How long is 100 moons? And with it, how long since the first episode?

[LeeseyBoy 0]

Okay, lets assume this. MLP is set with a different sun, moon, and possibly yearly basis. No month's are mentioned, yet days(monday, tuesday) are mentioned. So, maybe we can assume their are 100 days in a year BUT then that would mean that the apple reuinion is coincidentally on the same day as the rising of the summer sun celebration (S1 E1, Elements of Harmony Pt1), which is just too likely to happen, BUT we have also got to concider the Grand Galloping Gala. In S2 E9 'Sweet and Elite' Twilight mentions that the GGG is coming close, even though it's presumed to be a yearly thing, like most formal events are. Considering the GGG was in S1 E26 'Best Night Ever' we can assume that years are most probably closer together. HOWEVER the CMC members have appeared not to age, otherwise they'd most likely have their cutie marks. In S4 E1 'Princess Twilight Sparkle', It's revealed by Celestia it has been EXACTLY ONE YEAR since the first episode, where the last raising of the sun took place. This would mean that Twilight has only been in Ponyville for 1 year! With this evidence, we can now presume that the episodes are not in chronological order, and take place and different times then shown. Most likely would explain alot of things, like why winter last one week (S1 E11 'Winter Wrap Up), we can now say that if we put S2 E11 'Heath's Warming Eve' before 'Winter Wrap Up' it would make more sense. And we can also assume 'Sweet and Elite' goes somewhere before 'Best Night Ever'. We can also assume that since Season 1 Episodes were reveled to take place every tuesday, then we can say, without putting in the theory of episode order, that S1 took place in 182 days. Now, putting in the theory of episode order into place, we can now say thing like 'take away this episode and add these episodes' BUT we must remember that every episode of Season 1, 2 and 3 INCLUDING Equestria Girls, takes place in only ONE YEAR!!!!! so, by this theory, I can say that when Granny Smith said '100 moons' She meant '100 days and nights'

UNLESS!!!!! *yes, there is more* we take into account Twilight Sparkle NEVER appeared in the episode whatsoever(S3 E8, Apple Family Reunion). If we put my theory of episodes not being in the right order, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, we can say that this episode takes place AFTER or DURING S4. But thats really just pushing it

Edited November 25, 2013 by LeeseyBoy

[Hive King 2,001]

It has been one year since the show started according to Season 4. Not sure if necroposting is frowned upon here

[ShadOBabe 19,014]

I think the writers just think that "moons" sounds mythical and strange and stick it in whenever they need to up the fantasy feel of the show by a couple notches.

[Valormos 262]

A hundred moons is 8.3 years cause theres a full moon every mounth and theres 12 mounth in a year so you take 100 divided by 12 =8.3 years so the family reunion happens about every 8 and a half years  now if shes talking about how many times the moon rose it would be a hundred days and nights

A hundred moons is 8.3 years cause theres a full moon every mounth and theres 12 mounth in a year so you take 100 divided by 12 =8.3 years so the family reunion happens about every 8 and a half years now if shes talking about how many times the moon rose it would be 100 days and nights Edited November 25, 2013 by xXRainbow dashyXx

[BalanceBrony 259]

"Moon" seems to refer to a Lunar month- the distance from one New Moon to the next New Moon. The length can be anywhere from 28 1/2 to 29 1/2 days, but the length of a lunar month in days isn't important if your calendar is strictly lunar. It makes it difficult to equate pony months to our months, but it would work fine in a world where that is the only system. 100 moons would be roughly...2,900 days, or around 8 Solar Years.

 

Of course, we have no way of knowing if Equestria's orbital period is the same length as on Earth, or anything related to time, because these things vary. It could even be that Equestrian time might not even work the same way, since we know the Sun and Moon actually both go around the planet, as opposed to the planet going around the sun, and the moon going around the planet.

 

In fact, we can't really say anything about Equestrian astronomy. After all, we know that the sun and moon do not move of their own accord in Equestria. Anything we know about astronomical dynamics wouldn't work in the my little pony universe. Eclipses, seasons, time, years, days, months, and any other events we have here would work differently there.

