the comments? Some of them explain why this doesn't make homeless ponies canon. 

Like this one:

 I’m not saying I’d be surprised or disillusioned if there was homelessness in Equestria (we’ve already seen disability in the form of the Make A Wish pony in Trade Ya), but during Lent and Advent our church serves soup and sandwiches after the Wednesday AM services and before the PM services. Looks pretty much just like this.

 

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It sounds like your deliberately making these worse than they really are, especially when most of these are either blatant lies or have existed in children's media for ages

 

1/2) Racism/Discrimination - closest thing we ever got to discrimination/racism was in the HWE play, and that was to tell everyone that they should ban together and be friends. And as for Zecora, as someone already said, they were afraid of her because they thought she was an evil witch, and the immediately changed their tune once they realized they were wrong(and anyone who seriously believes this episode is racist then they're full of shit)

 

3) Crushing poverty - It's common to see poor people on almost every children's show. I'm sorry they try to display a real life occurance

4) Concentration Camps - This is a blatant lie, where in this show have there ever been a concentration camp?

5) Torture - Another blatant lie

6) Murder - Another blatant lie

7) Tyranny - Gee, an evil king/queen/leader! Haven't seen that in children's media before!

8) Brainwashing - Again, common in other children's media

9) Alcohol and Drug use - Again, this has never happened, unless your one of those guys who thinks apple cider is alcoholic(there's alcohol and non-alcoholic cider. I think it's safe to assume the latter is true)

10) Genocide - Again, NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED

 

I'm sorry the show doesn't display some pure, perfect, happy little utopia that you're so obsessed about, but this is getting ridiculous. I'm sorry you don't enjoy the show but please think about the garbage your saying, especially when most of it is based on lies and lack of context

If you're answering, then read what I wrote after the first post.

1 and 2

http://tvtropes.org/...esternAnimation

Read My little pony entry.

3)If they don't have money for a stupid playground, they don't have money to support poor and homelessness.

4)Starlight's village, Sombra's reign

5)Trixie's reign, Starlight's village

6)Sombra's death

7)Sombra and Celestria

8)Starlight's village

9)Sombra's reign, Discord's reign, Starlight's village

10)Berry Punch, Tree Hugger

11)Crystal ponies during Sombra's reign

 

And today's episode featured that incest is canon

How about you read the comments? Some of them explain why this doesn't make homeless ponies canon. 

Like this one:

Comments are wrong. Simple as that.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Comments are wrong. Simple as that.

Could you perhaps explain why they are wrong then? 

Edited October 24, 2015 by Yamet

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Could you perhaps explain why they are wrong then? 

Because nobody will give you food for free, unless you're homeless, or during some sort of a festival, or big celebration. And there were none, in that episode.

Plus, look at his cutie mark. His destiny is begging for food.

[Stardust* 3,302]

Rebuttal for your examples. 

 

for your 1 and 2... that post is complete rubbish. All they are going on about is how in the PONY world there are others that come in and yes, some of them are evil and trying to take over the pony race! However! after dealing with them and beginning to understand them like Discord they grow to care for them, which they have proven can be hard. But what is even harder to believe is that a pony like Starlight would want to take over the pony race even though she is a pony herself.

 

Being bad or good has nothing to do with race or discrimination it comes down to greed. Sombra was a pony, he wanted complete control, that is because of greed. Discord was not necessarily  evil, he just liked to mess things up because he is the spirit of chaos. He liked things his way but over time grew to be a very close member of the pony family. 

 

Zacora was feared because she was a little different, but many people are scared of strange and different. If she had moved into ponyville instead of lived in the Everfree forest she would have probably been welcomed with open arms. HOWEVER because she lives in the Everfree forest which has always feared the ponies of ponyville they were not too sure about her. They didn't know who or what type of pony she was. NONE of it is discrimination or racism, it is based off of fear, simple, and they learned along the way to overcome that fear and to embrace others who are different. 

 

As for Gilda, she was rude right off the bat, but later on we learn why. It was not because she was evil but because of what her race had been through. 

 

Dragons, simple, they breath fire, they fly, they have claws, and they horde all of the treasure and jewels. Look at what happened to Spike when he started to receive gifts for his birthday, he grew into an out of control dragon because he went with his primal instincts. That is like saying dogs are bad because they used to be wild wolves, if we fed that wild instinct then any dog would revert to that and it would be dangerous. 

 

number 3, you think that just because a school can't afford a new playground that they can't feed the homeless and therefore they are all in poverty? 

-Look at Ponyville, there are NO homeless ponies, even in Manehatten there are no homeless ponies. 

-School budgets even in real life don't have the funds to get new text books let alone new playground equipment. That all comes down to donations or other funds that the school can get through having car washes, food drives, etc. 

 

number 4, you think that Starlight's village and Sombra's reign had concentration camps huh? 

-Starlight's village, this was a place where ponies chose to go, they had lost hope and thought that this would be a better way to deal with it. Sombra's reign, he enslaved the ponies to work for him, they lost hope as well once their heart thingy was missing. They thought that Sombra was their king, they knew no different. 

-you need to look up what a concentration camp really is, because this was not it at all, they might have been confused and not understand what was happening while it was going on, but they were still housed, fed, and had options, as small as they were, they had families and other things. 

-They were not starving, dying in the streets or watching their loved ones die. They were under a spell that made them think that this is what life was like. 

 

number 5, you think that Trixie and Starlight were torturers?? Really... Trixie????

-Starlight was NOT torturing the ponies, read what I posted under number 4 again if you must. 

