Question involving Celestia's and Luna's power

[Arcanel 3,041]

I just formed this thought when wondering if Luna could raise the sun as well as Celestia can raise the moon. In theory, both should be powerful enough to raise both celestial bodies...but...I just thought. Celestia raised the sun and the moon...AFTER she used the Elements of harmony. So my question is:

 

Was Celestia only strong enough to raise both the sun and the moon thanks to the Elements of Harmony, she using their power, or maybe, just having a sort of "residue" power in her from them after using the Elements?

[Radiance64 7,059]

Hm, maybe. But then again maybe Celestia just stole her sister's power for a while or something, and maybe Luna took it back when she came back as Nightmare Moon? She did kidnap Celestia after all, think about it.

[Chespin 180]

After 1000 years on the moon and freed by the elements, Celestia and Luna's duties were split, so as of now Celestia can only raise and lower the sun, so after sending Luna to the moon with the Elements of Harmony, it was probably the "residue" power you were talking about.

[Starshine 16,335]

Not really sure about the whole "residue of the EoH" part, but at the opening, it is said that "the elder uses her unicorn power to raise to sun"

 

I'm pretty sure instead of having the celestial bodies solely tuned to the Royal Sisters, they are open to anypony to control, as long as they know the spells required (note the Sun-moving unicorns in the Hearthwarming Eve episode)

 

So, Celestia know what the spell required to move the moon during her sister's absence

[Arcanel 3,041]

Hm, maybe. But then again maybe Celestia just stole her sister's power for a while or something, and maybe Luna took it back when she came back as Nightmare Moon? She did kidnap Celestia after all, think about it.

 

Hmmm.. I don't think so. The EoH were used by Celestia to help her trap and banish Nightmare Moon. I don't think power stealing is something too...viable, for lack of a better word. Is there even something as a spell that steals power?

 

 

After 1000 years on the moon and freed by the elements, Celestia and Luna's duties were split, so as of now Celestia can only raise and lower the sun, so after sending Luna to the moon with the Elements of Harmony, it was probably the "residue" power you were talking about.

 

You mean that their power was somehow split thanks to the EoH and that only got released after it's usage?....But how could be split from BEFORE the usage of the EoH? I'm slightly confused.

 

 

Not really sure about the whole "residue of the EoH" part, but at the opening, it is said that "the elder uses her unicorn power to raise to sun"

 

I'm pretty sure instead of having the celestial bodies solely tuned to the Royal Sisters, they are open to anypony to control, as long as they know the spells required (note the Sun-moving unicorns in the Hearthwarming Eve episode)

 

So, Celestia know what the spell required to move the moon during her sister's absence

 

Maybe there is a spell yes, but I'm pretty sure that moving something as big as the sun or the moon requires quite the strength. Remember how Shining Armor had trouble keeping up the shield in Canterlot? Imagine moving the sun and the moon. That would DEFINITELY require some MASSIVE power.

[Starshine 16,335]

I'm pretty sure that moving something as big as the sun or the moon requires quite the strength.

If a handful of not-so-healthy unicorns can do that before Celestia come to power, she can do it much better than them :V

 

Remember how Shining Armor had trouble keeping up the shield in Canterlot? Imagine moving the sun and the moon. That would DEFINITELY require some MASSIVE power.

Shining Armor is a mortal pony that will die when he comes of age, while Celestia already start raising the Sun even before Shining' ancestor know what does it feels like to frolick under the sun

 

Nope

Edited October 24, 2012 by Star Weaver

[Arcanel 3,041]

If a handful of not-so-healthy unicorns can do that before Celestia come to power, she can do it much better than them :V

 

 

 

Shining Armor is a mortal pony that will die when he comes of age, while Celestia already start raising the Sun even before Shining' ancestor know what does it feels like to frolick under the sun

 

Nope

 

I think I'm missing some info on the first, cause I don't remember any of that.

 

As for the second, it's a more than probable thing that only alicorns, AKA, the inmortal beingsare the ones more able to raise celestial bodies. And truth is, we don't know exactly if the ones before Celestia were just as powerful. Maybe they had to work together to raise the sun and the moon.

[NavelColt 22,883]

"We were meant to rule together, little sister."

 

I too am hopping on board the 'either of them can control either of the celestial bodies', train. Celestia has a sun cutie mark and Luna has a moon cutie mark -probably- because their personalities had something to do with it, or, back when the two defeated Discord and took control over Equestria, they decided which of the two of them would control what. Celestia first raised the sun using her powers and that became her 'destiny'/cutie mark, and same as Luna with first raising the moon with her magic. I don't think Luna is incapable of moving the sun.

[Starshine 16,335]

I think I'm missing some info on the first, cause I don't remember any of that.

Hearthwarming Eve, on the ponies surviving the nuclear winter...

 

The episode showed us that the malnutritied Unicorns can raise the Sun before Celestia even present. You don't need that much of a power to raise the Celestial Bodies, all you need is the spell (and maybe the connection, cutie mark of the Sisters and all)

 

You compared Shining, a mortal pony to that of a Demigod that lives more than a thousand years. Of course Celestia is more magically powerful than Shining could ever hope for.

