Christian bronies: meet, greet, and mingle!

[twilight24 322]

Very cool and sheek cx thank you all

[Steel Accord 6,660]

How accepting are the Christian bronnie of someone who's panxsexual, believes atheist go to heaven , and tries to follow her own path with Gods guidance? Any other people on here like that

 

Likewise to all of those things. You can quote scripture from here to Sunday, but if you don't act it, how can you say those are your beliefs? Likewise you could not believe a single word of the Bible, but if you act it, you're a better Christian than some.

 

God doesn't care about what you think, it's what you do that matters. Actions determine content of character.

[Sunwalker 981]

Shoboni posted a blog entry yesterday saying that he had lost his mom recently:

I Lost My Mom on Sunday.

 

Maybe you guys could go there and give him some words of encouragement

[Knight Hadron 372]

Here's a story for you guys:

 

A man was being tailgated by a stressed out woman on a busy boulevard. Suddenly, the light turned yellow, just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten The red light by accelerating through the intersection.

The tailgating woman was furious and honked her horn, screaming in frustration as she missed her chance to get through the intersection, dropping her cell phone and makeup.

As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up. He took her to the police station where she was searched, finger printed, photographed, and placed in a hold ing cell. After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.

He said, "I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you, and cussing a blue streak at him. I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School' bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk, Naturally... I assumed you had stolen the car."

 

 

If you are a true Christian, you should act like one.

[Sudo Krenton 243]

Ah, I used to be part of the Legion of Mary, but time commitments and schedules got in the way... haven't really re-visited the idea of doing it again, but it would be good.

Edited August 1, 2015 by Sudo Krenton

[simba86 1,541]

I am really trying to read the bible front to back and not skip! I am in leviticus now

[Sunwalker 981]

Hello! I was invited to this thread by a fellow brony!

 

I love Lord Jesus. I help and serve him, I pray to him every night. It's good to have a thread like these (cus other forums have religious issues) I go to Church every Sunday and Alter serve (helping the priest at church) I also do something called the legion of Mary where we pray to our mother Mary.

 

Hi and welcome! I am Catholic, but there are here Christians from many different denominations  .

 

I remember I was invited to take part of Legion of Mary several years ago, but this was when I was moving from my old city and I ended up not joining... More recently, people keep inviting me to take part of the youth group of my church, I am still not sure about why I have not joined it yet, it looks great. Anyways, on my church I help by being one of the people who controls the screen that shows the lyrics of the hymns. I consider this to be a trivial task, but it surprised me how many people came to me in order to show appreciation .

 

 

I am really trying to read the bible front to back and not skip! I am in leviticus now

That is a big task  , congratulations! Personally, I find it better a directed study, something not necessarily in the order it is on the Bible, but that helps to understand as the revelation and history of Salvation progressed. But each person is different, and everyone should find the method that works better for them

Edited August 1, 2015 by Sunwalker

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I am really trying to read the bible front to back and not skip! I am in leviticus now

 

Let us know if you are an atheist by the end. 

 

(Sarcasm) Apparently reading the whole Bible makes you one! 

[simba86 1,541]

Let us know if you are an atheist by the end. 

 

(Sarcasm) Apparently reading the whole Bible makes you one! 

 

my faith is pretty strong, i think i can handle it

[I used to be a stranger 7,993]

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[starshine wonder 79]

I've always enjoyed the genealogies, not least because a lot of the time, if you look into the names, there are chances you'll find a hidden gem in that there's also the fact that they are great tongue twisters!!  Well, sometimes anyway

Edited August 3, 2015 by starshine wonder

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I've always enjoyed the genealogies, not least because a lot of the time, if you look into the names, there are chances you'll find a hidden gem in that there's also the fact that they are great tongue twisters!!  Well, sometimes anyway

 

You . . . sure you are placing this post in the right thread?

[Knight Hadron 372]

Assume the Christian God is true, as described in the Bible.

 

Could someone give reasons why we should accept Jesus as Saviour? Here's my wacko train of thought: He's the only way to the Father. Why do we need the Father? We are all sinners, and we can't do any good without the Holy Spirit. Then 1) Why can athiests do "good" and 2) why does God's morality need to be followed? Maybe morals are absolute. What is the disadvantage to being "evil"? It could be argued that love will always help and better the state of humanity and humans. Very well. What's "evil" about homosexuality then, except God doesn't like it? Why should we always do what God wants? Because he'll throw us in Hell for loving a person of the same sex? Because what? Love trumps all. That is, everything but God's anger and random-seeming rules.

 

Sorry, I'm in rant mode right now. Don't assume that I really believe what I just said. I'm just having theological crisises right now. And spelling crisises.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

@@Knight Hadron,

 

I thought you were Christian already? 

