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[Mr F 1,522]

 

 

Is it really so shocking a long time player has not reached the level cap yet?

It has been 3 years. In one year I have maxed three characters.

 

 

It's not like I've been playing the game non-stop in all that time.

I admit I have kinda done that during the vacations. XD

For some reason I have yet to finish gearing any of them. The garrison kinda does that for me, I can litteraly get heroic gear while hardly touching lfr.

[Akari of Duskshire 581]

@@Steel Accord,@,

 

Seeing as these artifacts are going to come from people who had either died or fell into despair, who do you think will do one or the other?  And what do you think the other weapons will be and who might they come from (and of course, what will THOSE people do, die or despair)?

 

Personally, I think Tirion will kick the bucket while Thrall will despair or, at the very least, actually retire.   

Edited September 18, 2015 by Akari of Duskshire

[Steel Accord 6,660]

It has been 3 years. In one year I have maxed three characters.

 

 

I admit I have kinda done that during the vacations. XD

For some reason I have yet to finish gearing any of them. The garrison kinda does that for me, I can litteraly get heroic gear while hardly touching lfr.

 

Well, you said you "don't have a life" and while I hope that's an exaggeration. I can say I definitely have one. Two brothers, a mom and dad, a job during the summer, school other times, other things I do in my free time.

 

Remember when I started posting on this thread, I hadn't even re-subbed. WoW has never been a permanent fixture of my life even if I do love it.

@@Steel Accord,@,

 

Seeing as these artifacts are going to come from people who had either died or fell into despair, who do you think will do one or the other?  And what do you think the other weapons will be and who might they come from (and of course, what will THOSE people do, die or despair)?

 

Personally, I think Tirion will kick the bucket while Thrall will despair or, at the very least, actually retire.   

 

Well I don't think receiving the artifact will be something depressing because you are using it in a manner it's original owner would like or approve of. (Unless you are a Warlock and nick something from Gul'dan's stash but if he doesn't like you fighting demons, I say GOOD!)

[Akari of Duskshire 581]

@@Steel Accord,

 

I just word it that way because that's how they said it.  We will use the weapons of heroes who died or fell into despair. 

[Steel Accord 6,660]

@@Akari of Duskshire,

 

True, but does that mean we will follow them into blackness or the grave? Going back to what I said earlier with "Excalibur" metaphor, imagine if you were given the blade of Gungnir (Odin's magic spear if you don't know) and were told that upon Ragnorok's passing and Odin's death, you were chosen to inherit it.

 

Would you go out and hunt a wolf, hoping for a mutual kill to better emulate your predecessor? Or would you not repeat the mistakes of the past?

 

It's a matter of emphasis. Is the idea, "the guy who originally held this died?" Or is the idea, "the guy who originally held this was a hero?"

[Akari of Duskshire 581]

 

 

"the guy who originally held this was a hero?"

 

Oh definitely (though since one of the DK artifacts is going to use shards of Frostmourne, the heroism of the last guy who wielded that blade might be debatable).  Hope folks will love my plans to corru- er, I mean, shine the Ashbringer in the heavenly radiance of the Light!

[Lagrangian 64]

Finished off the entire Brawler's Guild (for the second time).

[Mr F 1,522]

 

 

Well, you said you "don't have a life" and while I hope that's an exaggeration.

Ehh, that depends on who you ask. I have friends and a gigantic family. However, I spend a lot more time alone than I should.

 

 

Gungnir

  Is it wrong that I would perfer this rather than the current survival hunter spear? The artifact they have now is soo lame. I mean, it would never look good on any of my hunters.;_;

All the skins look soo similar. I mean, which one could look good on a dwarf or forsaken? xD

 

 

Finished off the entire Brawler's Guild (for the second time).

What class did you use to finish it?