-Trixie... was humiliated the first time she came around, she was not torturing the ponies the second time around. Did she put Applejack in a bloody torture device??? No, she tickled her with a feather, shows how tough Trixie is don't it? She was obsessed with being a better unicorn than Twilight, comes down to power once again. 

 

number 6, Sombra was murdered huh? 

-Cuz from what I took away from that episode was that he was not even back to full power and was still smoke? something like that. He had already been banished, and when he finally came to his full form he was engulfed in LOVE, his evil magic and evil mind was surrounded by love... so sure go ahead say he was murdered. he was killed by LOVE. We don't know what happened to him other than the fact you can see his horn cover fling across the screen. He might have been banished and his horn cover might have flown off, he could have been reborn as a colt or something. We simply do NOT know what happened to him, everyone always assumes that he dies, we don't know that. 

 

number 7, tyranny, have you looked up that definition as well?  

-Sombra was a coward and fed off of the love of the Crystal Ponies. He was a dictator, plane and simple, took it by force. 

-Celestia, seriously???? So back in the day when kings and queens ruled the lands was that tyranny? No, that was order, and that is how some countries still run things. Granted there are those who are appointed to help run the government but it is still ruled by kings and queens and they are loved, beyond loved by their subjects. Celestia, Luna, Cadence, and Twilight are beyond loved by all the ponies. 

 

number 8, you think Starlight's village was brainwashing, I will give you partial credit for that. 

-They might have been in that room until they complied with the ways of the town but they were of their own mind, look at the ponies that helped out the main 6. They knew something was wrong and they could feel it, they wanted their cutie mark back even though they knew that it wasn't possible. But look at different cults and other things in the real world. People say that mass religion is just brain washing, but everyone is of their own sound mind. 

-Brainwashing is when you have no control of your own mind. The ponies were doing what they were told to do to keep them happy, they wanted to be happy and be wanted and needed because they didn't feel needed where they where. 

 

number 9, okay... you can't call Sombra's reign tyranny and fascist... and Discord?... really? 

-Sombra is a dictator, we have already established that. done. 

-Discord: this is the musical definition of discord, and this is what I am pretty sure what the show went with. lack of harmony between notes sounding together

- - Discord is the spirit of chaos, he likes things in disorder, he likes things to be messy and "fun" he is not a dictator or did he rule in a fascist state. period.

-Starlight is less of a dictator than Sombra because she didn't rule out of fear, she truly thought she was going to bring harmony to Equestria by eliminating cutie marks and being different. She is the "racist"...

 

number 10, Berry Punch and Tree Hugger huh? the drunk and drug user of Equestria. wow.

-okay... Berry Punch is hardly even seen in any episodes, and the parts that I have seen there is no indication that she is a lush. so... once again the proof is no where to be found. 

-Tree Hugger is not a drug addict. If she were, there would be signs of it, bloodshot eyes, not being able to have coherent conversations and being hungry... obviously you were talking about marijuana because of her slow speaking and her outlook on life. Just because she is a bit different and cares about the environment and all things natural does not mean she is a drug addict... 

 

And finally number 11. You think that Sombra's reign over the crystal ponies was genocide. 

Look at the definition of genocide.

 

Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation

 

No ponies were killed under his reign, he made them work, he did not just take over and then mass kill everypony. 

 

 

 

Okay... I have said what needed to be said. 

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Because nobody will give you food for free, unless you're homeless, or during some sort of a festival, or big celebration. And there were none, in that episode.

Plus, look at his cutie mark. His destiny is begging for food.

I've gotten food for free several times, most of those times were not during a festival or a big celebration. And I'm not homeless. 

 

Also, who died and gave you the right to say what ponies cutie mark represents? Perhaps he just likes food or something like that, 

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

Have you ever noticed the hypocrisy, when it comes to MLP rating?

Like, they aren't allowed to show mild violence, intimate scenes aside from two or three kisses for 4,5 seasons, and strong language,

 

Violence:

 

 

intimate scenes, pretty much what you said and that's enough.

 

Stronge language:

 

 

So yeah, these things DID happen.

[Megas 27,786]

If you're answering, then read what I wrote after the first post.

1 and 2

http://tvtropes.org/...esternAnimation

Read My little pony entry.

3)If they don't have money for a stupid playground, they don't have money to support poor and homelessness.

4)Starlight's village, Sombra's reign

5)Trixie's reign, Starlight's village

6)Sombra's death

7)Sombra and Celestria

8)Starlight's village

9)Sombra's reign, Discord's reign, Starlight's village

10)Berry Punch, Tree Hugger

11)Crystal ponies during Sombra's reign

 

And today's episode featured that incest is canon

Comments are wrong. Simple as that.

1/2) Only one I understand is HWE, and even then, that was for them to put aside their differences and work together

3) Again, this happens in life ALL THE TIME

4) Again, THEY'RE BAD GUYS

5) Show me where there's torture. Because last I checked these episodes, there weren't any

6) That's beating the bad guy

7) I was gonna tell you that Sombra was a bad guy but the fact that you also brought up Celestia deserves a ban on its own

8) SHE'S A BAD GUY! JUST LIKE THIS SHMUCK

 

9) 

 

I feel my lungs collapsing reading this

 

10) There's absolutely no proof that Tree Hugger is a stoner or that Berry Punch is some chronic drinker other than absurd fanon, both of which are highly exaggerated for comedy

 

11) Seriously THIS NEVER HAPPENED. SHOW ME PROOF IF IT DID. YOU CAN'T 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T

 

 

 

Seriously, kids aren't wimps, they can deal with this stuff in cartoons with ease. But if you get this offended over trivial nonsense like this, especially in children's media, then I seriously think you should consider avoiding fictional media all together