 

But I think this analysis is all moot. For our purposes, I think it is safe to assume Lunar months are a similar length in Equestria, so the calculation still holds true. Roughly 8 years. This also means that the 30 moons from Equestria Girls is around 2 1/2 years, which means that Sunset Shimmer left Equestria about a year before Twilight left Canterlot. Which is odd, because that means both could've been Celestia's students at the same time... But then... I think I need to make a blog post about this.

 

But, ignoring all that- 100 moons is a long time, but not obscenely long. It's less than 10 years.

[Declen 118]

 

 

Didn't Twilight have to write to Princess Celestia everyday?

Nope.

She had to write her every week. Rewatch "Lesson Zero".

 

 

All of these episodes have a possibility of occurring in a three month period; this sounds the most plausible to me.

No, they haven't. We've got: Winter Wrap Up (Spring), The Running of the Leaves (Autumn), Nightmare Night, Heart's Warming Eve (Winter), Hearts and Hooves Day (Spring).

It just can not be squeezed into therr months.

[BalanceBrony 259]

Forget what I said before. After going through a long analysis, I came to the conclusion that 100 moons is actually exactly 10 years. 1 moon is equal to 36.524 days. Multiply by a hundred, and that is 3652.4 days, exactly 10 years. Here is the link to my analysis which led me to that conclusion.

 

http://balancebrony.tumblr.com/post/68027902755/what-is-time-like-in-equestria

[Declen 118]

 

 

It's revealed by Celestia it has been EXACTLY ONE YEAR since the first episode, where the last raising of the sun took place.

No it wasn't.

I just quote myself on this:

 

Declen, on 25 Nov 2013 - 04:30 AM, said:

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She SAID that the SSC used to be reninder of Nightmare Moon defeat. And now it's a celebration of royal sisters reunion.

It sounded as if it was the first such selebration, but it isn't necessery means there were no SSCs inbetween at all.

Thinking of Luna in "Luna Eclipsed" I easily suggest she simply didn't participate in any SSCs before recenty.

 

[BalanceBrony 259]

After reading this thread, it is obvious that we cannot accurately determine the length of moons. I saw many other ways of calculating it as I was just browsing, all with valid logic, and all reaching different conclusions.

 

And for those who don't want to read a full analysis- as I did cover more than just basic calculations- here was my methodology. I used the fact that 3 years in Equestria Girls was equal to 30 moons in Equestria, with the assumption that Equestria Girls follows the same time scale as our world.

 

30 moons = 3 years in EQG. I divided by 3 to get 10 moons = 1 year. 1 year = 365.24 days= 10 moons. Divide by 10 to get 1 moon = 36.524 Days. Then I went from there to get my number that 100 moons was exactly 10 years.

Edited November 25, 2013 by BalanceBrony

[LeeseyBoy 0]

I'd like to point out that Celestia doesn't say exactly 'its been a year' BUT it is heavily implied in the last few minutes when she is about to raise the sun, she wouldnt repeat herself every year saying 'it is no longer with a heavy heart but with great joy' and talk about Nightmare moon because that would be silly  

Also, another thing that should be taken into consideration is in every episode the moon is shown, it has been a FULL MOON! since the sun/moon dont follow the solar and lunar cycles, due to them being raised and set by luna/celestia when needed, we can say that 30 moons isn't going to be like in our universe, where we have to wait a long period of time for a full moon. In their universe, the moon appears when needed, no moon cycles along with the sun thus i say 30 moons just means 30 days.

[BalanceBrony 259]

I'd like to point out that Celestia doesn't say exactly 'its been a year' BUT it is heavily implied in the last few minutes when she is about to raise the sun, she wouldnt repeat herself every year saying 'it is no longer with a heavy heart but with great joy' and talk about Nightmare moon because that would be silly

Also, another thing that should be taken into consideration is in every episode the moon is shown, it has been a FULL MOON! since the sun/moon dont follow the solar and lunar cycles, due to them being raised and set by luna/celestia when needed, we can say that 30 moons isn't going to be like in our universe, where we have to wait a long period of time for a full moon. In their universe, the moon appears when needed, no moon cycles along with the sun thus i say 30 moons just means 30 days.