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

Is it wrong that I would perfer this rather than the current survival hunter spear? The artifact they have now is soo lame. I mean, it would never look good on any of my hunters.;_; All the skins look soo similar. I mean, which one could look good on a dwarf or forsaken? xD

 

Well first of all, Gungnir's inclusion wouldn't make sense as Odin does not exist in Azeroth. They would have to tie it into Vrykul legend or something in order for it to make sense as they have the most clear Viking association.

 

Second of all, how would it be that different or better? Magic spear is a magic spear. Hell traditionally depicted, Gungnir isn't even that visually impressive.

 

 

Compare that to:

 

 

Sorry, I'd pick the ladder option if I was a hunter. (That middle one for the Forsaken and furthest to the right for a Dwarf assuming they are both survival hunters.)

 

I might actually boost a hunter upon purchase because I just found out now who might be the original owner of the spear. Huln Highmountain, the first major Tauren character in the War of the Ancients novels, one of my favorite book series.

[Mr F 1,522]

Second of all, how would it be that different or better?

The most of the skins this far look kinda bad as weapons especially the red and black one. I mean ITS NOT EVEN SHARP! Hunters don't use magic, why would they even consider carrying this? Gungir is not very pretty but, we could always do soo much with it. I also don't like how taurens are supposed to represent hunters with the artifact. THEY ARE WALKING HAMBURGERS!

But oh well, its at least better than the frost dk one. That brutally murdered a lot of cool story things. ;_;

Edited September 19, 2015 by A Cat

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

The most of the skins this far look kinda bad as weapons especially the red and black one.

 

 

You're right, they do look kinda badass weapons! 

 

 

 

I mean ITS NOT EVEN SHARP!

 

 

The teeth in the head might be sharp, and you are asking for practical weapon design in Warcraft? Dude, no accounting for taste, but I think that spear looks badass in all it's shapes.

 

 

 

Gungir is not very pretty but, we could always do soo much with it.

 

Well yeah, it's a spear, it's humanity's first truly crafted weapon. I'm not sure what you mean by "we could always do so much with it."

 

 

 

I also don't like how taurens are supposed to repreent hunters. THEY ARE WALKING HAMBURGERS!

 

 

They've always been hunters. Hunting is a part of their culture. You are looking at them as their anthropomorphic representation rather than who they are as they exist within the world.

 

 

 

But oh well, its at least better than the frost dk one. That brutally murdered a lot of cool story things. ;_;

 

What having shards of Frostmourne is "brutally murdering story things?" You and I have a VERY different definition of what it means to murder. 

[Mr F 1,522]

What having shards of Frostmourne is "brutally murdering story things?"

The shards of frostmourne has been somewhere for years, but for some reason no one evil took them. Come on.

 

 

The teeth in the head might be sharp

It looks cool, but kinda silly though. HOW WILL YOU KILL A DEER WITH A MACE? xD

 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "we could always do so much with it."

Runes, cut down on length or extend, add more plates etc. Gungnir was maybe a bad example, but I feel that this spear was kinda lame compared to the other classes artifacts. Luckily I play beastmastery.

Edited September 19, 2015 by A Cat

[Steel Accord 6,660]

The shards of frostmourne has been somewhere for years, but for some reason no one evil took them. Come on.

 

That's not "brutally murdering story" dude. That's called foreshadowing and payoff. Take it from a writer.

 

Frostmourne itself was "somewhere for years" but it was two actually pretty decent guys who found it, not someone seeking an evil power. Why wasn't Frostmourne picked up by some other hapless twit or willful super villain? Why wasn't the Demon Soul found again until Cataclysm? Why wasn't Xavius the actual cause of the Emerald Nightmare? Narrative causality, that's why.

 

 

 

It looks cool, but kinda silly though. HOW WILL YOU KILL A DEER WITH A MACE? xD

 

A) You are not hunting a deer, you are hunting demons. B ) It still functions as a stabbing weapon in-game so what does it matter if it's blunt at the top? C ) If silly designs bother you that much, how can you go two seconds in this game without mentally rejecting pretty much something or other?

