MLP and the Kardashev Scale

[Lucid_Nightlight 929]

Where do you think the MLP world is on the Kardashev Scale?

I think considering that Celestia controls the sun and the pegasi control the weather, they might be a type 1 civilization, which is a higher level than we are.

We humans aren't on the scale, we are a level 0 civilization.

Here's this just in case you have no idea what the Kardashev Scale is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

[Lore Finder 74]

I agree that it's probably a one but the Kardashev scale is bigger than what Wikipedia says. 

[Here No Longer 5,286]

Perhaps type 1 for the same reason you said. Celestia can control the sun, therefore they should have the ability to harness all of its energy. But the thing is that they don't seem necessarily capable of storing the energy. Plus they also don't really use all of it necessarily, considering their technology doesn't really require much energy to power it.

We're technically around a type .73 civilization, as we can use and store approximately 73% of our Sun's energy, and we should reach type 1 status very soon (article says 100-200 years, though I think it may be sooner rather than later considering how fast our technology has advanced).

[Johnny1226 14,674]

It doesn't look like they harness solar power though or use electricity much at all for that matter technology seems to have taken a back seat to magic also according to the canon equestria is only one of many nations of many different species and civilizations so it doesn't qualify as a planetary civilization since ponies and equestrians don't rule the planet 

[sweetolebob18 728]

There are some other threads on this, but they are buried. Tech level on EQ is weird. Not only do different parts have different levels, it's almost as if they forget that there ARE different levels. For instance, you would assume that Canterlot has the latest tech (or at least knows of it) but in the first EQ Girls movie Twilight has no clue about the Internet even existing. Even if you don't accept the EQ Girl movies as canon to the show, Ponyville has about 1900 Tech level, Apploosa late19th century & Manehatten 1950s or later. Plus, the one episode in S1 where the ponies are pulling a train, almost as if steam engines didn't work.

[Lore Finder 74]

Let's just go with this: tech level in equestria makes no sense and they have whatever tech the writers thing is convinient for the plot. Also: I think it's safe to assume that absolutely no one in equestria has the Internet.

[CypherHoof 26,483]

I think they are actually post-kardashev - that their "world" is an artificial one, with tech abandoned to the bare minimum required in order to give the ponies near full employment, without any individual pony having to work too hard to be comfortable, but also having to work at least somewhat in order to be so.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

I never knew about this scale until right now, so my clearly expert opinion that obviously doesn't need to be taken with a crate of salt as I read a few lines of a Wikipedia article, is that Equestria is a Type II civilization as Celestia and Luna have full control over the sun and moon and actually raise and lower them rather than simply letting physics do their thing like we do in the real world.  

They also hog the sun/moon cycle for Equestria, which isn't the entire planet.  My headcanon is, that's why the rest of the planet consists largely of awful badlands and tundras, or at least what constitutes land mass.  There's also a lot of water, and though the Hippogriffs built an extravagant city on a mountain-side, it's in an otherwise desolate area.  Anyways, yeah, Celestia and Luna can do whatever they want with the sun/moon and while it's unproven I wouldn't be surprised if they can draw power directly from the celestial bodies they control.  Actually, if being a Type II is contingent on the average pony being able to do that then Equestria would be a Type I as that's 99.99% Celestia and Luna.  I don't know enough on this subject to draw a proper conclusion.

[Singe 2,111]

5 hours ago, AlbaTross said:

I never knew about this scale until right now, so my clearly expert opinion that obviously doesn't need to be taken with a crate of salt as I read a few lines of a Wikipedia article, is that Equestria is a Type II civilization as Celestia and Luna have full control over the sun and moon and actually raise and lower them rather than simply letting physics do their thing like we do in the real world.  

They also hog the sun/moon cycle for Equestria, which isn't the entire planet.  My headcanon is, that's why the rest of the planet consists largely of awful badlands and tundras, or at least what constitutes land mass.  There's also a lot of water, and though the Hippogriffs built an extravagant city on a mountain-side, it's in an otherwise desolate area.  Anyways, yeah, Celestia and Luna can do whatever they want with the sun/moon and while it's unproven I wouldn't be surprised if they can draw power directly from the celestial bodies they control.  Actually, if being a Type II is contingent on the average pony being able to do that then Equestria would be a Type I as that's 99.99% Celestia and Luna.  I don't know enough on this subject to draw a proper conclusion.

Since Celestia and Luna don't have to deal with the complex impact of their raising the sun/moon on the entire planet, I'm sorta of thinking that the sun and moon they manipulate with magic could be artificial created. How much of this "daylight" and "nighttime" is just magic?

Edited January 16, 2018 by Singe

[AlbaTross 1,586]

On 2018-01-15 at 5:37 PM, Singe said:

Since Celestia and Luna don't have to deal with the complex impact of their raising the sun/moon on the entire planet, I'm sorta of thinking that the sun and moon they manipulate with magic could be artificial created. How much of this "daylight" and "nighttime" is just magic?

Hard to say.  FiM falls back heavily on the "it's magic" cop-out in many instances to refrain from having to explain how some finer details work.  I'm not sure why that sort of thing is annoying elsewhere, but somehow works for FiM.  My theory is that, because FiM simply thrives on leaving some details unexplained, not bothering to explain magic phenomena just works where it wouldn't in another series.  Fans will fill in said details with their headcanons and fanfics, and hold interesting discussions.

Taking the above into consideration, it is possible that the "sun" and "moon" the princesses manipulate aren't actually space rocks.  I never majored in astronomy, but it seems highly likely that if Earth's sun and moon were manipulated in the same way the consequences would be unimaginable.  I'd love for someone who knows more than I do about astronomy to explain what would happen, but it probably wouldn't be good.  Still, the moon was somewhere Luna could be banished to for 1000 years.  On the other hand that doesn't mean it's necessarily a space rock.  I think there is an argument that the sun and moon in Equestria are magic constructs that may or may not have pysical form, but we'll never know the answer to that.  

[Lore Finder 74]

Okay, so I'm no astronomy major but I know enough to get by and based on what we've seen I'm gonna have to say that, unlike our world, the sun revolves around our world just like the moon. Equestria is on the top of the world and when celestic raises the sun in equestria it lights the entire upper half of the world and plunges the bottom half into night and vice versa. Both the sun and moon are certainly much closer than they are in our world evident by the fact that, in the comic series at least, it's possible to lasso the freaking moon! Also evident in the fact that the sun and moon are much larger looking in the sky in equestria than in our world.