Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 The best way is to not give it attention and just frown that they don't follow traditional norms. Thats the way people think about stuff, just make it ok to marry and see how long they go with it. My suggestion atleast, if they live it out. Fine. Just let it go. Either case church is within your hearts or whatever you believe in. That's sorta the thing in either case. Just because you letting it be allowed constitutional wise that doesn't mean you are ok with it personally as approval wise. I mean people basically rebel when not being allowed to watch porn. Let them watch, see how long it takes before they figure they need to take responsibility and like... not be huge porn junkie. Thats life. Let it just get it out there, and you learn from that. Thats a part of being human if you ask me, you do it and you learn from it... well atleast i hope they do. Depending if you had any good parents who teaches you to be traditional and keep up the good honest work of good intent. But yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Frost Wolf 40,374 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 So....are you basically saying that gay marriage is a bad thing then? Maybe I am tired and not reading it correctly, but to me it sounds like you are saying that those people will 'figure out' eventually that gay marriage is wrong or something. Do correct me if I am wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clod 8,293 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Kyoshi said: So....are you basically saying that gay marriage is a bad thing then? Maybe I am tired and not reading it correctly, but to me it sounds like you are saying that those people will 'figure out' eventually that gay marriage is wrong or something. Do correct me if I am wrong. Don't worry, I can't really figure out what they're trying to say either. It definitely seems that way, but I don't want to try arguing against that while that's not really what they're saying. Seems to me that they're saying "let them do it and they'll see what they're doing is wrong" but I don't understand how that works. It's not like anyone's really ever said "hey, wait a second. I need to stop being gay. I'm going to be straight now." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Author Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Kyoshi said: So....are you basically saying that gay marriage is a bad thing then? Maybe I am tired and not reading it correctly, but to me it sounds like you are saying that those people will 'figure out' eventually that gay marriage is wrong or something. Do correct me if I am wrong. I am saying that people have their share or burdens. Try to think about it, porn junkies get married too but its not like they get stopped. I am saying that on a mental level as in homosexual lifestyle it is wrong on a dogmatic theological level. However, just letting them get married and see how it goes you can do without approving of the lifestyle. Some churches should adopt this instead of gay friendly since that is going against the scriptures. I mean if they do then ok but they are essentially ignoring it, that would be like me saying that porn is ok, now this doesn't mean i am going to people and say stop watching porn. But it is frowned upon by the churches and bible due to it not being ok. For example its nothing wrong with loving same sex, as in if two males or two females love each other, its only a sin if they do it sexually. I just think this is the best answer i could think of that would work, but only if its absolutely necesary like demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,270 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, meme said: Don't worry, I can't really figure out what they're trying to say either. It definitely seems that way, but I don't want to try arguing against that while that's not really what they're saying. Seems to me that they're saying "let them do it and they'll see what they're doing is wrong" but I don't understand how that works. It's not like anyone's really ever said "hey, wait a second. I need to stop being gay. I'm going to be straight now." I don't really know either, but from my interpretation that sounds about right. Whatever it is, it's total nonsense anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clod 8,293 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: I am saying that people have their share or burdens. Try to think about it, porn junkies get married too but its not like they get stopped. I am saying that on a mental level as in homosexual lifestyle it is wrong on a dogmatic theological level. However, just letting them get married and see how it goes you can do without approving of the lifestyle. Some churches should adopt this instead of gay friendly since that is going against the scriptures. I mean if they do then ok but they are essentially ignoring it, that would be like me saying that porn is ok, now this doesn't mean i am going to people and say stop watching porn. But it is frowned upon by the churches and bible due to it not being ok. For example its nothing wrong with loving same sex, as in if two males or two females love each other, its only a sin if they do it sexually. I just think this is the best answer i could think of that would work, but only if its absolutely necesary like demanded. There's nothing wrong with porn either lol. I don't get what your point is. Just let people love, man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,270 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: I am saying that people have their share or burdens. Try to think about it, porn junkies get married too but its not like they get stopped. I am saying that on a mental level as in homosexual lifestyle it is wrong on a dogmatic theological level. However, just letting them get married and see how it goes you can do without approving of the lifestyle. Some churches should adopt this instead of gay friendly since that is going against the scriptures. I mean if they do then ok but they are essentially ignoring it, that would be like me saying that porn is ok, now this doesn't mean i am going to people and say stop watching porn. But it is frowned upon by the churches and bible due to it not being ok. For example its nothing wrong with loving same sex, as in if two males or two females love each other, its only a sin if they do it sexually. I just think this is the best answer i could think of that would work, but only if its absolutely necesary like demanded. That somehow made less sense than the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Frost Wolf 40,374 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Sozu said: I am saying that people have their share or burdens. Try to think about it, porn junkies get married too but its not like they get stopped. I am saying that on a mental level as in homosexual lifestyle it is wrong on a dogmatic theological level. However, just letting them get married and see how it goes you can do