Would you like to see the Mane 6 experience repercussions from the wedding in S4

[Wardaddy 470]

We all remember how Shining Armor told off Twilight in A Canterlot Wedding Part 1, and then her friends and Celestia abandoned her, right? Well, I was reading a fanfiction earlier about how Twi's bitterness provoked a dark magic within her, making her bitter towards the ponies responsible for her emotional scarring, as well as her parents and Cadance. This gave me a thought: would you bronies like to see Twilight and the gang experience emotional repercussions from the event, but mostly Twilight? Repercussions include guilt, fear of another attack on Twi's part, PTSD, and such. Anyway, would you like to see that happening in Season 4?

Edited July 15, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[tdtuesday1 11]

I would love to, that would sound like something to really get Season 4 going. Another thing I saw was Rarity catch the bouquet thrown by Cadence, and that means she's the next to marry, right? So I'd like to see something off that. Besides, we already know Twilight has Flash Sentry as a love interest. Why not Rarity?

[Enemy Stand 446]

I would love to, that would sound like something to really get Season 4 going. Another thing I saw was Rarity catch the bouquet thrown by Cadence, and that means she's the next to marry, right? So I'd like to see something off that. Besides, we already know Twilight has Flash Sentry as a love interest. Why not Rarity?

EQG is not show canon, so it's not confirmed Twi has him as a love interest. That being said, it would be nice to see some kind of reference to Rarity catching the bouquet, but I personally wouldn't like to see any of the mane 6 in a relationship on the show.

 

Now, about Twilight, she probably wouldn't turn on her friends so quickly, even with dark magic. That's not too bad of an idea, but it would take a lot more for Twilight to be consumed by dark magic.

[Ms Mercer 24]

We all remember how Shining Armor told off Twilight in A Canterlot Wedding Part 1, and then her friends and Celestia abandoned her, right? Well, I was reading a fanfiction earlier about how Twi's bitterness provoked a dark magic within her, making her bitter towards the ponies responsible for her emotional scarring, as well as her parents and Cadance. This gave me a thought: would you bronies like to see Twilight and the gang experience emotional repercussions from the event, but mostly Twilight? Repercussions include guilt, fear of another attack on Twi's part, PTSD, and such. Anyway, would you like to see that happening in Season 4?

 

That sounds like an interesting fanfiction, but it's so unlike Twilight to hold on to anger, especially for that long. I can't see it happening in the show, and I don't think that I want it to.

[Scootalove 10,689]

I would like to see Rarity thinking about the bouquet from the wedding, and start to have a very funny attachment to every bouquet that she sees. Also, she would start to feel a bit of jealousy when it comes to ponies with flowers.

[Wardaddy 470]

That sounds like an interesting fanfiction, but it's so unlike Twilight to hold on to anger, especially for that long. I can't see it happening in the show, and I don't think that I want it to.

As a matter of fact, I was going to write a fanfic based on this theory, but for the show the idea was for Twilight to have been carrying the scars deep in her heart from this event. Sure, she may have forgiven her friends, Shining Armor and Celestia for their mistakes, but I can't help but feel it was too easy. You remember as well as I do the expression of a shattered soul that was etched on Twi's face after Celly gave her the cold shoulder. Deep down, I had a feeling that this pain, this hurt that was inflicted on Twilight, it would hurt her for a long, long time. In fact, it would also hurt those who turned their backs on her as well. Life may have moved on, but the scars will always be there. Shining, the Mane 5 and Celestia all walked out on Twi for a perfectly logical reason, no doubt, but what Shining said to the sister that missed him and was looking forward to seeing him again, and after AJ and company, Celestia included, walked out on Twilight, it must've surely ripped her heart out. However, I suppose when you think about it, it probably shouldn't appear in the show. If Cadance were to find out......in fact, forget about Cadance. If Twilight started experiencing repercussions from the event, it would be bad for everypony, and that wouldn't look good on screen, so yeah. Anyways, it's an idea I had, and it'll be going into a fanfiction for certain.

EQG is not show canon, so it's not confirmed Twi has him as a love interest. That being said, it would be nice to see some kind of reference to Rarity catching the bouquet, but I personally wouldn't like to see any of the mane 6 in a relationship on the show.

 

Now, about Twilight, she probably wouldn't turn on her friends so quickly, even with dark magic. That's not too bad of an idea, but it would take a lot more for Twilight to be consumed by dark magic.