We should ignore the fact that the sisters raise the sun and moon, because Equus (the planet of Equestria) has seasons, which would not exist if the sun and moon went around the planet, as opposed to the planet around the sun, and the moon around the planet. Equus, for all-intensive purposes, acts as if it is in a heliocentric-model solar system. We need to simply write off inconsistencies as "magic." And 30 moons as 30 days doesnt work, because 30 moons is 3 years in our world, much more than 30 days. Also, we know 100 moons is at least 8 years, because we witness Apple Bloom's first Apple Family Reunion.

[LeeseyBoy 0]

We should ignore the fact that the sisters raise the sun and moon, because Equus (the planet of Equestria) has seasons, which would not exist if the sun and moon went around the planet, as opposed to the planet around the sun, and the moon around the planet. Equus, for all-intensive purposes, acts as if it is in a heliocentric-model solar system. We need to simply write off inconsistencies as "magic." And 30 moons as 30 days doesnt work, because 30 moons is 3 years in our world, much more than 30 days. Also, we know 100 moons is at least 8 years, because we witness Apple Bloom's first Apple Family Reunion.

A few things here. If we ignore the fact the sisters raise the sun/moon, then theres alot we can just ignore like the fact granny smith said '100 moons'. also, if we count appleblooms first reunion as the one that took place in ep1 s1 (applejack says in s1 e4 that this was a reunion) then that means its been 8 years since s1 e1 till s3 e8, and applebloom has aged 8 years, which clearly she hasn't, unless in s1 she was 2 xD we need to consider that season such as winter are there purely for entertainment purposes, everypony enjoys a bit of snow now and then seasons are cause by weather as well as solar/linear cycles, so its not only celestia/luna who decide winter/spring etc but also the Pegasus's at the weather factory. If we ignore anything, then that isnt a fair argument. the rising of the sun/moon by the sisters is a HUGE part in MLP, it's shown/mentioned in a LOT of episodes.

[BalanceBrony 259]

A few things here. If we ignore the fact the sisters raise the sun/moon, then theres alot we can just ignore like the fact granny smith said '100 moons'. also, if we count appleblooms first reunion as the one that took place in ep1 s1 (applejack says in s1 e4 that this was a reunion) then that means its been 8 years since s1 e1 till s3 e8, and applebloom has aged 8 years, which clearly she hasn't, unless in s1 she was 2 xD we need to consider that season such as winter are there purely for entertainment purposes, everypony enjoys a bit of snow now and then seasons are cause by weather as well as solar/linear cycles, so its not only celestia/luna who decide winter/spring etc but also the Pegasus's at the weather factory. If we ignore anything, then that isnt a fair argument. the rising of the sun/moon by the sisters is a HUGE part in MLP, it's shown/mentioned in a LOT of episodes.

The more we discuss this, the more MLP doesn't make sense chronologically. So I am sticking with my calculations which are based on a confirmed conversion factor of Susnet Shimmer spending 3 years in the human world for the 30 moons which passed in Equestria. And again, whether or not Equus is actually heliocentric is moot. It is just worth noting that it acts heliocentric in every way, aside from the tidbit about Celestia and Luna raising the Sun and Moon. Because it behaves like a heliocentric system, we can treat as such.

 

Regarding the weather, and I cover this in my full analysis, it should be noted that, before ponies learned to control the weather, Equestria had weather patterns and seasons of its own. The ponies just smooth out the transition between seasons.

[LeeseyBoy 0]

The more we discuss this, the more MLP doesn't make sense chronologically. So I am sticking with my calculations which are based on a confirmed conversion factor of Susnet Shimmer spending 3 years in the human world for the 30 moons which passed in Equestria. And again, whether or not Equus is actually heliocentric is moot. It is just worth noting that it acts heliocentric in every way, aside from the tidbit about Celestia and Luna raising the Sun and Moon. Because it behaves like a heliocentric system, we can treat as such.

 

Regarding the weather, and I cover this in my full analysis, it should be noted that, before ponies learned to control the weather, Equestria had weather patterns and seasons of its own. The ponies just smooth out the transition between seasons.