without approving of the lifestyle. Some churches should adopt this instead of gay friendly since that is going against the scriptures. I mean if they do then ok but they are essentially ignoring it, that would be like me saying that porn is ok, now this doesn't mean i am going to people and say stop watching porn. But it is frowned upon by the churches and bible due to it not being ok. For example its nothing wrong with loving same sex, as in if two males or two females love each other, its only a sin if they do it sexually. I just think this is the best answer i could think of that would work, but only if its absolutely necesary like demanded. Thing is, Christian scripture is not law so what the church thinks matters none. Never understood why some church has to be involved in the marriage process. Everything about marriage is both governmental beyond the location and a bond between two people. I see no reason for any religion be to involved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Author Share February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, meme said: There's nothing wrong with porn either lol. I don't get what your point is. Just let people love, man. But you can love people without having sex with them. I am not saying you should police sex life, but all i am saying is the teachings are clear. So i am for marriage, but that doesn't mean it should be approved on a personal scriptural level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clod 8,293 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: But you can love people without having sex with them. I am not saying you should police sex life, but all i am saying is the teachings are clear. So i am for marriage, but that doesn't mean it should be approved on a personal scriptural level. Sorry, forgot to add that you should let people have sex with whoever too, man. (but only with consent, of course). And what are these "teachings"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Author Share February 15, 2018 (edited) Btw incase you think i am one of those people who think you should have god in government. Emm no, the elites should not be mixed with religion in politics ever, unless it is for cultural reason but actual religion in politics is a bad idea since i am highly against religious fundamentalism. Like being religious in general in society i am ok with aslong as it doesn't affect politics, foreign policy and all that. Considering religious fundamentalism is what kills science, critical thought in society both past and present time, being religious i don't see much issues with aslong as its not the job in the government. Just now, meme said: Sorry, forgot to add that you should let people have sex with whoever too, man. (but only with consent, of course). And what are these "teachings"? Yeah more power to you. But church doctrine is still doctrine. Like you can, but if you dont want too you can do that too. Edited February 15, 2018 by Sozu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,270 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: But you can love people without having sex with them. I am not saying you should police sex life, but all i am saying is the teachings are clear. So i am for marriage, but that doesn't mean it should be approved on a personal scriptural level. So now you're trying to say everyone should be a Christian and police them on when they should have sex...? Just now, Sozu said: Btw incase you think i am one of those people who think you should have god in government. Emm no, the elites should not be mixed with religion in politics ever, unless it is for cultural reason but actual religion in politics is a bad idea since i am highly against religious fundamentalism. Like being religious in general in society i am ok with aslong as it doesn't affect politics, foreign policy and all that. Considering religious fundamentalism is what kills science, critical thought in society both past and present time, being religious i don't see much issues with aslong as its not the job in the government. Then why make these posts suggesting that you do think that way...? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clod 8,293 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: Yeah more power to you. But church doctrine is still doctrine. Church whatever is irrelevant. Just now, Sozu said: Like you can, but if you dont want too you can do that too. I mean, yeah? That's called choice. I never said you had to have sex with anyone. I just don't see the point in caring so much about what other people are doing when it doesn't affect you at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Author Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Duzzkey said: So now you're trying to say everyone should be a Christian and police them on when they should have sex...? Then why make these posts suggesting that you do think that way...? No. Just like reading about history about Albert Einstein or judaism won't turn you jewish. The option is there though Just now, meme said: Church whatever is irrelevant. I mean, yeah? That's called choice. I never said you had to have sex with anyone. I just don't see the point in caring so much about what other people are doing when it doesn't affect you at all. Because gays are asking these questions. And i had been thinking about this alot. Sometimes you need a answer to a question. And finally i found it, so i wanted to post it here to hear what you think. If you have a question to a math problem you end up asking questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clod 8,293 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: Because gays are asking these questions. What questions? Just now, Sozu said: Sometimes you need a answer to a question. And finally i found it, What answers?? Nothing has been asked and nothing has been answered here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,270 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: No. Just like reading about history about Albert Einstein or judaism won't turn you jewish. The option is there though Because gays are asking these questions. And i had been thinking about this alot. Sometimes you need a answer to a question. And finally i found it, so i wanted to post it here to hear what you think. If you have a question to a math problem you end up asking questions. Okay...? An answer to the question that makes you sound like a bigoted christian fundamentalist is not that great of an answer.Even then, literally nobody asked anything or answered anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Author Share February 15, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Duzzkey said: Okay...? An answer to the question that makes you sound like a bigoted christian fundamentalist is not that great of an answer.Even then, literally nobody asked anything or answered anything. Yeah but if we are to ignore it then why not just burry the church. I mean it makes zero sense to have one if one ignores the stuff in it. Its like ignoring