 

 

 

Runes, cut down on length or extend, add more plates etc. Gungnir was maybe a bad example, but I feel that this spear was kinda lame compared to the other classes artifacts. Luckily I play beastmastery.

 

 

As I said, I don't even play a hunter and I think they are cool. Second of all though, no you really can't do that much more with them. The spear has never been a weapon of ornamentation. It's the weapon of the foot soldier, the guardsman, and indeed the survivalist hunter. Swords, hammers, shields, etc. have a long history of being used as symbols along with their functional purpose. The spear, has not.

 

The design team had their work cut out for them making spears that look more visually impressive as their simply aren't as many famous mythological or historical spears. The only other ones I can think of are the spear of Longinus and Gáe Bulg, the spear of Cú Chulainn. (The former would make more sense as a Priest artifact weapon, and the ladder is once again not really that visually impressive.)

Edited September 19, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Mr F 1,522]

The spear has never been a weapon of ornamentation.

At least here it has been described as a weapon for a king.

It was common for skalds to tell stories about their lords tossing two spears at once. Piercing a trolls skull with a dull spear etc.

Plus its odins favoured weapon, he is the king of berserk. So mastering a spear was considered a lot more honourable than axe or sword.

Most nordic warriors carried a spear besides their axe and shield, because its a great combination.

Swords were mostly used for decoration in these parts. XD

Edited September 19, 2015 by A Cat

[Steel Accord 6,660]

At least here it has been described as a weapon for a king.

It was common for skalds to tell stories about their lords tossing two spears at once. Piercing a trolls skull with a dull spear etc.

Plus its odins favoured weapon, he is the king of berserk. So mastering a spear was considered a lot more honourable than axe or sword.

Most nordic warriors carried a spear besides their axe and shield, because its a great combination.

Swords were mostly used for decoration in these parts. XD

 

Yes, I know, but my point is the spear has rarely been a weapon of decoration. Not that it hasn't been used, as I hope I've demonstrated my knowledge of, but how many versions of Excalibur can you see just from a cursory google search?

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=excalibur&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=801&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI1ub0y_GCyAIVBhkeCh1iWgSq

 

Plus the Spartans carried spears along with their shields to, but what did they value more? A warrior would go through like a dozen spears that were either thrown, broken, or stuck in someone, but they would consistently fight through many battles with the same shield.

 

You can do much with the design of a sword or an axe or a hammer, a spear, simply does not give you as much when it comes to visual appeal and that's part of what makes it what it is. A spear is the weapon of practicality and action.

 

Tell me then, if you are so dissatisfied yet so knowledgable on what makes a good spear, what IS an example of what Blizzard could have done with the Eagle spear?

Edited September 19, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Mr F 1,522]

 

 

Tell me then, if you are so dissatisfied yet so knowledgable on what makes a good spear, what IS an example of what Blizzard could have done with the Eagle spear?

A crafted one, something less random. I know this sounds kinda stupid but for example get metal from a demon lord or something, wood from the life tree and rune carvings from a shaman or a vrykul runemaster. I really like rune carvings, so if it does not look cool, you are just not putting enough carvings on it. Or add an atlatl. Those are always cool, especially with carvings. (I REALLY, REALLY like carvings)

I see your point though, spears are not always as pretty. But I still think its not close as cool as the other artifacts.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

A crafted one, something less random. I know this sounds kinda stupid but for example get metal from a demon lord or something, wood from the life tree and rune carvings from a shaman or a vrykul runemaster. I really like rune carvings, so if it does not look cool, you are just not putting enough carvings on it. Or add an atlatl. Those are always cool, especially with carvings. (I REALLY, REALLY like carvings)

I see your point though, spears are not always as pretty. But I still think its not close as cool as the other artifacts.

 

 

That, I can actually agree with you on. Not that I don't like the current designs, but if they were to add another, I would be all for the kind you suggest. Gungnir, after all, was intricately inscribed by Odin with his runes. 

 

I will say though, it wouldn't be much of an "artifact" if you made it yourself now would it?