We also need to remember that it IS the sisters who decide when the moon and sun appear because of the story of Nightmare Moon being factual in their world. Luna wouldnt put down the moon, showing that she has FULL control over it, which is different to how are world works clearly. Also, it is Celestia who decides the seasons for that she does the Summer Sun Festival, where she decides when the sun rises to start summer EQG might be set in our world but it we can say that it can ALWAYS have a different cycle to that of Equestria. It is impossible to confirm as it IS made for children and this depth is not intended BUT it sounds more likely to be 100 days since the last reunion than it is to say 8 years considering apple bloom is the same age as she is in s1 e1 and s3 e8

[BalanceBrony 259]

We also need to remember that it IS the sisters who decide when the moon and sun appear because of the story of Nightmare Moon being factual in their world. Luna wouldnt put down the moon, showing that she has FULL control over it, which is different to how are world works clearly. Also, it is Celestia who decides the seasons for that she does the Summer Sun Festival, where she decides when the sun rises to start summer EQG might be set in our world but it we can say that it can ALWAYS have a different cycle to that of Equestria. It is impossible to confirm as it IS made for children and this depth is not intended BUT it sounds more likely to be 100 days since the last reunion than it is to say 8 years considering apple bloom is the same age as she is in s1 e1 and s3 e8

But then Discord planting the seeds thousands of moons ago, per Season 4 premiere, would only be a few years. And we know that Discord's reign was over a thousand years ago- hundreds of thousands of days. Also, 100 days? There would be more than one apple family reunion per year, but at the reunion immediately before the one in Apple Family Reunion (the full reunion, with ponies from all of Equestria), AJ was just a little filly. A moon is NOT a day. That much is certain.

[LeeseyBoy 0]

But then Discord planting the seeds thousands of moons ago, per Season 4 premiere, would only be a few years. And we know that Discord's reign was over a thousand years ago- hundreds of thousands of days. Also, 100 days? There would be more than one apple family reunion per year, but at the reunion immediately before the one in Apple Family Reunion (the full reunion, with ponies from all of Equestria), AJ was just a little filly. A moon is NOT a day. That much is certain.

The only thing i can think of that moons could mean, other than days, that still makes sense considering ages is weeks, that way it would consist with ages of characters and such. that way apple family reunion would be once every two-ish years. if it were months it would be 8.3 years, which doesn't help with the characters cause that would imply that pony ages are much longer than ours. as for discord, that story happened before nightmare moon, which was said to be '1000 years ago' from episode 1. the only reason i can think of discord saying 'thousands of months ago' is because the script writers are not thinking about things like this, and over looking it, like a lot of programs do. one minute moons could mean days, the next it means years. for all we know, moons could just mean 'really long time' but never be specified :/ and the reunion before the one in Apple Family Reunion IS NOT filly applejack, but IS episode one, cause applejack says herself in 'Applebuck season' when twilight ask 'what about all those relatives i met when i first came here' Applejack replies 'they were just here for the Apple Family Reunion', so a moon is NOT 8 years. if it was, then ponies age VERY well xD

[BalanceBrony 259]

The only thing i can think of that moons could mean, other than days, that still makes sense considering ages is weeks, that way it would consist with ages of characters and such. that way apple family reunion would be once every two-ish years. if it were months it would be 8.3 years, which doesn't help with the characters cause that would imply that pony ages are much longer than ours. as for discord, that story happened before nightmare moon, which was said to be '1000 years ago' from episode 1. the only reason i can think of discord saying 'thousands of months ago' is because the script writers are not thinking about things like this, and over looking it, like a lot of programs do. one minute moons could mean days, the next it means years. for all we know, moons could just mean 'really long time' but never be specified :/ and the reunion before the one in Apple Family Reunion IS NOT filly applejack, but IS episode one, cause applejack says herself in 'Applebuck season' when twilight ask 'what about all those relatives i met when i first came here' Applejack replies 'they were just here for the Apple Family Reunion', so a moon is NOT 8 years. if it was, then ponies age VERY well xD

I don't count the reunion in episode 1 because it is not the whole family. We need to remember, Ponyville was founded by the Apple family, so there would be a significant number of Apples in Ponyville alone. There could be a decently sized gathering on a regular basis. But a larger gathering, with every Apple in Equestria- that is simply not something that could logically happen as often as you are suggesting. And again, the one in season 3 is stated as Apple Bloom's first reunion, so it must be that the one in episode 1 didn't count for whatever reason, most likely because it is not the whole family.