I didn't say anything about Twi being consumed by dark magic in the show. The pain and memories from the event would come back and bite her, Shining, Celestia and the Mane 5 in their flanks. What I intended was for Twilight to become mentally distraught after experiencing a fit of PTSD or something, becoming very distrustful of her friends, Shining Armor and Celestia, the two ponies she grew up with and the five whom she trusted dearly. For them to have just walked out on her, no defense or anything (not like they had reason to) it must've left Twi feeling emotionally scarred for Luna knows how long. But dark magic? No bucking way. That would be too much for me to watch, seeing Twilight getting slowly consumed by a darkness formed from her pain, her heartbreak.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[Enemy Stand 446]

 

I didn't say anything about Twi being consumed by dark magic in the show. The pain and memories from the event would come back and bite her, Shining, Celestia and the Mane 5 in their flanks. What I intended was for Twilight to become mentally distraught after experiencing a fit of PTSD or something, becoming very distrustful of her friends, Shining Armor and Celestia, the two ponies she grew up with and the five whom she trusted dearly. For them to have just walked out on her, no defense or anything (not like they had reason to) it must've left Twi feeling emotionally scarred for Luna knows how long. But dark magic? No bucking way. That would be too much for me to watch, seeing Twilight getting slowly consumed by a darkness formed from her pain, her heartbreak.

Sorry, I thought you meant the "Twi's bitterness provoked a dark magic within her" part literally, like as shown in Crystal Empire, she can use it. I thought you meant that the same kind of actual magic could be activated by negative emotions.

[Wardaddy 470]

Sorry, I thought you meant the "Twi's bitterness provoked a dark magic within her" part literally, like as shown in Crystal Empire, she can use it. I thought you meant that the same kind of actual magic could be activated by negative emotions.

Well, in the fanfiction that I read, a dark spirit known only as Doubt offered Twilight protection and hope, after the mental scarring she received, and she welcomed him into her soul, injecting herself with dark, powerful magic. She then went rogue, thinking herself abandoned by everyone she loved, and thus she thought herself a free pony, free from responsibility. From there, its a long story, but she still remained bitter towards those who abandoned her, infecting those who tried to console her with the same doubt that she welcomed into herself. In my theory, Twilight would just be too badly hurt to forgive Shining Armor, Celestia and the Mane 5, hurt to the point where the Elements of Harmony would become defunct because the bearers were not in harmony themselves. In my theory, neither pure dark magic nor Sombra's dark magic would play a part in Twilight's pain. The Twilight n my theory would just isolate herself from the world, too badly hurt by the betrayal to consider anypony to be trustworthy. See where I'm going with this?

[Dark Horn 430]

That's an interesting thought - and as you can see from my avatar, which is, by the way, a screenshot from The Crystal Empire, Part 2, Twilight knows how to use dark magic, and so does Princess Celestia.

 

That being said, Twilight is strong-willed, and the last to be Discorded. Even though, at some points, she goes into hormonal bouts of depression, I don't think she'd succumb to the allure of letting dark magic consume her that easily.

[Wardaddy 470]

That's an interesting thought - and as you can see from my avatar, which is, by the way, a screenshot from The Crystal Empire, Part 2, Twilight knows how to use dark magic, and so does Princess Celestia.

 

That being said, Twilight is strong-willed, and the last to be Discorded. Even though, at some points, she goes into hormonal bouts of depression, I don't think she'd succumb to the allure of letting dark magic consume her that easily.

As I said above, my theory did not intend for Twi to be consumed by dark magic. It only happened in a fanfic I read, which gave me the idea of starting this topic. I intended for Twilight to be so badly hurt that she isolates herself from the Mane 5, Shining Armor and Celestia. This leads to the dysfunction of the Elements of Harmony, as they can only be kept active when the bond between the six remains unbroken. I wish for no dark magic to play a part in the fall of Twilight Sparkle, that would be too much for me to take.

[Dark Horn 430]

So what you're saying is that you think it'd be interesting if Twilight's feelings were hurt badly enough to separate herself from the other five elements and go into seclusion? That would be interesting.