 

 

I know this sounds kinda stupid

 

Why would any of what you said, "sound stupid?" 

[Akari of Duskshire 581]

@@Steel Accord,@,

 

*is sitting in an armchair, sipping some hot chocolate with marshmallows*

 

Oh, it's so much fun to watch you two go at each other.

[Mr F 1,522]

 

 

Why would any of what you said, "sound stupid?"

"CRAFTING THE WEAPON OF THE AGES" is very typical for rpgs now.

 

 

I will say though, it wouldn't be much of an "artifact" if you made it yourself now would it?

If it can be used for mass castration of  alliance filth I'd call it anything.

You know what, I would. As long as  the parts are relevant in the story I'd actually call it an artifact.

 

 hot chocolate with marshmallows*

 

Can I have some of that? please?

[Steel Accord 6,660]

@@Akari of Duskshire,

 

What do you mean? We aren't fighting, it's a discussion.

[Akari of Duskshire 581]

 

 

You know what, I would. As long as  the parts are relevant in the story I'd actually call it an artifact.  

 

I get what you're saying, but would it be an artifact anymore if you're using parts of the original to forge a new one?

 

 

 

Can I have some of that? please?

 

Sure, have some!  You too, Steel!

 

@@Steel Accord,

 

I figured it wasn't a fight, but I'd still kick back and watch.  XD 

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

"CRAFTING THE WEAPON OF THE AGES" is very typical for rpgs now.

 

RPGs? That's a trope of myth all the way back to the Dwarves of Nidavellir forging the weapons of the Aesir.

 

 

 

If it can be used for mass castration of  alliance filth I'd call it anything.

 

You know your willfulness to deny but not quite your joy at killing Alliance can be saddening at times for those of us who chose to side with them but hold no animosity to the Horde.

 

 

 

You know what, I would. As long as  the parts are relevant in the story I'd actually call it an artifact.

 

Something can be OF the world, that doesn't make it an artifact. Isaac Newton allegedly sat under an apple tree when he first got the idea for the theory of gravity, that doesn't make apples from that tree the literal fruit of knowledge.

 

Blizzard can't just break the theme of "weapons used by previously established characters" for the hunter's sake. By your definition, I've picked up several "artifacts" in my journey already.

[Mr F 1,522]

previously established characters

I don't think that spear has any early story. I mean, they did not mention a name, signalling that he is probably not very relevant.

but would it be an artifact anymore if you're using parts of the original to forge a new one?

Yeah, yeah I think so. If you theoretically somehow got a sword where the hilt is from the cross of jesus. I'd say that makes the sword an artifact. (bad example. xD)

You know your willfulness to deny but not quite your joy at killing Alliance can be saddening at times for those of us who chose to side with them but hold no animosity to the Horde.

I am joking you know? Sorry if you don't find it funny.

Isaac Newton allegedly sat under an apple tree when he first got the idea for the theory of gravity, that doesn't make apples from that tree the literal fruit of knowledge.

No but we are talking about mythical creatures and weapons. Newtons discovery of gravity(or the tree he slept under) is not really a myth with sacred powers or anything like that. The life tree however is.

That's a trope of myth all the way back to the Dwarves of Nidavellir forging the weapons of the Aesir.

You mean Ivaldi and his sons?

Edited September 19, 2015 by A Cat

[Akari of Duskshire 581]

 

 

Yeah, yeah I think so. If you theoretically somehow got a sword where the hilt is from the cross of jesus. I'd say that makes the sword an artifact. (bad example. xD)

 

I get where you're coming from, but let's not use an example like that again.  lD

 

 

 

Blizzard can't just break the theme of "weapons used by previously established characters" for the hunter's sake. By your definition, I've picked up several "artifacts" in my journey already.

 

I think they will and already have.

[Mr F 1,522]

let's not use an example like that again

haha okay. xD

Onto something else. Have anyone of you guys played hearthstone?

Edited September 19, 2015 by A Cat