 

And based on my calculations, it wouldn't be 8.3 years. It would be precisely 10 years. An Equestrian month is roughly 36 days.

 

As for moons being days, well, we can discount that straight off. The terms "day," "year," and "week" are mentioned numerous times on the show, but month is never used. Month is the only unit not covered, so it makes logical sense that the unknown unit- "moon" - would be the unit of measurement which we are missing- month.

 

And I never said a moon was 8 years. Given the math I worked out, 1 moon is 36.524 days, with 10 moons in a year, meaning the 100 moons would be 10 years- a reasonable statement if we are to ignore the apparent oversight of episode 1 on the part of the writers. Since we know Apple Bloom is around 8 years old per statements from the writers, it also makes sense that this would be Apple Bloom's first Reunion, as she would've been born 2 years after the previous one.

Edited November 25, 2013 by BalanceBrony

[LeeseyBoy 0]

I don't count the reunion in episode 1 because it is not the whole family. We need to remember, Ponyville was founded by the Apple family, so there would be a significant number of Apples in Ponyville alone. There could be a decently sized gathering on a regular basis. But a larger gathering, with every Apple in Equestria- that is simply not something that could logically happen as often as you are suggesting. And again, the one in season 3 is stated as Apple Bloom's first reunion, so it must be that the one in episode 1 didn't count for whatever reason, most likely because it is not the whole family.

 

And based on my calculations, it wouldn't be 8.3 years. It would be precisely 10 years. An Equestrian month is roughly 36 days.

 

As for moons being days, well, we can discount that straight off. The terms "day," "year," and "week" are mentioned numerous times on the show, but month is never used. Month is the only unit not covered, so it makes logical sense that the unknown unit- "moon" - would be the unit of measurement which we are missing- month.

 

And I never said a moon was 8 years. Given the math I worked out, 1 moon is 36.524 days, with 10 moons in a year, meaning the 100 moons would be 10 years- a reasonable statement if we are to ignore the apparent oversight of episode 1 on the part of the writers. Since we know Apple Bloom is around 8 years old per statements from the writers, it also makes sense that this would be Apple Bloom's first Reunion, as she would've been born 2 years after the previous one.

I'm not saying that every apple was in the first episode reunion, im saying that this was indeed a reunion, none the less. my family holds reunions once a year, but we dont have every single one xP but Granny Smith says the reunions every 100 moons BUT as for the whole family together, then i agree that it could have been yeeeeaaarsss since they all got together it is never revealed that this is apple blooms first reunion, and we can tell cause she appears in one of the pics for the reunion, but it could indeed be her first reunion with every member in it now, the pics may be miss leading, as there are hardly any of the picture infront of the barn, so i like to imagine granny smith skipped a few, otherwise there has never been a reunion with younger applejack/big mac, which we know there has been now, i agree the days in month may be bigger, but i dont agree that its been a number of years since episode 1, cause otherwise nopony has aged as the episodes go on, cause they all look fairly the same, especially the cmc. 

[BalanceBrony 259]

I'm not saying that every apple was in the first episode reunion, im saying that this was indeed a reunion, none the less. my family holds reunions once a year, but we dont have every single one xP but Granny Smith says the reunions every 100 moons BUT as for the whole family together, then i agree that it could have been yeeeeaaarsss since they all got together it is never revealed that this is apple blooms first reunion, and we can tell cause she appears in one of the pics for the reunion, but it could indeed be her first reunion with every member in it now, the pics may be miss leading, as there are hardly any of the picture infront of the barn, so i like to imagine granny smith skipped a few, otherwise there has never been a reunion with younger applejack/big mac, which we know there has been now, i agree the days in month may be bigger, but i dont agree that its been a number of years since episode 1, cause otherwise nopony has aged as the episodes go on, cause they all look fairly the same, especially the cmc. 