[Sudo Krenton 243]

I think you may be confusing Christian morals to that of human morals. All humans are born with morals, and can do good. Christians obtain "extra" morals if you will.

 

With that being said, by deduction... everyone can do good, even atheists. 

 

 

 

Very well. What's "evil" about homosexuality then,

I'd suggest you look at the spoiler to see the Catholic reasoning as to why homosexuality is considered somewhat "evil." Being a homosexual, mind you, isn't. It's the sexual act that is more or less, considered such.

 

 

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
 

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

 

 

If you still have questions regarding this, after reading all of it. We'll go from there.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

Sorry, I'm in rant mode right now. Don't assume that I really believe what I just said. I'm just having theological crisises right now. And spelling crisises.

 

Well what brought about said crisis? 

[Knight Hadron 372]

@@Knight Hadron,

 

I thought you were Christian already? 

I am. Just cause I believe in something doesn't mean I have no doubts about the validity of it. I'm trying to prove to myself that my faith is true, and I'm having trouble.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I think you may be confusing Christian morals to that of human morals. All humans are born with morals, and can do good. Christians obtain "extra" morals if you will.

 

With that being said, by deduction... everyone can do good, even atheists. 

 

 

 

I'd suggest you look at the spoiler to see the Catholic reasoning as to why homosexuality is considered somewhat "evil." Being a homosexual, mind you, isn't. It's the sexual act that is more or less, considered such.

 

 

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

 

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

 

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

 

 

If you still have questions regarding this, after reading all of it. We'll go from there.

 

This particular Catholic has mixed feelings on that ruling. I agree with most of that but not all of it. In particular that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to express their romantic love the same way heterosexuals do seems very wrong.

I am. Just cause I believe in something doesn't mean I have no doubts about the validity of it. I'm trying to prove to myself that my faith is true, and I'm having trouble.

 

Doubt is good. One can't have faith if it's not tested.

 

In particular address to your question, yes Jesus is the way to God, but is the way to Jesus falling on your knees and proclaiming Him the Savior, or going out and living as He did?

 

My Dad once sagely asked me,

 

"Do you need to be Christian, to be like Christ?"

[Sudo Krenton 243]

This particular Catholic

Who is this person you speak of? You? Me? I would agree that I have mixed feelings as well, but it is what it is. 

 

Also, for you Catholics out there, this series is amazing for explaining some of the basics of why things are the way they are. I've referenced it a lot before, and it's really useful in my opinion. http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Early-Fathers-Three-Volume-Set/dp/0814610250

Edited August 3, 2015 by Sudo Krenton

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Who is this person you speak of? You? Me? I would agree that I have mixed feelings as well, but it is what it is. 

 

I was kind of indulging in a bit of third person speech there. Steel Accord apologizes for the confusion.

[Knight Hadron 372]

A: I think you may be confusing Christian morals to that of human morals. All humans are born with morals, and can do good. Christians obtain "extra" morals if you will.

 

With that being said, by deduction... everyone can do good, even atheists. 

 

 

B: Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.

Point A: Some morals are based outside of God? If all morals are based in God, then how can someone with a heart that is against God emulate Him in actions? In other words, you are either in or out of Christianity, and the outside is wholly wicked. If that is not true, then people outside Christianity have the chance to become perfectly righteous, because faith in God does not produce good works, but instead the two are separate? If people can do good works by themselves, then how is good works the evidence of faith? The whole idea of James chapter 1 and 2 gets thrown out the window if people can do good works by themselves.

 

Point B: That doesn't address my point. I asked something like this: If love truely is the thing that is most important, then why would God limit love based on sex? I can't see a reason against homosexuality except that God doesn't like it. You replied to that by saying why the Catholics believe that homosexuality is against what God wants.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

Point A: Some morals are based outside of God? If all morals are based in God, then how can someone with a heart that is against God emulate Him in actions? In other words, you are either in or out of Christianity, and the outside is wholly wicked. If that is not true, then people outside Christianity have the chance to become perfectly righteous, because faith in God does not produce good works, but instead the two are separate? If people can do good works by themselves, then how is good works the evidence of faith? The whole idea of James chapter 1 and 2 gets thrown out the window if people can do good works by themselves.

 

Simply put, people who are doing good works are doing Christian works, regardless of their belief. That's between them and God, but in terms of reducing suffering and creating peace, they are in line with what Jesus wanted of people.

[Sudo Krenton 243]

 

 

Some morals are based outside of God? If all morals are based in God, then how can someone with a heart that is against God emulate Him in actions

 

I stand corrected, I apologize. Yes, all morals are based on God via "We are made in the image and likeness of God." However, since we have a free will, we can do whatever we please. We don't have to follow God's rules or act like Him. We still have morals though.