rules, its kinda relevant towards religious people who believes in this stuff. Maybe not atheists but christians it has kind of a relevance. So it does somewhat affect them when you choose to ignore relevant stuff in order to obey the words. I am ok if you choose to be gay and not believe it, but when you step into church territory and demand something out of place.. Well this is the best place to wish you good luck and wish to believe, if not then why are you in the church in the first place?. If you don't believe or care. Makes little sense to me. Unless if its for property value "which you can get" as i suggested. So i don't see the problem now. Edited February 15, 2018 by Sozu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,836 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Not sure what is going on here, but here are just some cogent thoughts. Two things have to be separated here -- civil marriage and the religious ceremony. There should be no distinction between a straight couple and a gay couple when it comes to legal marriage. That is already the law of the land, and I am a firm supporter of that. I don't give an inch of ground there to anyone that feels otherwise. If we are talking about hoping that religious institutions start to allow same-sex marriages in greater numbers, I am in favor of that, but I also vehemently oppose forcing a religious institution to perform a wedding ceremony. It has to be a natural and organic progression, otherwise the blow back would be so severe what you see now will look like Romper Room. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,270 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Jeric said: Not sure what is going on here, but here are just some cogent thoughts. Two things have to be separated here -- civil marriage and the religious ceremony. There should be no distinction between a straight couple and a gay couple when it comes to legal marriage. That is already the law of the land, and I am a firm supporter of that. I don't give an inch of ground there to anyone that feels otherwise. If we are talking about hoping that religious institutions start to allow same-sex marriages in greater numbers, I am in favor of that, but I also vehemently oppose forcing a religious institution to perform a wedding ceremony. It has to be a natural and organic progression, otherwise the blow back would be so severe what you see now will look like Romper Room. Reasonable enough. At least it didn't come out in complete gibberish and just about went off-topic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clod 8,293 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Sozu said: Yeah but if we are to ignore it then why not just burry the church. I mean it makes zero sense to have one if one ignores the stuff in it. Its like ignoring rules, its kinda relevant towards religious people who believes in this stuff. Maybe not atheists but christians it has kind of a relevance. So it does somewhat affect them when you choose to ignore relevant stuff in order to obey the words. I am ok if you choose to be gay and not believe it, but when you step into church territory and demand something out of place.. Well this is the best place to wish you good luck and wish to believe, if not then why are you in the church in the first place?. If you don't believe or care. Makes little sense to me. Unless if its for property value "which you can get" asi suggested. So i don't see the problem now. So... why does your religion force you to make such a big deal out of nothing? I'll let you think about that. For now, I'm done here unless I'm wanted to answer a question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Frost Wolf 40,374 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sozu said: Yeah but if we are to ignore it then why not just burry the church. I mean it makes zero sense to have one if one ignores the stuff in it. Its like ignoring rules, its kinda relevant towards religious people who believes in this stuff. Maybe not atheists but christians it has kind of a relevance. So it does somewhat affect them when you choose to ignore relevant stuff in order to obey the words. I am ok if you choose to be gay and not believe it, but when you step into church territory and demand something out of place.. Well this is the best place to wish you good luck and wish to believe, if not then why are you in the church in the first place?. If you don't believe or care. Makes little sense to me. Unless if its for property value "which you can get" asi suggested. So i don't see the problem now. Easy way to solve this problem: Cut the church out of the marriage process entirely. I know one can. I know that when I get married, I will not step foot in a church building. I don't know why any LGBT couple would want their marriage to take place in a building with eyes full of scorn because of religious dogma. So we are better off ignoring that location in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Author Share February 15, 2018 Just now, meme said: So... why does your religion force you to make such a big deal out of nothing? I'll let you think about that. For now, I'm done here unless I'm wanted to answer a question. I don't have the answer to that. But the bible do tend to generalize homosexuals on the level of murderers and adulterers. Maybe it is talking about bad environments and not gays themselves. But i just think it is most likely against gay marriage because they can't have children. So marriage is traditionally wise considered an investment of blessings. Thats why i assume it has always been man and woman marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,270 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 Just now, Kyoshi said: Easy way to solve this problem: Cut the church out of the marriage process entirely. I know one can. I know that when I get married, I will not step foot in a church building. I don't know why any LGBT couple would want their marriage to take place in a building with eyes full of scorn because of religious dogma. So we are better off ignoring that location in the first place. I sort of agree with this and don't agree with what it could be implying. I agree, marriage shouldn't have to go through the church. However, I don't agree that if somebody wants to be wed in religious matrimony that they shouldn't be able to. After all, that would sort of throw freedom of religion out the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They call me Loyalty 1,941 February 15, 2018 Share February 15, 2018 My guess would be god loves gay people, as well as porn. So, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sozu 7 February 15, 2018 Author Share February 15, 2018 Just now, They call me Loyalty said: My guess would be god loves gay people, as well as porn. So, why not? Thats fine but that has to be done in another religious institution. Wicca has sex magick so you could try that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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