 

It was pretty bad, after all. I mean, Rainbow Dash, the Element of Loyalty, for Celestia's sake, turned against Twilight.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Dark Horn

[Sylentmana 271]

As long as it doesn't break from the show's themes and is implemented well, it could be excellent character development and continuity for Twilight.  Though, at this point, it may be a little late and might come across as ham-fisted.

[Planty 1,053]

I am almost certain it will most likely do with Twilight being a Alicorn and her friends helping her with that.

 

 

So what you're saying is that you think it'd be interesting if Twilight's feelings were hurt badly enough to separate herself from the other five elements and go into seclusion? That would be interesting.

 

It was pretty bad, after all. I mean, Rainbow Dash, the Element of Loyalty, for Celestia's sake, turned against Twilight.

 

I just can't see this happening again. The elements of harmony fixing everything is already quite cliché.

 

I don't think dark magic will overtake her either, I can understand why people think it would make a awesome storyline but I just don't see it. I don't think they would do that for fear that it would be a bit to dark for the show.

[Wardaddy 470]

So what you're saying is that you think it'd be interesting if Twilight's feelings were hurt badly enough to separate herself from the other five elements and go into seclusion? That would be interesting.

 

It was pretty bad, after all. I mean, Rainbow Dash, the Element of Loyalty, for Celestia's sake, turned against Twilight.

And it gets worse from there. Twi's brother shouted at her and left her alone, Fluttershy, the Element of Kindness, left her alone. Hell, even Twi's mentor Celestia left her alone. Can you imagine how hurt Twilight was after what Celestia said? Her brother, her friends, her mentor, the ponies she looked up to and loved, turned their backs on her. It would hurt Twilight enough to the point where, in a separate scenario, she wouldn't stay there. Maybe if Chrysalis hadn't imprisoned Twilight in the caves, she would've probably run away, feeling abandoned, unloved and betrayed. That, of course, would have certainly doomed Canterlot, and all who were in it at the time. I mean, the look on her face said it all. Her soul was shattered.

As long as it doesn't break from the show's themes and is implemented well, it could be excellent character development and continuity for Twilight.  Though, at this point, it may be a little late and might come across as ham-fisted.

Maybe, but when you think about it, it probably wouldn't come off so ham-fisted if it was pulled off right. Nopony really knows when PTSD will strike, but in Twi's case, there must surely be scars on her heart. In fact, something may happen in S4 (hopefully) where Twilight is reminded of that horrible event, and from there, things go down the drain. Ham-fisted or not, it would still make for great character development and continuity, like you said.

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

Not really, no. Considering that it happened over a season ago, I think that the timing is wrong for one thing. For another, everyone has apologized and Twilight seems to be entirely fine with that, considering that she herself was fooled as well. I also think that Twilight is aware that she was acting ridiculously overpossessive, bitter, and jealous, and was giving everyone plenty of reasons to doubt her. I think she's also aware of the fact that everybody, even her, makes mistakes, and that dwelling on something like this isn't worth her time. I think Twilight is bigger than that.

 

There are far better potential conflicts to use in future seasons in my opinion.

Edited July 16, 2013 by DashForever

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

Yeah it'd be interesting to see something like that, a la Tony Stark's issues in Iron Man 3. As long as they don't go to dark with it, and I think the wedding is too far in the past to have stuff like that happening only now.

 

What would be really mature and interesting is if the pony populace is shown to have grown somewhat paranoid after the changeling attack on their capital, because SOCIAL COMMENTARY.

Edited July 15, 2013 by CITRUS KING46

[Wardaddy 470]

Not really, no. Considering that it happened over a season ago, I think that the timing is wrong for one thing. For another, everyone has apologized and Twilight seems to be entirely fine with that, considering that she herself was fooled as well. I also think that Twilight is aware that she was acting ridiculously overpossessive, bitter, and jealous, and was giving everyone plenty of reasons to doubt her. I think she's also aware of the fact that everybody, even her, makes mistakes, and that dwelling on something like this isn't worth her time. I think Twilight is bigger than that.

 

There are far better potential conflicts to use in future seasons in my opinion.