 

 

 

In other words, you are either in or out of Christianity, and the outside is wholly wicked

 

You'd be correct in saying that this is not wholly true, as even the Pope himself has said that atheist can be "of a holier nature" than that of Christians. You don't have to be Christian to be worthy of Heaven. It's for God to decide. It'd be kinda a bummer if you led a completely good life to find out that you went to Hell, right?

 

how is good works the evidence of faith?

Faith without works is dead. More like, you have to put in the effort. You can't say "Yeah I believe in God" and then do nothing to prove it. 

 

 

 

If love truely is the thing that is most important, then why would God limit love based on sex?

I am not sure how to explain this, as society has messed things up considerably as to the true meaning of sex, so.. but I wish I knew how to answer this. 

[Sunwalker 981]

Could someone give reasons why we should accept Jesus as Saviour?

Because nobody is capable of saving himself, not even the most virtuous person you can think of is capable of it. To deserve Salvation it requires an infinite merit, which is not possible to attain by a limited human. Jesus is God and therefore has no limits, his sacrifice has an infinite value.

 

 

1) Why can athiests do "good"

People who are not Christian or who never heard about Christ can also be saved, if they live according to their conscience. Everyone has God's morals imprinted on their hearts. But even then, the Salvation happened through Christ.

 

 

2) why does God's morality need to be followed? Maybe morals are absolute. What is the disadvantage to being "evil"?

You can look at morals as a instruction manual for life, if you do not follow them there will be bad consequences for either you or other people. I am not talking about punishment, I am talking about the consequences of your own actions. If you try to use an electronic equipment in a way you are not supposed to, you might break it. Same goes for your life.

 

Note that God's morals are not supposed to say how you should live your life, just what you should not do. For example, when you are told to not steal, this isn't saying you which career path you must follow, but just that whatever you do you should do it honestly.

 

 

It could be argued that love will always help and better the state of humanity and humans. Very well. What's "evil" about homosexuality then, except God doesn't like it? Why should we always do what God wants? Because he'll throw us in Hell for loving a person of the same sex? Because what? Love trumps all.

Since this isn't supposed to be a debate thread, I will keep it short. I will only describe the point, instead of trying to make a case for it. Feeling homosexual tendencies is not a sin, but the sexual act is.

 

One of the purposes that God created sex was to give birth to life, and a homosexual sexual act breaks this purpose. A sexual act does not need to necessarily create new life, it only needs to be open to it.

 

The homosexual feeling is not a sin because feelings, by definition, cannot be one. In order to something to be considered sin, one of the conditions is the existence of an intent, but there is no intent when it come to just feeling something. A feeling is something that arises without intent on your part.

 

Related to this subject, I would like to add that everyone is a sinner in some form, and the list of sins that are considered worse than a homosexual act is very big. I would say (this is just my opinion, not official doctrine) that from all sins related to sex, the majority of them are worse than it. As far I know, the homosexual act is not by itself a mortal sin.

 

Anyone who dies unrepentantly in a state of mortal sin goes to Hell. Venial sins do not get people to Hell, but they still need to be purged in some form.

 

 

That is, everything but God's anger and random-seeming rules.

Anger is not necessarily a bad thing. Anger can be righteous if it is directed towards a bad action, instead of the person who commits the action. In this case anger can have two purposes: (1) making the person to notice the wrongness in their ways; or (2) protecting yourself or a third party from those actions. The anger of God is always righteous.

 

God's rules are not random, they exist to protect people. You might not always understand their reason at first, but this is one of the reasons why we have intelligence: so we can learn.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Sunwalker

[Knight Hadron 372]

A: Because nobody is capable of saving himself, not even the most virtuous person you can think of is capable of it. To deserve Salvation it requires an infinite merit, which is not possible to attain by a limited human. Jesus is God and therefore has no limits, his sacrifice has an infinite value.

 

 

B: People who are not Christian or who never heard about Christ can also be saved, if they live according to their conscience. Everyone has God's morals imprinted on their hearts. But even then, the Salvation happened through Christ.

 

 

C: You can look at morals as a instruction manual for life, if you do not follow them there will be bad consequences for either you or other people. I am not talking about punishment, I am talking about the consequences of your own actions. If you try to use an electronic equipment in a way you are not supposed to, you might break it. Same goes for your life.

I agree with A. Proof of B? I can't find the verse right now, but didn't the Bible say that you have to get to the Father through Jesus, and you can't do that unless you know who He is? For C, I understand. I was, however, talking about God's morals that don't seem to have an bad effect if they aren't followed.