 

I don't think Luna is incapable of moving the sun.

 

Yep. The same way Twilight can learn Rarity's gem-finding special spell. Given enough knowledge and magical prowess, any unicorn can learn how to do spells that might be seen as others' special talent.

[Arcanel 3,041]

"We were meant to rule together, little sister."

 

I too am hopping on board the 'either of them can control either of the celestial bodies', train. Celestia has a sun cutie mark and Luna has a moon cutie mark -probably- because their personalities had something to do with it, or, back when the two defeated Discord and took control over Equestria, they decided which of the two of them would control what. Celestia first raised the sun using her powers and that became her 'destiny'/cutie mark, and same as Luna with first raising the moon with her magic. I don't think Luna is incapable of moving the sun.

 

Yes....I think I forgot slightly the past of both, and the fact they are probably as powerful as the other. For all i know the EoH might have just altered Celestia's body, not her power, if even. I'll agree wtih you on that regard.

Hearthwarming Eve, on the ponies surviving the nuclear winter...

 

The episode showed us that the malnutritied Unicorns can raise the Sun before Celestia even present. You don't need that much of a power to raise the Celestial Bodies, all you need is the spell (and maybe the connection, cutie mark of the Sisters and all)

 

You compared Shining, a mortal pony to that of a Demigod that lives more than a thousand years. Of course Celestia is more magically powerful than Shining could ever hope for.

 

Oh crap, forgot that on the episode (I haven't watched it in months ). I forgot slightly about the magical output of each as well. And plussed with what Chaotic said, and the fact I forgot that Luna is probably as powerful as Celestia. Eh, count me in the train Mr. Discord mentioned.

[Starshine 16,335]

Hm... There is actually another theory I read from a thread elsewhere

 

The basic premise is that each Celestial Bodies can 'push' the other way around the planet. Think of it like having two magnets of the same polarity going in a circle around a wood. When you moved one around, the other will get away from it.

 

So with this theory Celestia never really raises the moon, she simply pushed Luna's Moon around the planet. It also explains how the Neverending Night, Celestia can't raise her sun because the Moon stubbornly stays on the top.

 

Well, that's another theory

[Batbrony 16,087]

Hmmm... interesting question, and it's generated some even more interesting responses. As to the sisters' natural powers, I guess before seeing this thread I'd always figured that each sister could, naturally, only raise their respective celestial body, but seeing some of these responses now, I'm inclined to favor Chaotic's response. Both sisters probably have the ability, should the need ever arise, to raise the sun or the moon; Celestia simply chose the sun since, I think, she was the oldest, and probably the most capable of raising that body when both sisters began. Heck, some fanfics have even speculated that, until Luna was old enough, Celestia might have raised both the sun and the moon then, so maybe they both are naturally powerful enough to raise both the sun and the moon.

 

However, I do think that it's just as possible that Celestia might have at least had her abilities and powers amplified from wielding the Elements of Harmony, and this would have facilitated her raising both the sun and the moon for the next 1000 years; but again, I think either theory is valid and possible. Good thread Arcanel.

Edited October 24, 2012 by Batbrony

[Arcanel 3,041]

Hm... There is actually another theory I read from a thread elsewhere

 

The basic premise is that each Celestial Bodies can 'push' the other way around the planet. Think of it like having two magnets of the same polarity going in a circle around a wood. When you moved one around, the other will get away from it.

 

So with this theory Celestia never really raises the moon, she simply pushed Luna's Moon around the planet. It also explains how the Neverending Night, Celestia can't raise her sun because the Moon stubbornly stays on the top.

 

Well, that's another theory

 

Well, that thery could be somewhat true, if in Equestria there's an actual different form of universal gravity, which might make it so. IF the coming of Nightmare Moon might have weakened Celestia somewhat, and with it, the sun, then the Neverending Night could happen that way, but I'm not sure. But I'm rather sure that the connection between the sun and moon and Celestia and Luna could be closer than we might think.

 

 

Hmmm... interesting question, and it's generated some even more interesting responses. As to the sisters natural powers, I guess before seeing this thread I'd always figured that each sister could, naturally, only raise their respective celestial body, but seeing some of these responses now, I'm inclined to favor Chaotic's response. Both sisters probably have the ability, should the need ever arise, to raise the sun or the moon; Celestia simply chose the sun since, I think, she was the oldest, and probably the most capable of raising that body when both sisters began. Heck, some fanfics have even speculated that, until Luna was old enough, Celestia might have raised both the sun and the moon then, so maybe they both are naturally powerful enough to raise both the sun and the moon.

 

However, I do think that it's just as possible that Celestia might have at least had her abilities and powers amplified from wielding the Elements of Harmony, and this would have facilitated her raising both the sun and the moon for the next 1000 years; but again, I think either theory is valid and possible. Good thread Arcanel.

 

Hmmm...now that you put in thought, it might be possible that both theories could somewhat help each other. WIth the EoH, Celestia might have had an easier work. And...you know....if Celestia and Luna DO have a very close relationship with the sun and moon, with Nightmare Moon/Luna Trapped in the moon and probably weakened, then raising the moon could have been ahrder than before, and the EoH helped her do that task...

 

Also, thanks!