It was definitely not years before s 1 and s3. In fact, now its confirmed that it's less than a year between the two. The only explanation which holds to continuity AND to the mathematics (and the Equestria games arc gives merit to this) is that the episodes are not in chronological order.

[LeeseyBoy 0]

It was definitely not years before s 1 and s3. In fact, now its confirmed that it's less than a year between the two. The only explanation which holds to continuity AND to the mathematics (and the Equestria games arc gives merit to this) is that the episodes are not in chronological order.

I TOTALLY agree that the episode are not chronological :3 but i still believe that it has only been one year since s1 e1 to s4 e1, for what celestia said at the ssc and because i think it sounds pretty logical as for the 'moons' thing, i think it is an arguable subject and we could be here all day arguing about it, so i think maybe it's just an open thing where people can make their own judgements. for all we know, moons might mean fortnights  

[Declen 118]

because Equus (the planet of Equestria) has seasons,

You seem to forget about Winter Wrap Up and Run of the Leaves. For some reasons season change doesn't happen in Equestria as naturally as in our world.

And anyways. whether sun rotates around earth or earth around sun - is just a question of coordinate system.

If in geocentric system planet changes the angle between her rotation axis and lumenary orbit throughout a year - we get season changes. Or if the orbit of luminary is very excentric.

 

 

So I am sticking with my calculations which are based on a confirmed conversion factor of Susnet Shimmer spending 3 years in the human world for the 30 moons which passed in Equestria.

I've newer waqtched EG, so I can't get into details why it could be wrong (but is doesn't feel right already).

But of one thing I'm pretty sure: "Equestria Girls" is officially non-canon.

 

 

before ponies learned to control the weather, Equestria had weather patterns and seasons of its own.

And where do you know it from?

 

 

she does the Summer Sun Festival, where she decides when the sun rises to start summer

Too vague.

The Sommer Sun Celebration can as easily be the june solstice.

Edited November 26, 2013 by Declen

[Seaweed-Headed Dragon 359]

Well 1 moon is about a month on the lunar calendar so, I would say about 100 months, So....um I'm not sure how many months it's been. but that's how many moons it's been

[Declen 118]

 

 

But then Discord planting the seeds thousands of moons ago

He didn't say how many thousends it was. If, we assume that a moon is a week, then it would be 50 thousends.

[BalanceBrony 259]

He didn't say how many thousends it was. If, we assume that a moon is a week, then it would be 50 thousends.

Again, a "moon," being a week doesn't make sense. In Equestria, week, day, and year all exist as units of measuring time in Equestrian Reckoning. If a moon isn't a month, then a whole class of measuring time is missing from Equestrian reckoning. There are weeks, there are yearsx, and there are days, as proven on multiple occasions. And then there are "moons." It just makes sense that "moon" would be the missing unit of the month.

I TOTALLY agree that the episode are not chronological :3 but i still believe that it has only been one year since s1 e1 to s4 e1, for what celestia said at the ssc and because i think it sounds pretty logical as for the 'moons' thing, i think it is an arguable subject and we could be here all day arguing about it, so i think maybe it's just an open thing where people can make their own judgements. for all we know, moons might mean fortnights

I feel that you guys would understand my points if you had the whole picture. I have an in-depth analysis of this. Honestly, I feel like posting my whole blog post right here, explaining my full reasoning.

[Declen 118]

 

 

I don't count the reunion in episode 1 because it is not the whole family. We need to remember, Ponyville was founded by the Apple family, so there would be a significant number of Apples in Ponyville alone.

1. As Dr. House once sayd "Feel fre to exclude any simptomes that don't fit in your diagnosis".

2. The whole situation in "Aplejack season" and "Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000" accured exactly because there are no other Apples in Ponywille. Aplejack expicitly stated they all were from all over Equestria.

Again, a "moon," being a week doesn't make sense.

Yes it does. Then Aple famyly reunion occures every 2 years, not 10 years or 100 days.

And then we don't have to skip Reunion in the first episode (which is wrong) or assume that chronological order of episodes os totally fraked up (which is just crippy).

 

 

because i think it sounds pretty logical

There is no logic in there.