You do lay out a good enough point, but it seems necessary to remind you just how badly Twi was hurt:(This is a gif for good measure  )

 

Look at her face, that is the face of a soul shattered by the pain of abandonment, horror, and remorse. Personally, I couldn't help but feel after that little fiasco, Twilight forgave them too easily. Ok yeah, it's been a whole season since then, but like I said before, post traumatic stress disorder is unpredictable. For all we know, there could be scars still on Twi's heart. Everypony she loved and looked up to had turned their backs on her that night, and even though it was for perfectly logical reason, it must've hurt Twilight something fierce. Obviously, if an episode were made about it, she'd overcome it well enough. But seriously, that face says it all.....she was really badly hurt that night

Yeah it'd be interesting to see something like that, a la Tony Stark's issues in Iron Man 3. As long as they don't go to dark with it, and I think the wedding is too far in the past to have stuff like that happening only now.

 

What would be really mature and interesting is if the pony populace is shown to have grown somewhat paranoid after the changeling attack on their capital, because SOCIAL COMMENTARY.

About the paranoia thing, I was getting to that. In fact, I can see it boiling down to another theory for a S4 curtain opener. A Changeling is caught spying on Celestia, and it starts a widespread bout of paranoia throughout Canterlot. By random chance, Twilight and friends are in Canterlot at the time, probably meeting with Shining Armor and Cadance, and when word gets out about the changeling spy, Twilight is reminded of the wedding, the attack, and even the night before the two former events happened, when she was ostracised for upsetting the impostor Cadance. Sure enough, the memories are so strong that it re-opens the mental scars in Twi's heart, and from there, the rest is up to you to imagine. That's all I can gather for now, I just feel that it could be expanded upon somehow.

Edited July 16, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[Capt. Snuggle Gruff 101]

Don't you think It's a bit to late for something like that to happen?  I mean it would be cool to see but I think that if they were going to do it it would have already happened.  Perhaps they could do an episode where she remembers all the bad times they've had (not just the wedding but others) and then maybe she could distance herself from them.  But it also seem like that would only be for an episode or two.

[Wardaddy 470]

Don't you think It's a bit to late for something like that to happen?  I mean it would be cool to see but I think that if they were going to do it it would have already happened.  Perhaps they could do an episode where she remembers all the bad times they've had (not just the wedding but others) and then maybe she could distance herself from them.  But it also seem like that would only be for an episode or two.

Ok seriously, how many times am I going to have to say this? Nopony truly understands when post traumatic stress disorder can happen. Look at the image of Sad Sparkle that I posted. Surely that face is enough to make you think this hurt her real bad! *sighs* I am so glad I put this theory into an alternate ending fanfic. 

[Capt. Snuggle Gruff 101]

Ok seriously, how many times am I going to have to say this? Nopony truly understands when post traumatic stress disorder can happen. Look at the image of Sad Sparkle that I posted. Surely that face is enough to make you think this hurt her real bad! *sighs* I am so glad I put this theory into an alternate ending fanfic. 

.............ok........I just thought that they may not go into a disorder considering the simplicity of the show.  Well actually its not simple at all, but to me it just seems like Twi is over it by now.  She seemed fine after it all happened because the others apologized and everything worked out fine.  Now of course as you said the effects stress disorder, I can't entirely understand.  Which I agree to the fact that I cannot understand it completely considering I have not studied the disorder, nor do I know anyone with it.  But I just thought that they may not do it.  Thats all.

[Wardaddy 470]

.............ok........I just thought that they may not go into a disorder considering the simplicity of the show.  Well actually its not simple at all, but to me it just seems like Twi is over it by now.  She seemed fine after it all happened because the others apologized and everything worked out fine.  Now of course as you said the effects stress disorder, I can't entirely understand.  Which I agree to the fact that I cannot understand it completely considering I have not studied the disorder, nor do I know anyone with it.  But I just thought that they may not do it.  Thats all.

Sorry for the outburst, you're the third brony (I think) who said its too late. As far as PTSD is concerned, nothings too late. Sure, it's not going to happen considering the nature of the show, but when you put things into a context, Twilight was quite badly hurt, and there must surely be mental scars on her heart. I mean, everyone she loved like........her face is quite literally the picture that says a thousand words.

[Capt. Snuggle Gruff 101]

Sorry for the outburst, you're the third brony (I think) who said its too late. As far as PTSD is concerned, nothings too late. Sure, it's not going to happen considering the nature of the show, but when you put things into a context, Twilight was quite badly hurt, and there must surely be mental scars on her heart. I mean, everyone she loved like........her face is quite literally the picture that says a thousand words.

Now that you mention it, you're right.  That would make an interesting idea as to see her start having the effects of the disorder.  Seeing as how she obsesses over things (as in Lesson Zero), she would most likely take it on and on for quit a long time.  Also with the whole the "You Are Now A Princess" thing would most likely take it's toll on her as well.  All of a sudden becoming a princess then having to rule over Ponyville would cause even more stress most likely.

[Wardaddy 470]

Now that you mention it, you're right.  That would make an interesting idea as to see her start having the effects of the disorder.  Seeing as how she obsesses over things (as in Lesson Zero), she would most likely take it on and on for quit a long time.  Also with the whole the "You Are Now A Princess" thing would most likely take it's toll on her as well.  All of a sudden becoming a princess then having to rule over Ponyville would cause even more stress most likely.

Precisely. Twilight already has pressure on her shoulders as a princess (the exact amount we won't know until S4 debuts). If something were to happen that reminded her of that night, it would probably wreck her to pieces mentally. And just think about the events that would follow. Cadance would be wanting answers, sooner or later the Ponyville or Canterlot public would find out, and its quite likely once all this happens, SA, Celestia and the Mane 5 would rapidly become the most disgraced ponies in Equestria since only Luna knows who and when! 

[Capt. Snuggle Gruff 101]

Precisely. Twilight already has pressure on her shoulders as a princess (the exact amount we won't know until S4 debuts). If something were to happen that reminded her of that night, it would probably wreck her to pieces mentally. And just think about the events that would follow. Cadance would be wanting answers, sooner or later the Ponyville or Canterlot public would find out, and its quite likely once all this happens, SA, Celestia and the Mane 5 would rapidly become the most disgraced ponies in Equestria since only Luna knows who and when! 

This would make a good fanfic.  But yeah your right, maybe perhaps Twi wouldn't even speak to Shining Armor (even though she really isn't mad at him).  Luna would be the only one to understand her at a certain level, which would be awesome cause I want more Luna.  Which makes me think an episode with Luna having a hard time due to her banishment would be good also.  But back to the topic, you are absolutely right.

[Wardaddy 470]

This would make a good fanfic.  But yeah your right, maybe perhaps Twi wouldn't even speak to Shining Armor (even though she really isn't mad at him).  Luna would be the only one to understand her at a certain level, which would be awesome cause I want more Luna.  Which makes me think an episode with Luna having a hard time due to her banishment would be good also.  But back to the topic, you are absolutely right.

This is simply fantastic. See now how well humanity works together when they're on the same page?

 

But back to the topic, indeed, only Luna would understand Twi's pain. Therefore it would make sense for Celestia to send her in as someone for Twi to talk to, as she holds no hostility to Luna in conjunction. Funnily enough, not even Luna experienced such harsh treatment from Celestia during the Nightmare Moon years. When she was freed by the EoH, Celestia clearly showed that she missed Luna, and showed no anger for Luna's misdeeds as Nightmare Moon.

 

Now, on a more serious note, Celestia, Shining Armor and the Mane 5 would be under a lot of scrutiny for their treatment of Twilight that night. Seeing as Twilight is Celestia's student, and also knowing that she saved Equestria thrice (counting the Changeling invasion) surely the populace of Canterlot (if not Ponyville as well) would've known about her. Celestia would probably be under the most scrutiny, seeing as she was Twilight's mentor, and yet she walked out on her. Shining Armor would be under enough scrutiny himself, as Twilight's brother and the Captain of the Guard. In fact, I can even see him getting heat from within the ranks of the Royal Guard as well. As for the Mane 5, they'd most likely be suffering the same amount of scrutiny as Shining Armor. Canterlot would've surely been familiar with them as Twilight's friends and the bearers of the Elements of Harmony, chosen specifically because they displayed the traits that the Elements represented, yet they were completely forgotten about the night Twilight's friends chose to ostracise her as well. All in all, it would be bad for all involved that night if this episode were to come true. Celestia's leadership as princess, SA's leadership as Captain of the Guard, and even the Mane 5's responsibilities for the EoH would all be thrown into question as they were all technically responsible for the security of Canterlot against what could be called a terrorist threat. The Canterlot public would be calling for Twilight to take over as Equestria's new leader and that would place even more pressure on her as well. Can you see how bad it would be for everypony if Twi started experiencing repercussions from the rehearsal? It would be awful, almost tragic.

Edited July 16, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz